Ditching in the field is now too sensitive.

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

I understand that it's unrealistic to skid for long, drawn out field landings like it was before the change was made but, I just had a flight where I ditched and touching the GRASS killed my pilot.  I was instantly thrown into the "you've been killed" external view with the plane continuing to fly on its own 100m more before it actually touched the dirt.  This is kind of disappointing, TBH.  

[PB0_Roll]

Agree

[SCG_motoadve]

Please show us a video, in my case I have had no trouble in forced landings unless too fast, hitting trees or turning the plane upside down which is fair to kill the pilot.

Forced landings now needs to be treated more seriously , flow at the right speed, be smooth on touch down, and choose the right place to put the plane down.

Here a couple of examples not super smooth terrain but survived.

 

 

 

[ITAF_Airone1989]

I had not problem touching ground at low speed: 180-170 km/h

Edited November 8, 2021 by ITAF_Airone1989

[PatrickAWlson]

1 hour ago, ITAF_Airone1989 said:

I had me problem touching ground at low speed: 180-170 km/h

 

What was your sink rate?  That is what really determines how hard you are hitting the ground.

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

1 hour ago, SCG_motoadve said:

Please show us a video, in my case I have had no trouble in forced landings unless too fast, hitting trees or turning the plane upside down which is fair to kill the pilot.

Forced landings now needs to be treated more seriously , flow at the right speed, be smooth on touch down, and choose the right place to put the plane down.

Here a couple of examples not super smooth terrain but survived.

 

 

 

 

I've done enough forced landings to not need a tutorial. Thanks though. 

 

Trust me, I know about making sure to watch the speed and decent rate to avoid "belly flopping", trying to keep the openings of under-belly radiators from digging straight into the ground on impact but, not angling back to the point that touching the ground slams the nose down and "flying through the crash" ie; using any still-effective control surfaces to keep the plane oriented as best as possible during the skid to a stop.

 

I don't have the money right now to buy a new hard drive and the ones I have are packed with things I don't want to delete so...  no video. sorry.  

If hitting the grass and not even the dirt kills the pilot, it should be reproducible.  You can always give it a try.  

 

Besides....  Aircraft carrier pilots are brought to much stronger and sudden stops at similar forward speeds and higher decent rates and don't get injured when landing compared to killer or seriously-injuring crashes we have in game. About the only difference is that the landing gear has very good shocks and it's done on a consistent surface. The sudden loss of forward momentum by arrester hook isn't affected much by either of those things.  

[ITAF_Airone1989]

24 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

What was your sink rate?  That is what really determines how hard you are hitting the ground.

Sorry, there was a typo.

"I had no problem"

[CUJO_1970]

Ugh, this reminds me of the old bug in the legacy game where you would explode into a million pieces if you even thought about a belly landing.

 

This can be especially frustrating when you are working hard to nurse a plane back to base for a long time, only to explode on touchdown. 

[PB0_Roll]

Sadly, it is fully inconsistent.

 

I survived a high speed vertical dive into the ground in a spitXIV, and died instantly trying to crashland a P-39 with low vertical speed.

[Denum]

Gotta hit slow. I used to force land at full speed and live.

 

If I'm careful I can do it.

 

I feel it needs to be a little less sensitive but what we had before wasn't too realistic.

[Robli]

Maybe some kind of randomness has been built into it now or these indeed is some kind of bug in some circumstances. 

I, too, happened to die on a well-controlled crash landing a couple of days ago, while my plane remained intact. In most of the cases there are no problems, though.

[[CPT]Crunch]

I've killed the pilot by striking the wing against tree's and buildings without breaking the wing off or even immediatly crashing, something a little to sensitive going on there when that's happening.

[Props]

I noticed this right away with the last update. Before I was seldom injured and survived all my ditchings, now it definitely is a deadly endeavor. I have taken to making all my deadstick landings with wheels and flaps down, treating each one as a rough field practice and that has worked out fine with no deaths. Haven't even flipped the plane (yet;-). I ran into some trees strafing the other day and my crate did a good bit of tumbling losing the empennage, port wing, etc. ending up on it's back yet I survived and it was called a "forced landing" in the mission debrief as compared to the almost always fatal normal smooth ditch. I've also made some harder than usual tarmac landings with a bounce or two in damaged AC with no death incurred, but belly landings are definitely deadly.

Edited December 12, 2021 by Props
Spelling, extra note

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

Recalling from Clostermann's book The Great Circus that belly landing a Tempest resulted in many cases in a fire killing the pilot. That big radiator dug itself to ground and the high octane fuel did the rest. He bailed from his Tempest rather than belly landed it due these crashes. 

 

From some sources read that P-39 due it's flat belly without portrusions and sturdy airframe could save the pilot in crash landings. 

 

In games they range from Grass of Death to almst indestructible no worries landings. 

[Talisman]

17 hours ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

S! 

 

Recalling from Clostermann's book The Great Circus that belly landing a Tempest resulted in many cases in a fire killing the pilot. That big radiator dug itself to ground and the high octane fuel did the rest. He bailed from his Tempest rather than belly landed it due these crashes. 

 

From some sources read that P-39 due it's flat belly without portrusions and sturdy airframe could save the pilot in crash landings. 

 

In games they range from Grass of Death to almst indestructible no worries landings. 

 

Typhoon, but same difference  same big radiator.  Please find link to film below:

609 Squadron Hawker Typhoon MK1b R7845 PRH Roy Payne Force Landing 30 October 1942 RAF Biggin Hill - YouTube

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

He was Lucky Still valid what Clostermann wrote witnessing Tempests emergency landing with fatal results. Sure there were propably more succesfull ones too, but at least Clostermann decided to bail from his plane rather than try to land it wheels up. 

[SYN_Ricky]

13 minutes ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

S! 

 

He was Lucky Still valid what Clostermann wrote witnessing Tempests emergency landing with fatal results. Sure there were propably more succesfull ones too, but at least Clostermann decided to bail from his plane rather than try to land it wheels up. 

But still later on he crash landed one and survived, with the images of the fatal crash of one of his pilots in his mind as he put his Tempest down. IIRC the firemen team had covered the landing strip in foam 

[Knarley-Bob]

If over 'friendly' territory, I've started just bailing. No one is going to chew you out for trashing the plane anyway. Beats getting killed for a 'light' belly landing.

[ITAF_Gerry_Lil_Rocket]

Just happened....trying to land in a badly damaged 190 (no pilot injuries) at the right speed (180kmh) just a notch of flap and landing gear down....going for a 2 points landing to reduce Vz and istantly at ground contact the pilot deceased......so annoying ?. previous ditching model needed some corrections but now imho it's far beyond an acceptable realism

Edited December 11, 2021 by ITAF_Gerry_Lil_Rocket

[PB0_Roll]

Again, agree. Condolences for the loss of your avatar.

Edited December 11, 2021 by PB0_Roll

[Denum]

13 hours ago, ITAF_Gerry_Lil_Rocket said:

Just happened....trying to land in a badly damaged 190 (no pilot injuries) at the right speed (180kmh) just a notch of flap and landing gear down....going for a 2 points landing to reduce Vz and istantly at ground contact the pilot deceased......so annoying ?. previous ditching model needed some corrections but now imho it's far beyond an acceptable realism

Had the same. 

 

Heavily damaged Spitfire. Two point landing. Killed my pilot. Landing gear was in once piece. Definitely a RyanAir level of hard but I was surprised I died.

[ITAF_Gerry_Lil_Rocket]

14 hours ago, PB0_Roll said:

Again, agree. Condolences for the loss of your avatar.

Don't worry my avatar is used to die.....much more than I could like it?

 

4 hours ago, Denum said:

Had the same. 

 

Heavily damaged Spitfire. Two point landing. Killed my pilot. Landing gear was in once piece. Definitely a RyanAir level of hard but I was surprised I died.

"Ryanair level of hard" it's a definition that I never heard but definitely gets the idea??

At this point I've to reconsider the bailout option though....

[SAG]

I died three days ago via a hard landing in a Pe2, the plane was intact, no landing gear damage, it even stopped by itself, My pilot died though

[Charlo-VR]

2 hours ago, SAG said:

I died three days ago via a hard landing in a Pe2, the plane was intact, no landing gear damage, it even stopped by itself, My pilot died though

Exact same thing happened to me landing a Pe2 resupply on the Finnish server about three days ago. Very frustrating, and I agree with the OP of this thread.

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

I also have recently died online after a very soft crash landing that didn't even break or bend the wings. Had the flaps down in a Spit IX and gently touched down around 60 mph and was insta-killed after bagging two kills on FvP which killed my stats for that sortie and was very frustrating after a tough dogfight that ended victoriously. This needs looking into because crash landing physics were the best part of BoX before this "update."

[Denum]

Died again on a nice landing.

 

I'm curious if this is bugged? 

 

It instant killed several of us trying to land at a objective on the grass also.

 

They weren't gentle landings but they were far from hard.

Edited December 19, 2021 by Denum

[THERION]

Maybe it is related to the option "terrain roughness". I realized that when option is set to "low", survivability is more

probable, than with other settings.

[LukeFF]

6 minutes ago, THERION said:

Maybe it is related to the option "terrain roughness". I realized that when option is set to "low", survivability is more

probable, than with other settings.

 

Nope, that's a graphics setting.

Edited December 19, 2021 by LukeFF

[Knarley-Bob]

Made a 'hard' landing on the runway, wheels down, they stayed on the plane. I was toast.

[LukeFF]

11 minutes ago, Knarley-Bob said:

Made a 'hard' landing on the runway, wheels down, they stayed on the plane. I was toast.

 

Track files ..

[Enceladus828]

Was just flying a Pe-2 and had to make a forced landing in a big open field. Even with flaps extended and belly landing at just over 200 km/h, the belly landing killed everyone onboard despite the landing be quite gentle and the only thing damaged by the force landing were the propellers... obviously.

[JG27_MajorKablooie]

This "update" needs to be reverted asap. The level of "competence" approving it was beyond legendary. Maybe focus on fixing things instead of breaking them, starting small like binding the esc button to the joystick, perhaps? rant over  

[jdoe33]

Yep can agree. Managed to have some hard belly (and wheel!) landings in this new system where i didn't take any pilot damage. And THEN i had softer belly/wheel landings that instantly killed a pilot while the aicraft was standing without major structural damage on its wheels or the softest of touchdowns possible. 

As it is now the system is PURE RNG and there is no logic behind it. It treats the pilots as if you weren't wearing seatbelts sometimes or the seatbelts being torn out of the airframe structure (lol) every time you die. This needs big adjustment. 

After doing some more personal testing i can tell that the main culprit is your airspeed. The difference 30kph seem to make between dead and 0 injuries is too small. Anything above 200kph will almost definitely heavily injure or kill the pilot while 180kph is safe even if you let the plane fall 3-4m while youre reducing speed, the impact force does barely seem to have any influence unless you literally let the plane sack from tree top height.

However that being said there is still HUGE inconsistency, i've managed to survive with 0 pilot damage hitting the wing into the ground first at 300kph and dying at 210kph rushed belly landing. 

Edited December 25, 2021 by jdoe33

[CUJO_1970]

Just to join in here again - it's a real problem now that will hopefully be fixed soon. Made a nice textbook dead stick in an open field with the 109 yesterday - instant death. Very frustrating and a big immersion killer.

 

Has anyone prepared a bug report for developers - or, are they aware of this?

[Matt-357]

On 12/19/2021 at 12:18 PM, LukeFF said:

 

Nope, that's a graphics setting.

 

In the developers Blog they indicate terrain roughness affects aircraft. I think the setting does more than affect graphics. Sounds like if you don't use ground vehicles you should put terrain roughness on low/off.

 

"Another of the many questions we got recently after showing the video of the new terrain effect on the vehicles, is how the new detailed terrain roughness will affect the aircraft outside the prepared airfields when making an emergency landing for instance or taking off from a field (which is an even more difficult task naturally)."

[LukeFF]

40 minutes ago, Matt-357 said:

 

In the developers Blog they indicate terrain roughness affects aircraft. I think the setting does more than affect graphics. Sounds like if you don't use ground vehicles you should put terrain roughness on low/off.

 

"Another of the many questions we got recently after showing the video of the new terrain effect on the vehicles, is how the new detailed terrain roughness will affect the aircraft outside the prepared airfields when making an emergency landing for instance or taking off from a field (which is an even more difficult task naturally)."

 

The physical roughness of the terrain is the same regardless of the graphics setting chosen. 

[SCG_motoadve]

Ditching has become scary, like it is in real life, and where you put the plane has become the difference between life and death kind of like IRL, if you ditch very slow and make a smooth touch down your survival chances increase a lot, even in no so smooth terrain,  if you are over rough terrain or trees , its definitely less forgiving, also like in real life.

Done lots ditching with no problems, but have not had those events when pilot dies with no reason after a smooth landing and a very small bump into something, if that is the case , just needs some fine tuning.

 

I prefer how it is now to what it was before for sure, we used to have 100% survival chance at every ditch, extremely unrealistic.

 

 

Edited December 25, 2021 by SCG_motoadve

[No_Face]

@SCG_motoadve
The landing of your tempest looks fast but with a rather low vertical speed (so it is normal that your pilot does not die), on the other hand, the landing of your BF 109 seems more brutal than the one of my stuka :

 

 

If you look carefully, I hit the ground at about 7m/s of vertical speed, which is, finally, quite violent but your bf seemed to go down even faster, right?

Edited December 25, 2021 by No_Face

[SCG_motoadve]

25 minutes ago, No_Face said:

@SCG_motoadve
The landing of your tempest looks fast but with a rather low vertical speed (so it is normal that your pilot does not die), on the other hand, the landing of your BF 109 seems more brutal than the one of my stuka :

 

 

If you look carefully, I hit the ground at about 7m/s of vertical speed, which is, finally, quite violent but your bf seemed to go down even faster, right?

The very last moment of your ditching the plane looks like it drops from under you, like stalling or no pulling the stick and increasing the vertical speed just before hitting the ground, on the ditching with my 109 the vertical speed is lower, the forward speed higher, but since there is no abrupt stop pilot survives.

Edited December 25, 2021 by SCG_motoadve

[LukeFF]

Do recall that the pilot of the famous Atukan Zero was killed on impact with the ground, even though the plane was essentially still intact. Rapid deceleration injuries are no joke and often have deadly consequences.

 

Edited December 25, 2021 by LukeFF