Whats wrong with public MP?

[SharpeXB]

2 hours ago, SCG_Tzigy said:

Also, it literally takes like 10 min to set up, including reading the instructions.

I’ll stop complaining and install it ?

It does have a page of instruction to scroll through which is discouraging. I have it installed for DCS and that took a while to bit the bullet and do. Again… it’s 20 minutes you could spend gaming instead. 

[Gambit21]

2 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

I’ll stop complaining and install it ?

It does have a page of instruction to scroll through which is discouraging. I have it installed for DCS and that took a while to bit the bullet and do. Again… it’s 20 minutes you could spend gaming instead. 

 

Yikes - how will you ever recover that 20 minutes?

 

A WHOLE page?  How will you manage? ? 

[Raven109]

9 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

I’ll stop complaining and install it ?

It does have a page of instruction to scroll through which is discouraging. I have it installed for DCS and that took a while to bit the bullet and do. Again… it’s 20 minutes you could spend gaming instead. 

 

The page is so long because it includes server side settings as well. Your concern is with the client settings only. 

 

Just install it, point it to your game folder, set the server IP/host name, change the Il2 config as described, set buttons as needed for push to talk. Once you join the server in-game it will automatically connect. If you have this setting on, it will prompt you to connect, before doing so:

 

 

By the way, I'm not saying SRS is better than other tools. It's just a tool we use to communicate. However, the process to set it up is not as hard as it may seem.  Ultimately, the issue is that people aren't communicating, rather than the tools. 

[Gambit21]

MP will never get back to where it was without a Hyperlobby type gathering place.

 

Voice comms are an excellent compliment to this, but on their own  will never fully  provide what we need.

 

 

[Eclipse4349]

On 10/27/2021 at 10:08 PM, Flugkuchen said:

 

Yes voice chat, why is there no voice chat in IL-2?

 

Not really, the game mode means dogfight meanwhile its tvt and coop based, if you dont play or support ground attacker or bomber your team loose the mision, it's just funny that 50% of the server pop just dont care and ruin the game experience for others wich are interested in winning the mission, i think there should be a true dogfight mission/servers wich only focusing on fighter dogfight gameplay and the current mission/servers wich focusing on tvt and coop gameplay, the current state of IL-2 public MP is not fun and kind of broken.

There are servers that run nothing but true dogfight scenarios, and other servers that are nothing but team vs team campaign-style missions, and other servers that have AI added to the mix.  All the options exist, but they all fall under the somewhat misleading "dogfight" option in the multiplayer menu.  I suggest you try a different servers and see what missions they are running and where you might want to play. 

 

If the server has a Discord mentioned, I suggest joining it if you like the server/mission.  There are a number of other good Discord channels, too, and all the ones I am on have a "looking for a wingman" type of section.  Flying with others makes a huge difference, for sure.  

 

I also recommend checking out some of the organized events if you're able.  They are posted on the different Discords.  I have participated in the Friday Night Flights on the Combat Box server a handful of times, and it was always a good time.  

[SCG_Tzigy]

2 hours ago, Raven109 said:

By the way, I'm not saying SRS is better than other tools. It's just a tool we use to communicate. However, the process to set it up is not as hard as it may seem.  Ultimately, the issue is that people aren't communicating, rather than the tools. 

 

Oh, once u see what can be done w it - see, actually, HEAR the AI in CBox , you will wish for it to be implemented like that on every server! 

 

Just in case you couldn't tell already, I am a huge fan of the additional immersion it helps to create...

 

[Raven109]

12 minutes ago, SCG_Tzigy said:

 

Oh, once u see what can be done w it - see, actually, HEAR the AI in CBox , you will wish for it to be implemented like that on every server! 

 

Just in case you couldn't tell already, I am a huge fan of the additional immersion it helps to create...

 

 

No, I get that, I also like the immersion it offers with the sound fx and all. However, in the context of this thread, imo it's not the tools that we're missing, it's just that we might be having lots of tools, but none seem to encourage team play. Sure, you could join a squad, but what happens to the new guy who joins a server and just wants to have fun on a Friday evening. Should he just join an organized squad (e.g. ACG, BlitzPigs, etc) and endure the overhead that comes with that, or should he have just an easier means to get together with other like-minded people and just fly.

 

The process of finding a wingman and playing as a team should not be a complex one, is all I'm saying.

Edited October 29, 2021 by Raven109

[NanashiAnjin]

My delicate little soul finds online a harsh world, people are quickly rude.

 

I've seen someone ask if they would rather voice comm, but he was told to mind his own *** business...

 

When I sometimes asked stupid questions and just couldnt understand, I was asked if i was trolling. Okay maybe that one was on me, but honestly I just didnt get it.

 

I also notice, the greed with most pilots, people mostly fly very selfish, even without comms there could be decent team work, but... thats a bit lacking.

 

The other day, I had a secure kill until a top 3 fighter pilot on finnish server, came in to try steal the kill, ramming me with his wingtip killing my pilot... while he kept shooting the target. (I was chasing the target for over a minute before someone else started shooting him)

 

I failed to get the kill in the end... such a waste, such aggression.

 

The need for greed. In the end, I start to feel I have to play like that too, not trying to save teammates because often it only gets me killed.

But I refuse, I do want to focus on helping others, and try to work as much with others as I can, but its very difficult, I start to fear Teammates more than enemy at this point.(when I see many allied planes around me, I always get a false sense of safety, of them covering my 6, but suddenly the 6 Allied planes transformed into 6 Fw190s on my tail. (the allies must have been all chasing a lone plane down to the deck as I see often happening))

 

I am super grateful for the occasional callout of "6" that saved my life multiple Times, thank you! So once a while it does happen!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by NanashiAnjin

[ITAF_Airone1989]

8 minutes ago, NanashiAnjin said:

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Yeah, sometime people here can be really rude and unfriendly.
On the other hand, I can tell you that I have met a lot of fantastic people ready to help you with the game, the history, the mission building and everything it's related to this game

[NanashiAnjin]

For sure i cant disagree!

 

On the other hand, when i read about the aces from pacific, it was a tough world too, Bong and Mcquire really were no social wizards...

So i guess it fits the reenactment.

[BluesmanSF]

6 hours ago, NanashiAnjin said:

My delicate little soul finds online a harsh world, people are quickly rude.

 

I've seen someone ask if they would rather voice comm, but he was told to mind his own *** business...

 

When I sometimes asked stupid questions and just couldnt understand, I was asked if i was trolling. Okay maybe that one was on me, but honestly I just didnt get it.

 

I also notice, the greed with most pilots, people mostly fly very selfish, even without comms there could be decent team work, but... thats a bit lacking.

 

The other day, I had a secure kill until a top 3 fighter pilot on finnish server, came in to try steal the kill, ramming me with his wingtip killing my pilot... while he kept shooting the target. (I was chasing the target for over a minute before someone else started shooting him)

 

I failed to get the kill in the end... such a waste, such aggression.

 

The need for greed. In the end, I start to feel I have to play like that too, not trying to save teammates because often it only gets me killed.

But I refuse, I do want to focus on helping others, and try to work as much with others as I can, but its very difficult, I start to fear Teammates more than enemy at this point.(when I see many allied planes around me, I always get a false sense of safety, of them covering my 6, but suddenly the 6 Allied planes transformed into 6 Fw190s on my tail. (the allies must have been all chasing a lone plane down to the deck as I see often happening))

 

I am super grateful for the occasional callout of "6" that saved my life multiple Times, thank you! So once a while it does happen!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Be it any game, sim or whatever, I’ll always steer clear of those selfish statpadders. 
 

You are staying strong not to surrender to such behaviour, and I am sure sooner than later it will be noticed, at least if you try and reach fellow like-minded pilots.

 

Teamwork, helping others and having fun is to me, always the most important thing. We had a fantastic squadron way back when, devoted to such principles. I hope they are all doing fine.

[[DBS]TH0R]

I'll just add my "2 cents" here: for the time spent setting up SRS and learning how it works, I've spent far longer in setting up my Track IR over the years before getting the profile I now use and is best suited to my setup. SRS OTOH took nearly 10 minutes and is kind of "set up and forget about it".

 

I too wish more people used it. When used in combination with Discord, it allows for between channel communication (so called "whispers"), the only feature Discord is missing from Teamspeak IMHO.

[SCG_Tzigy]

6 hours ago, NanashiAnjin said:

I've seen someone ask if they would rather voice comm, but he was told to mind his own *** business...

 

When I sometimes asked stupid questions and just couldnt understand, I was asked if i was trolling. Okay maybe that one was on me, but honestly I just didnt get it.

i think i was there, 2

 

yeah i think that was Krup and Scharfi, they go waaay back, fly and kill together, chat only. some people really prefer that and that is ok. still did not need to be rude about it.. btw i have no idea how they type so fast and how they manage in the middle of DF..

 

don't stop asking questions, someone will usually help, and in the end, you will find there is probably more of those people then the ones that would call you a noob and tell you to go search the forum...

[Raven109]

7 hours ago, NanashiAnjin said:

My delicate little soul finds online a harsh world, people are quickly rude.

 

I would say that it's just some people who are quickly rude, and I would so much as venture and say that they are a small minority. And I think that the lack of voice comms plays a big part on this type of behavior. When people start talking there is much less room for miscommunication and misunderstandings, unlike written chat, where the voice and the intonation are not present, and everything is much more impersonal.

 

There are lots of people (total strangers) who talk and are helpful if asked - speaking from personal experience here. 

[Thad]

On 10/27/2021 at 10:08 PM, Flugkuchen said:

 

Yes voice chat, why is there no voice chat in IL-2?

 

Not really, the game mode means dogfight meanwhile its tvt and coop based, if you dont play or support ground attacker or bomber your team loose the mision, it's just funny that 50% of the server pop just dont care and ruin the game experience for others wich are interested in winning the mission, i think there should be a true dogfight mission/servers wich only focusing on fighter dogfight gameplay and the current mission/servers wich focusing on tvt and coop gameplay, the current state of IL-2 public MP is not fun and kind of broken.

 

I agree.... why don't you start and run such a server for all of us. Thanks in advance.

[NanashiAnjin]

3 hours ago, SCG_Tzigy said:

Don't stop asking questions, someone will usually help, and in the end, you will find there is probably more of those people then the ones that would call you a noob and tell you to go search the forum...

 

It was with Diggun, he actually did help, and someone else gave me good information too. But Diggun got annoyed, and got killed because he was trying to explain. He said, read above (the spitfire fuel gauge) but i interpret it read above in chat, so i kept scrollinh and was like what? I was in Vr so I couldnt clearly read what was said above the fuel Guage... So yea felt bad in the end. 

 

 

Also once on berloga i noticed way too mamy german players (i was playing axis myself) So i said there were too many germans, dogefighter said there were too many weebs too :( xD

Delicate soul hurt... 

Edited November 1, 2021 by NanashiAnjin

[MeoW.Scharfi]

23 hours ago, SCG_Tzigy said:

i think i was there, 2

 

yeah i think that was Krup and Scharfi, they go waaay back, fly and kill together, chat only. some people really prefer that and that is ok. still did not need to be rude about it.. btw i have no idea how they type so fast and how they manage in the middle of DF..

 

don't stop asking questions, someone will usually help, and in the end, you will find there is probably more of those people then the ones that would call you a noob and tell you to go search the forum...

 

I am sorry but those questions are usually asked by ppl who get triggered by the amount of Chat + they are asked in a way that is ruder as well.

[purK]

On 11/1/2021 at 7:53 AM, NanashiAnjin said:

My delicate little soul finds online a harsh world, people are quickly rude.

 

I've seen someone ask if they would rather voice comm, but he was told to mind his own *** business...

All we said was mind your own business, no harsh words were used as you make it seem. We get asked the same question repeatedly, often times from those who are rude to us or doing it just to troll. It gets rather annoying after so many times.

[NanashiAnjin]

Yea, no worries, than this case was less rude as I can remember, I do see some rude comments from time to time, ofcourse they could be sarcastic as people might know each other too. 

 

I didnt mean to specific point out this moment nor point fingers to anyone, it was just one I noticed recently. 

So I just used it as an example of people being rude. 

 

As scharfi pointed out, it was actually the other being rude in this case. 

 

I actually enjoyed you 2 as one of the few trying to teamplay the other day. So thank you. 

 

I was very annoyed at the overal teamplay that day, maybe i was rude too. 

[Rapierarch]

On 10/29/2021 at 5:20 PM, ShamrockOneFive said:

I do have to ask how much setup time folks are actually experiencing with SRS.

 

I set mine up in less than 5 minutes and I haven't touched the setup since. So... 10 minutes grand total for both DCS and IL-2 versions. It's not that complex as I understood it but I fully recognize that I'm not everyone and others mileage may vary. Is this really a problem or is it perceived to a be a problem and that's why folks are not going down the route? Would a simple install guide help or some other resource?

 

To some degree we, everyone, have to take responsibility for being organized and flying as a team. If everyone says that they want to fly as a team but aren't... that's on us (in a general sense).

 

I do not think the installation is the main issue but the integration with the game is the problem or at least for me. Let me explain:

 

In DCS all planes I use are jets. And they have radios. Radio communication is crucial for that era. DCS version of SRS integrates with the radio module of the plane and it becomes a part of the comm system. For VR players just flip switches and set the channel etc etc..

 

In Il-2 our cockpits are not clickable, more over not all of our planes have radios. German planes yes, western planes yes but it was a luxury for soviet planes to have radios. Their pilots loved the P-39 because it had radio. Also their tanks did not have it. That was one of the big reasons for clear german victory in for the first half of the war. I simply would not like to speak and coordinate with someone in a soviet plane or while flying the flying circus. It kills the immersion there. 

 

I'm maybe over-exaggerating and may be to emotional about flying. But this is my point. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

57 minutes ago, Rapierarch said:

 

I do not think the installation is the main issue but the integration with the game is the problem or at least for me. Let me explain:

 

In DCS all planes I use are jets. And they have radios. Radio communication is crucial for that era. DCS version of SRS integrates with the radio module of the plane and it becomes a part of the comm system. For VR players just flip switches and set the channel etc etc..

 

In Il-2 our cockpits are not clickable, more over not all of our planes have radios. German planes yes, western planes yes but it was a luxury for soviet planes to have radios. Their pilots loved the P-39 because it had radio. Also their tanks did not have it. That was one of the big reasons for clear german victory in for the first half of the war. I simply would not like to speak and coordinate with someone in a soviet plane or while flying the flying circus. It kills the immersion there. 

 

I'm maybe over-exaggerating and may be to emotional about flying. But this is my point. 

 

I understand the desire for historical authenticity. I definitely get it. But there's also an artifice to this whole flight simming thing. There are certain comforts, luxuries, and basic things that we are not going to experience that they did and it runs the range from having or not having reliable radio communications down to carbon monoxide leaks in the cockpit to poor quality glass that weathered in a matter of weeks (a good reason why many Soviet pilots ran with cockpits open was because visibility was poor), to... death.

 

So, for a good multiplayer experience that folks are saying they want. I think it may be wise to not draw the line on this particular point. But to each is own.

[[DBS]TH0R]

@ShamrockOneFive I will add: random user disconnects, real hardware malfunctions and limitations, on top of other things that real pilots didn't have to deal with.

 

For a good MP experience, voice comms = "force multiplayer". Pun intended. ?

[Raven109]

2 hours ago, Rapierarch said:

more over not all of our planes have radios. German planes yes, western planes yes but it was a luxury for soviet planes to have radios. Their pilots loved the P-39 because it had radio. Also their tanks did not have it. That was one of the big reasons for clear german victory in for the first half of the war. I simply would not like to speak and coordinate with someone in a soviet plane or while flying the flying circus. It kills the immersion there. 

 

The issue here is that even if they removed the radios (i.e the chat) from the game for the Russian aircraft/tanks, players can still use other tools to communicate, so it would be pointless.  Perhaps you noticed that there is a mod for the game which cleans dirty canopies, because some hate dirty glass. So, some things are made easier for the sake of entertainment.

 

Since you mentioned DCS, it also tries to balance realism with enjoyment. For example, in the case of the 109k, taking off and landing was really difficult for new players. So in one of the patches they reduced the friction with the ground, which led to the wheels skidding if you weren't perfectly coordinated on touch down (before that you'd just touch down while slipping and do a wing strike). The stated reason for the change was that a real world pilot said that a virtual pilot doesn't have all the seat of the pants ques to easily determine side-slip when touching down. Of course, there was an up-roar (justified) from the players who already mastered take-offs and landings in the 109k, so the devs increased friction, but only half way of the initial value.

These games must strike a balance between fun and realism, not everyone enjoys hardcore realism after a days/weeks work, which would lead to less people buying. I'm all for realism, but I also understand that some might not have the time or the dedication for it. 

Edited November 2, 2021 by Raven109

[Strewth]

I will add my 2 bob for what it is worth.

In the original IL-2 up till 1946, I used teamspeak. Simple and easy to set up.

By the way I am not a computer guru, but nor am I computer illiterate.

I have tried to set up SRS and hear bugger all. I am happy to co-operate with reasonable team mates and wing men, but I cannot be bothered with spending crap loads of time trying to figure out if it is my stuff up, or if it is a problem with something else. My time online is valuable (to me at least) and limited, so I am not interested in wasting time. I do (did) enjoy flying with people that communicated to achieve a common goal.

Talk channels need to be:
1. Easy to set up and allocate locations.
2. Listed CLEARLY in the online room introduction.
3. Used by co-operative people, willing to assist and not attack others on the channel.

Cheers.

 

[SharpeXB]

So I finally installed SRS and like I suspected, nobody is using it. Go figure…

[ShamrockOneFive]

2 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

So I finally installed SRS and like I suspected, nobody is using it. Go figure…

 

Depends on the server, the time of day, and who is on. I was on Combat Box last night at about 8pm EST and a bunch of folks were using it. Plus you can talk to the voice activated command and do things like get a bearing to home base, get a "picture" of the combat situation with reported bandits and vectors, etc.

[SharpeXB]

25 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

Depends on the server, the time of day, and who is on. I was on Combat Box last night at about 8pm EST and a bunch of folks were using it. Plus you can talk to the voice activated command and do things like get a bearing to home base, get a "picture" of the combat situation with reported bandits and vectors, etc.

Combat Box is the only sever of the “big three” that uses it. 84 players today and nobody was on SRS. Back when CB used Discord plenty of people were on that all the time. SRS is a bust. It’s too complicated and it’s a separate install. So is Discord but probably people have it already for other games. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

5 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Combat Box is the only sever of the “big three” that uses it. 84 players today and nobody was on SRS. Back when CB used Discord plenty of people were on that all the time. SRS is a bust. It’s too complicated and it’s a separate install. So is Discord but probably people have it already for other games. 

 

I really find it hard to believe that there were 84 players on and not a peep on SRS. Have you verified that it is working?

 

It's a really helpful utility but everyone has a role to play to make it work or not work. I've seen it do fantastic things for teamwork. But you get out of it what you put into it and if you're not willing to then its just not going to happen.

[spreckair]

 

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It does have a page of instruction to scroll through which is discouraging.

As for me, I would rather have a page of instructions than no instructions.  How many times have I had to find a Youtube video or some obscure posting to fix an issue?

[SharpeXB]

11 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

I really find it hard to believe that there were 84 players on and not a peep on SRS. Have you verified that it is working?

Well I did a radio check so at least one other person must have been on it. But there was no chatter at all. Way more people used Discord when it was on Combat Box. You’d think the admins would have noticed that.
 

SRS is pretty silent on DCS as well. Again I see more people using Discord there too. And on the “realistic” servers too.  

[ShamrockOneFive]

I just can't reconcile your experience. It's the opposite of mine.

[Guster]

Sometimes the internet, much like morning traffic, brings out the worst in people, and sometimes you make friends for life. The latter rarely happens in your daily commute.

[Donik]

18 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

So I finally installed SRS and like I suspected, nobody is using it. Go figure…

 

I reinstalled SRS as I'm on a slight multiplayer kick recently. Every time I log in, people are using it.  Is it jam packed? No.  But there's certainly people in there every time I've jumped on to play.  In fact, of all the times I've used it, both recently and in the past, I can't think of a time where I was completely alone on there.

[SharpeXB]

3 minutes ago, Donik said:

 

I reinstalled SRS as I'm on a slight multiplayer kick recently. Every time I log in, people are using it.  Is it jam packed? No.  But there's certainly people in there every time I've jumped on to play.  In fact, of all the times I've used it, both recently and in the past, I can't think of a time where I was completely alone on there.

There are only 3 servers that ever have players on them. Combat Box, Wings of Liberty and Finnish Pilots. CB is the only one that uses it. 

[Donik]

9 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

CB is the only one that uses it. 

 

Great to have when on CB.  The AI interaction alone is worth it, IMO.

[JimTM]

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

There are only 3 servers that ever have players on them. Combat Box, Wings of Liberty and Finnish Pilots. CB is the only one that uses it. 

 

Finnish Pilots uses SRS (ts3.virtualpilots.fi:6002). It will auto-connect you when you log on if you have SRS running.

Edited December 30, 2021 by JimTM

[SharpeXB]

22 minutes ago, JimTM said:

 

Finnish Pilots uses SRS (ts3.virtualpilots.fi:6002). It will auto-connect you when you log on if you have SRS running.

I tried FP but it’s not connecting. There’s no info about it on the server either. Their forum page says they use Discord. 

Edited December 30, 2021 by SharpeXB

[JimTM]

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

I tried FP but it’s not connecting. There’s no info about it on the server either. Their forum page says they use Discord. 

 

You can connect manually to the Finnish Virtual Pilots server by typing ts3.virtualpilots.fi:6002 into the box above the Connect button and clicking on the Connect button. You can do this at any time before or after joining the server in IL-2.

[SharpeXB]

13 minutes ago, JimTM said:

 

You can connect manually to the Finnish Virtual Pilots server by typing ts3.virtualpilots.fi:6002 into the box above the Connect button and clicking on the Connect button. You can do this at any time before or after joining the server in IL-2.

Ok but see SRS is too complicated. Really there’s no benefit with it compared to the other apps. 

[SCG_Tzigy]

37 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Ok but see SRS is too complicated. Really there’s no benefit with it compared to the other apps. 

I think the way it is implemented on CBX is awesome. The AI comms are super immersive! Also it has been my experience that frequently i can find someone to wing up w. I like it better for the casual online flyer x T or Discord. With overlay enabled easier imho