Totally unrealistic game

[453=IntrepidSix]

This game is so far from being realistic is and complete JOKE.

 

Cant spot planes against the ground so fly low and sneak around on the deck totally invisible to plane above.

Having altitude is a disadvantage 

Do the game developers even play this game??????????????????

 

Fix the spotting, playing in VR is a waste of time.

 

Intrepid.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

1 minute ago, 453=IntrepidSix said:

Do the game developers even play this game??????????????????

You certainly don't, apparently.

[Lolrawr]

10 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

You certainly don't, apparently.

 

I think he does more than you do, apparently.

 

13 minutes ago, 453=IntrepidSix said:

Fix the spotting, playing in VR is a waste of time.

 

Spoting has been an issue since the game launched. I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

[Guest deleted@191198]

Toxic.

[ITAF_Rani]

15 minutes ago, 453=IntrepidSix said:

This game is so far from being realistic is and complete JOKE.

 

Cant spot planes against the ground so fly low and sneak around on the deck totally invisible to plane above.

Having altitude is a disadvantage 

Do the game developers even play this game??????????????????

 

Fix the spotting, playing in VR is a waste of time.

 

Intrepid.

I fly in VR with rift S so not a  newest VR...I m able to spot quite well...

I suspect you didn t find a proper setting...

Edited October 24, 2021 by ITAF_Rani

[Asgar]

Have you tried glasses!?

[ROCKET_KNUT]

Sounds a bit strange to me since I get spotted every time, even when I´m hiding in the clouds. ?

[Feathered_IV]

If your plane is always spotted, try flying the allied ones instead.

Most of those have stripes.

[Halon]

I hate flying low, I always get spotted and when I do get jumped there's no where to go. I don't have too much trouble spotting targets when flying up high although I use TrackHat rather than VR so I suspect your issue is hardware related.

[ROCKET_KNUT]

32 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

If your plane is always spotted, try flying the allied ones instead.

Most of those have stripes.

I´ve got no idea, what you´re talking about. Looks like I just can´t hide in the ground clutter for some reason.

 I mean, I don´t wear skins featuring striking colours... Uhhh, that one didn´t work, did it? ??

 

[zan64]

eastern front was always on the deck abouts due to its tactical nature

 

western front, wasnt much air opposition in jan 1945 , or even summer 1944 for that matter, if there was then... 

 

keep in mind western air front post Battle of Britain mostly produced bomber and escort stories at altitude which we spent a life time reading and watching. 

 

and for what its worth (not much) i couldnt spot either IRL when i was flying GA

Edited October 24, 2021 by zan64

[Superflyer]

2 Stunden, 453=IntrepidSix sagte:

Dieses Spiel ist so weit von der Realität ist und WITZ.

 

Cant spot Flugzeuge gegen den Boden, so tief Fliegen, und schleichen Sie herum auf dem deck völlig unsichtbar in die Fläche oben.

Höhe ist ein Nachteil

Tun, die Spiel-Entwickler noch dieses Spiel spielen??????????????????

 

Fix das entdecken, spielen in VR ist eine Verschwendung von Zeit.

 

Intrepid.

You also have to learn "to see" first !!!!!! Read the memoirs of fighter pilots who first had "tomatoes on their eyes!", And only with them They have "learned to see" over time. That is why many young, poorly trained German fighter pilots were shot down later. They "didn't even see the enemy who killed them!" I have been flying BOX for years, before IL-2 1946, ROF, I deal with historical aircraft model making, read many books about old aircraft, operating instructions, and I have to say that I find it implemented relatively realistically. Of course, you always have to make compromises, it's a simulation, and of course it always depends on the computers, VR glasses, screens ....... I would see the lack of engine management, the radio menu, possibly a little more action in the actions ....... but overall, it is a very good flight simulation. So don't complain in the first post.

 

Man muss auch erst lernen" zu sehen"!!!!!! Lies mal Memoiren von Jagdfliegern, die haben auch erst " Tomaten auf den Augen gehabt!!!", und erst mit der

Zeit haben sie " sehen gelernt". Deshalb wurden später viele junge, schlecht ausgebildete deutsche Jagdflieger abgeschossen, Sie " sahen nicht mal den Feind, der sie tötete!!!"

Ich fliege BOX seit Jahren, vorher IL-2 1946, ROF, beschäftige mich mit historischem Flugzeugmodellbau, lese viele Bücher über alte Flugzeuge, Bedienungsanleitungen, und ich muss sagen, ich finde es relativ realistisch umgesetzt. Man muss natürlich immer Abstriche machen, es ist eine Simulation, und natürlich auch immer stark abhängig von den verwendeten Computern, VR- Brillen, Bildschirmen.......

Ich würde als Mangel ansehen, das immer noch seit Jahren gewünschte, aber noch fehlende intensivere Motormanagement, das Funkmenü, evtl auch etwas mehr Action in den Handlungen....... aber insgesamt gesehen ist es eine sehr gute Flug- Simulation . Also nicht gleich im ersten Beitrag meckern.

[BlitzPig_EL]

I suspect the OP has perhaps only played other computer games, where spotting is, enhanced, shall we say.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

3 hours ago, 453=IntrepidSix said:

This game is so far from being realistic is and complete JOKE.

 

Cant spot planes against the ground so fly low and sneak around on the deck totally invisible to plane above.

Having altitude is a disadvantage 

Do the game developers even play this game??????????????????

 

Fix the spotting, playing in VR is a waste of time.

 

Intrepid.

 

Background: The sim's spotting has evolved since it's release.  Due to complaints similar to yours In one of the upgrades you could spot aircraft at about 50+km.  There was an option in settings whether to use this setting or the original.  Due to complaints of being too good, the devs reduced to the current compromise setting in between.  Spotting in RL was dependent on many factors.    

 

Just wondering which combat flight sims you have experience with.  IL-2 1946?  DCS?  War Thunder?  World of Warplanes?

Also wondering which VR you use.  It may be helpful to ask what others are using for settings to help in spotting.

Edited October 24, 2021 by VBF-12_Stick-95

[PB0_Roll]

I think the spotting is quite realistic in the game, at least for planes, (see my issues with navlights and tracers elsewhere). IRL it's not always easy to spot airplanes, even those painted mostly white. Once I've seen them once however, as long as I don't watch anywhere else, I can keep them in sight, and it's about the same in game.

I's always possible to swich icons on if it's really bothering one.

[CountZero]

I like how spotting works now, hope they just fix or remove unrealistic nav lights 

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

I like how spotting works now, hope they just fix or remove unrealistic nav lights 

 

I agree about nav lights.  Even when you're close to a plane with lights on, it can be very difficult to identify what model it is.  Friendly? Enemy? Who knows!  The lights saturate almost the entire plane model.

 

As far as "regular" spotting goes....  not perfect but, very well-done.  It largely depends on weather and light conditions.  Sometimes planes get past me but, on a clear day where there is no haze and the sky is light blue, I can still "spot the dots" at co-alt at nearly 30km away. View from above can still be ~10km against the ground.  On cloudy days, the sky is either hazy, the sun's position makes the sky appear dark blue or both.... not so much.  In that case, the usual max spotting distance for me is  ~10km no matter whether the enemy is above or below.  

[GOA_Karaya_VR]

I'm using now a RIFT S, and yeah.. its kind of tricky the spotting if you dont have the proper graphic settings, this are mine:

 

 

[KEY = graphics]
    3dhud = 0
    adapter = 0
    bloom_enable = 0
    canopy_ref = 1
    desktop_center = 1
    detail_rt_res = 1024
    draw_distance = 1.00000
    far_blocks = 1
    fps_counter = 0
    fps_limit = 60
    full_height = 768
    full_width = 1366
    fullscreen = 1
    gamma = 0.80000
    grass_distance = 100.00000
    hdr_enable = 1
    land_anisotropy = 2
    land_detail = 1
    land_tex_lods = 0
    max_cache_res = 1
    max_clouds_quality = 1
    mgpu_compatible = 0
    mirrors = 0
    msaa = 1
    multisampling = 0
    or_ca = 0.00000
    or_dummy = 0
    or_enable = 1
    or_height = 2112
    or_hud_rad = 0.85000
    or_hud_size = 0.85000
    or_ipd = 0.06350
    or_sipdc = 0.00000
    or_width = 1968
    post_sharpen = 1
    preset = 1
    prop_blur_max_rpm_for_vr = -1
    rescale_target = 1.00000
    shadows_quality = 2
    ssao_enable = 1
    stereo_dof = 5.00000
    vsync = 0
    win_height = 1024
    win_width = 1280
[END]

 

Some tips that maybe will be usefull, turn off your AA, always use HDR, always set off the BLOOM , never use more than 1.3 of super sampling , and use open composite rather than steam VR, you will save a lot of fps, with this settings i'm able to see everything while fliying below 5k.

 

Firebird.

Edited October 24, 2021 by GOA_FirebirdCRI_VR

[sevenless]

ROFL! You can´t teach a blind bat to spot stuff I guess.

[MiloMorai]

Yes it is totally unrealistic, you can't get maimed or killed unless you fall out of your chair.

[Hoss]

I did not see a bridge anywhere, so where did this Troll with a fishin pole, with only one post come from?....................... cause you guys took it "Hook, Line, and Sinker"............................... 

 

Cheers

Hoss

Edited October 24, 2021 by 352nd_Hoss

[40plus]

You ok there OP? I only ask because you came across a tad unhinged.

[-250H-Ursus_]

22 hours ago, 453=IntrepidSix said:

 

Having altitude is a disadvantage 

 

Sounds like a skill issue o to me

[PatrickAWlson]

Honestly think the man has a point about low altitude spotting.  I have had planes pretty much disappear on me transitioning from farmland to forest.  Having said that, the OP was a tad over the top.  Just a smidge.

[Pict]

I almost be tempted to call this an intrepid post...if it hadn't taken the best part of 7 years to form such ideas and make it 

 

Spoiler

 

Edited October 25, 2021 by Pict

[Sheriff88]

In the very early days if Il-2 (20 years ago? )I was put off initially by spotting issues. I put it on the shelf for a couple of years because trying to spot gnats in the sky was not my thing. Them somewhere a change was made and I was excited. Spotting issues gone.

I remember Lock On series was pretty much “spotting gnats” . 
 

[357th_KW]

10 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Honestly think the man has a point about low altitude spotting.  I have had planes pretty much disappear on me transitioning from farmland to forest.  Having said that, the OP was a tad over the top.  Just a smidge.

Absolutely.  You only have to spend 10-15 minutes on Berloga to see that a favorite tactic of many is to immediately dive right down to the deck to hide in the ground clutter and then loop up onto people’s 6s to attempt a “low bounce” - particularly in the high HP 109s

[PatrickAWlson]

55 minutes ago, VBF-12_KW said:

Absolutely.  You only have to spend 10-15 minutes on Berloga to see that a favorite tactic of many is to immediately dive right down to the deck to hide in the ground clutter and then loop up onto people’s 6s to attempt a “low bounce” - particularly in the high HP 109s

 

I find spotting over farmland or steppes isn't too bad.   It's over trees that I lose planes.  I'm in my late 50s so I do not expect much from my eyesight..  I also play SP exclusively so using a modded icon (just a single square) is a necessary visual aid for me.  Still, IMHO it is noticeably difficult to maintain eyes on some planes once they get over forest.

[Danziger]

Wouldn't that be more realistic though? Wasn't the whole point of painting airplanes to match the sky on the underside and whatever terrain they operated over on the top to make spotting more difficult? It always cracks me up to see people go on unhinged rants about how unrealistic a video game about war is lol. If you want realism, go and join the military. I think a more realistic simulator should have you pulling grass and weeds from the concrete in the motorpool and cleaning up oil drips under the vehicles while the csm and colonel walk around inspecting a second and third time before they finally let you go home on friday after the safety briefing. Or maybe having to fight with the pol guys to get some gaa and 15/40 for your vehicle because they won't give you any new cans of oil until you turn in the empty cans used to fill the vehicle last time that are nowhere to be found.

Edited October 26, 2021 by Danziger

[Props]

Awesome Danziger! I remember a squad detail where we moved a pile of rocks about 2 meters away and then ordered to move the pile right back where it had been. Good ol' make-work BS of every day military life......

[AEthelraedUnraed]

10 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

I find spotting over farmland or steppes isn't too bad.   It's over trees that I lose planes.  I'm in my late 50s so I do not expect much from my eyesight..  I also play SP exclusively so using a modded icon (just a single square) is a necessary visual aid for me.  Still, IMHO it is noticeably difficult to maintain eyes on some planes once they get over forest.

No offense, but mightn't your eyesight have something to do with it? I personally can't recall a single instance where an aircraft disappeared while I was looking at it. It does occasionally happen after I look elsewhere to check my six or have a quick glance over the instrument panel, but I think that's realistic. There's also a different recent thread about spotting, where @[DBS]TH0R makes an excellent case about how current spotting issues are caused by pixel size on modern high-dpi systems.

 

Overall, that thread seems to be rooted less in teenage angst than this one, and actually has a couple of posts worth reading.

[BOO]

1 hour ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

No offense, but mightn't your eyesight have something to do with it? 

My 13 yr old can spot stuff in game I simply cant.  Ive also read a few pilot bios and have never seen the words "myopic old gadger" used to describe any of the aces but these same words can be used to sum me up. Ive also mentioned before that I live only about 4 miles from Scampton  and sometimes struggle to see the Red Arrows performing over the base from that distance (and I know where to look...................... and there's nine of em..................and they are red and shiny)

 

Perhaps we should have an age slider that multiples the pixel by a factor of 4 for every ten years the player is past 20. Then again, perhaps not. 

 

Disappearing planes I have seen in the past but it was never a big issue for me as for them to disappear I presume one had to see them in the first instance. 

 

As for realism. I shall ponder it on my next flight whilst supping a whiskey and telling my dog to leave the cat be......

[AKA_Baylor6]

How true this is!  I'm 72 and not only my vision but also my reaction time is not what it once was.  However, I might try once again to venture into the sky.

 

My IL2 time goes back to the original IL2 Sturmovik that I bought at the local mall when it first came out.  That was a long, long time ago.  One time I actually shot down Oleg Maddox.

 

A long time ago in a world far away!

[JimTM]

2 hours ago, BOO said:

...

Perhaps we should have an age slider that multiples the pixel by a factor of 4 for every ten years the player is past 20. Then again, perhaps not. 

...

 

So, in addition to the Gamma slider, you're saying we need a Grampa slider?   

[Avimimus]

14 minutes ago, JimTM said:

So, in addition to the Gamma slider, you're saying we need a Grampa slider?   

 

Oh no!!! I don't even have kids yet - how can I need the grandpa setting to be set so high already!!!

[BOO]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

 

Oh no!!! I don't even have kids yet - how can I need the grandpa setting to be set so high already!!!

Take heart at being ahead of the curve!

[PatrickAWlson]

6 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

No offense, but mightn't your eyesight have something to do with it? I personally can't recall a single instance where an aircraft disappeared while I was looking at it. It does occasionally happen after I look elsewhere to check my six or have a quick glance over the instrument panel, but I think that's realistic. There's also a different recent thread about spotting, where @[DBS]TH0R makes an excellent case about how current spotting issues are caused by pixel size on modern high-dpi systems.

 

Overall, that thread seems to be rooted less in teenage angst than this one, and actually has a couple of posts worth reading.

 

Of course my eyesight could (almost certainly does) have something to do with it.  There's a reason why I fly with a nice red dot over enemy planes  .     However, my eyesight is also not completely terrible.  I need glasses to read but otherwise can do without.

 

I raised the point as something that happens to me that maybe others see too.  I fail to see planes all the time(thus the red dot), but the only time I actually lose them while looking at them is over a forest.  If this is not an issue for most then I'll put it down to eyesight and call it a day.  It's not that hard to track the red dot until I can see the plane again  

[Chief_Mouser]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

Oh no!!! I don't even have kids yet - how can I need the grandpa setting to be set so high already!!!

 

I'm old and don't have kids. Where the hell do I fit in? ?

[357th_KW]

6 hours ago, 216th_Cat said:

 

I'm old and don't have kids. Where the hell do I fit in? ?

Time to adopt! ?

[BOO]

14 hours ago, 216th_Cat said:

 

I'm old and don't have kids. Where the hell do I fit in? ?

 

8 hours ago, VBF-12_KW said:

Time to adopt! ?

They have their uses for sure.

 

HOWEVER

 

From a cost to benefit point of view they remain the only thing in the universe worse than an 3 series Nvidia Card (but not by much)