With the Normandy map coming can we finally get life jackets that work?

[Chief_Mouser]

Bail out into a river, lake or sea and you will drown. Every time. This is going to be a huge problem for career and campaign playability on the Normandy map. Struggling home with a damaged engine then plop! - into the drink you go.

 

It's time for the aircrews' lifejackets to be put to some use. It doesn't have to be much. The bailed out pilot gets a new floating model when he hits the water, and then a randomised trigger as to whether he's survived and then rescued or not, based on how close to land he is perhaps?

As nice as it would be to see the ASR Walrus or an RAF HSL coming to get you that bit's not totally necessary.

 

But it IS time for the ridiculous, automatic, death in the water to be ditched. (haha - pun! ?)

[Feathered_IV]

I was thinking about that the other day, as my burning aircraft cartwheeled across the ground and came to rest.  I opened the canopy, and as I sat there slowly frying and unable to step out I suddenly thought: thank goodness I didn't come down in the water or else I'd already be dead by now.

[MasterBaiter]

Or a good old dinghy like in 1946.

 

[Props]

Though it doesn't change my overall positive view of IL2 BoX, I do miss jumping out of my ditched plane and watching my pilot run a bit then drop and cover like they did in IL2 '46. As well as the pilot coming up in his little butt life raft after ditching at sea (which happened a lot while I was learning my carrier takeoffs, nothing quite like watching the bow loom over you and run over your Hellcat;-) or bailing over water. Can't remember if those were mods or in game updates though I think they were sim updates if my recollection is right. But I would put these in the low priority category for the devs when compared to some of the other stuff they are working on, not that I wouldn't appreciate the added immersion if it were added at some point.

[Missionbug]

This is certainly needed, the dinghy in the old game did the trick nicely, time to add something in the Great Battles series as it is long overdue.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[15[Span.]/JG51Costa]

Hi all Gents!

The German Rettungsboje (later copied by the RAF) could be a great option.

 

Saludos.

15(Span.)/JG51 Costa

[Avimimus]

This is a good point...!

 

I wonder how much we dare weigh down the devs with... but I do find it hard to imagine cross-channel operations without them.

[Chief_Mouser]

52 minutes ago, 15[Span.]/JG51Costa said:

Hi all Gents!

The German Rettungsboje (later copied by the RAF) could be a great option.

 

Saludos.

15(Span.)/JG51 Costa

 

Most definitely! It would be great to be 'saved' by ditching close to one. If we can't have this, of course: The Sea Shall Not Have Them (1954) - IMDb ?

 

Here's the real thing: 

 

 

So if we can have driveable tanks, how about a player-controlled HSL? Although, I as suspect Captain Mainwaring might say... 'You're in the realms of fantasy there Jones.'

Edited October 20, 2021 by 216th_Cat

[Enceladus828]

I agree here. This is something that should have been fixed when BoK was fully released. I kept hoping that after 3.002 this would be fixed, but it wasn't and I held my breath that it would fixed in Update 3.006 -- which contained many game improvements -- or in the patch which added American pilots with lifejackets, but neither of which was the case. The fact that pilots die when touching the water is sooo embarrassing for this game. I mean, one could say "if you have to bail out over water then just end the mission before the pilot touches the water". Okay, but what if a new user to the game is playing the BoK career on Ironman mode and they come across the situation where they have to bail out over and their career is over because of this stupid bug in the game?! Absolutely ridiculous if you ask me! I mean, we all know about IL-2 1946 so moving on, in CloD/IL-2 Dover series, the pilot releases himself from his harness just above the water and 9/10 times after he lands in the water he surfaces.

As I said, this bug is so embarrassing and no offence to the devs, I don't understand why this bug has been in the game for so long without even being addressed by them.

 

4 hours ago, 216th_Cat said:

This is going to be a huge problem for career and campaign playability on the Normandy map. Struggling home with a damaged engine then plop! - into the drink you go.

And for the Pacific as well (if the devs get there), especially Midway, Guadalcanal, etc, etc.

 

For the record guys, it was because this bug wasn't fixed that I actually gave up on IL-2 GBs and said that if the devs packed it up after Bodenplatte then I would be indifferent about that. It wasn't until BoN was announced did I get back into the game.

Now that the next map is going to have a considerable amount of water, like the Kuban map, it is absolutely necessary for the devs to fix the parachute bug... at the very least they should address it.

 

Thank you.

[Diggun]

31 minutes ago, 216th_Cat said:

 The Sea Shall Not Have Them (1954) - IMDb ?

Do my ears deceive me, or did a genuine Bad Swear sneak in here: 

 

[Ribbon]

+1 on this subject!

They just need to remove "die feature" from it, as well to remove "feature" of parachute being hit with few bullets to collapse, parachutes are not designed like that, they're not balloons, you can have many fabric squares ripped and land safely, only pilot being hit should kill him.

This will also reduce chute killers online, if they like it at least they'll waste a lot of ammo aiming that tiny man.

Also pilot to be able to leave burning and sinking aircraft.

[Enceladus828]

@LukeFF I've have let this slide for quite some time, but now I can no longer let this slide. How is what I posted funny to you??

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

1 hour ago, Enceladus said:

@LukeFF I've have let this slide for quite some time, but now I can no longer let this slide. How is what I posted funny to you??

 

Probably the part where you said you gave up on a great sim because of a tiny issue like that. 

 

Overreacting and ragequitting is rarely the way to go man. 

[Dakpilot]

1 hour ago, Enceladus said:

@LukeFF I've have let this slide for quite some time, but now I can no longer let this slide. How is what I posted funny to you??

 

''For the record guys, it was because this bug wasn't fixed that I actually gave up on IL-2 GBs and said that if the devs packed it up after Bodenplatte then I would be indifferent about that. It wasn't until BoN was announced did I get back into the game''

 

To be honest I find this rather funny too

 

Drama llama much? 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[Enceladus828]

1 hour ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

Probably the part where you said you gave up on a great sim because of a tiny issue like that. 

 

Overreacting and ragequitting is rarely the way to go man. 

Hey, people have given up on other games such as CloD and Rise of Flight for lesser reasons than that.

Before the Kuban map was released in late August 2017, the parachute bug wasn't much of an issue because there were so few bodies of water, but after the Kuban map was released, it would make sense for this bug to have been fixed. I mentioned this several times since May 2018 in a friendly way, but it wasn't acknowledged by the devs nor was it fixed and by the summer of 2019 I just got frustrated that this bug has been going on for this long. I mean, it discourages people from flying a considerable distance from the coast; and for the Normandy map it will likely discourage people from flying over the channel to attack ground objects and then fly back across the channel if it's not fixed by then or shortly after the map is released. And for the part about this making me give up on the game, it was for roughly 2 months and then I got back into the game with the announcement of BoN and I have no intention of giving up on IL-2 GBs anytime soon. Primarily because of what planes are going to be in BoN!!

 

Last October I posted something similar in quite a friendly way and I did not mention that I gave up because of the parachute bug and still LukeFF laughed at me.

Here https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/66145-being-killed-when-bailing-out-over-water/?do=findComment&comment=1016266

 

And BTW, I am autistic so things that most people wouldn't really consider to be that big of a deal can be a slightly bigger deal to people like me, but not in a very immature way.

That is why.

 

Edited October 20, 2021 by Enceladus

[Ribbon]

For Kuban and other maps there weren't many naval missions so i guess this issue didn't go hot.

 

Now with BoN map it could bother may players crossing the Channel, especially in MP so i'm sure devs will take care of it!

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

3 hours ago, Enceladus said:

Hey, people have given up on other games such as CloD and Rise of Flight for lesser reasons than that.

Before the Kuban map was released in late August 2017, the parachute bug wasn't much of an issue because there were so few bodies of water, but after the Kuban map was released, it would make sense for this bug to have been fixed. I mentioned this several times since May 2018 in a friendly way, but it wasn't acknowledged by the devs nor was it fixed and by the summer of 2019 I just got frustrated that this bug has been going on for this long. I mean, it discourages people from flying a considerable distance from the coast; and for the Normandy map it will likely discourage people from flying over the channel to attack ground objects and then fly back across the channel if it's not fixed by then or shortly after the map is released. And for the part about this making me give up on the game, it was for roughly 2 months and then I got back into the game with the announcement of BoN and I have no intention of giving up on IL-2 GBs anytime soon. Primarily because of what planes are going to be in BoN!!

 

Last October I posted something similar in quite a friendly way and I did not mention that I gave up because of the parachute bug and still LukeFF laughed at me.

Here https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/66145-being-killed-when-bailing-out-over-water/?do=findComment&comment=1016266

 

And BTW, I am autistic so things that most people wouldn't really consider to be that big of a deal can be a slightly bigger deal to people like me, but not in a very immature way.

That is why.

 

 

Thank you for the explanation. You are a good poster. I got my share of frustrations too with GB. Some lingering issues that, in my mind, are easy to fix. At the end of the day, devs know the score, not us. They didnt fix it, they have a reason. But we can already fly the Spit XIV can we? Yep, limited ressources, limited staff, limited time. They make choices like we all do and cant please everybody.

 

Always keep these 2 things in mind. 

 

-this sim is excellent. Its not perfect but its excellent. Its worth your time and your money. Dont give up, if you love aircrafts and history, hang on.

 

-they need to make money to keep going, and devs will work in such a way. That means that sometimes, issues that are lets say, minor or manageable will linger. It is how it is. If they stop making money, its all over. No more maps, no more planes, no more AI improvements. All over. I want them to keep going. You do too. We need to put our trust in them despite the occasionnal frustration.

 

 

[Gambit21]

I only want the little raft or running away guy if he shakes his fist in the air at the offending aircraft.

 

 

[Feathered_IV]

4 hours ago, Enceladus said:

 

And BTW, I am autistic so things that most people wouldn't really consider to be that big of a deal can be a slightly bigger deal to people like me, but not in a very immature way.

That is why.

I’m genuinely sorry to hear that.   

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

1 minute ago, Gambit21 said:

I only want the little raft or running away guy if he shakes his fist in the air at the offending aircraft.

 

 

 

Bf-110 crew be like

 

[Gambit21]

Yep, that's it!

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

7 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Yep, that's it!

 

No no this one man

 

 

It only needs an airplane photoshopped on it

 

'1945 Luftwaffe level pilot yells at Tempest'

Edited October 20, 2021 by I./JG52_Woutwocampe

[zzzxxxxzzz]

8 hours ago, Enceladus said:

@LukeFF I've have let this slide for quite some time, but now I can no longer let this slide. How is what I posted funny to you??

I've noticed that. It is a shame that a person who works in the game is dedicated to making fun of a member of the community every time he participates.

[Jade_Monkey]

The dinghy would make most sense if we had a rescue plane (Walrus?) to go along, and the ability to create those types of missions in game.

If it is just for cosmetic purposes, I wouldn't say no, but it would rank really low on my priorities.

[oc2209]

10 hours ago, Enceladus said:

@LukeFF I've have let this slide for quite some time, but now I can no longer let this slide. How is what I posted funny to you??

 

Some people use the laugh emoji in dickish ways. It's just something we all have to live with and ultimately ignore. Sometimes it's easier said than done. 

 

3 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

I’m genuinely sorry to hear that.   

 

I'm sure you mean well, but for the record, saying you're sorry for someone having X condition is usually more for a transitory condition like cancer or some other physical ailment. By contrast, saying sorry about autism is akin to saying 'I'm sorry you have an incurable mental condition that's an intrinsic part of your personality' which is another way of saying 'I'm sorry you're you.'

 

I don't mean to make a big deal of this, and trust me, I usually roll my eyes and want to vomit when someone on the internet makes a grand proclamation of how hard it is to be X, Y, and Z, and how we should all give them our infinite understanding and love and respect. I'm not into political correctness at all. I despise it, frankly.

 

But, that said, if you want to be sympathetic, that's my advice.

[Feathered_IV]

Hi Oc’ sorry for the misunderstanding. What I meant was I’m genuinely sorry to hear that LukeFF’s persistent online harassment of Enceladus has significant real world consequences. 

[oc2209]

9 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

Hi Oc’ sorry for the misunderstanding. What I meant was I’m genuinely sorry to hear that LukeFF’s persistent online harassment of Enceladus has significant real world consequences. 

 

I see. That's what I get for trying to turn the exchange into a teachable moment. Internet do-gooderism strikes again.

 

I'll just spin this in my favor by saying we removed the potential for @Enceladus to misinterpret your meaning as I did.

 

[[CPT]milopugdog]

I just want to jump in to say that if something was never a feature in the first place, it isn't a bug; it's a missing feature.

 

Now that I've added nothing to the discussion, I'll be flying the PBY I don't have into the sunset.

[BraveSirRobin]

23 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

Hi Oc’ sorry for the misunderstanding. What I meant was I’m genuinely sorry to hear that LukeFF’s persistent online harassment of Enceladus has significant real world consequences. 

Enceladus has been playing the laughing emoji game for over a year now.  If he’s facing real world consequences, he completely deserves them.

[oc2209]

31 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Enceladus has been playing the laughing emoji game for over a year now.

 

Really? Hmph.

 

I'm confused because now I don't know who to self-righteously scold next.

 

I guess I'll just take my ambivalence out on the Typhoon.

[zan64]

im pretty sure you'd die everytime within 20min too irl if you bailed in the channel anytime except summer 

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

Jesus, this topic went places, in a bad way. 

 

Its going to get locked, there's no other possible outcome. 

[Enceladus828]

54 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

What I meant was I’m genuinely sorry to hear that LukeFF’s persistent online harassment of Enceladus has significant real world consequences. 

 

38 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

I'll just spin this in my favor by saying we removed the potential for @Enceladus to misinterpret your meaning as I did.

Thanks guys ?

 

The context that I was using when I said "I am autistic so things that most people wouldn't really consider to be that big of a deal can be a slightly bigger deal to people like me" was really more of the fact that most people wouldn't make too much of a deal about parachute bug/the fact that death is instantaneous when touching the water, but for someone like me this may be more of a deal.

And I mean, LukeFF constantly laughing at me every time I mention this "thing that happens" in a polite and friendly way, not raging at the devs and/or saying that this made me give up on the game for a while, began getting to me.

 

Also, another member pointed this out, which I have found to be true, autism can have its beneficiaries as I am very knowledgeable about things in life and precise details about them. There's one guy who tells me that I have an external hard-drive in my head because of how well I know things. 

 

Lastly, I have a minor case of autism that is not really noticeable to most people that I know in life. There was a novel I read in English class called "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time" by John Haddon, and I am nothing compared to the protagonist of that novel.

 

[AndyJWest]

12 hours ago, Diggun said:

Do my ears deceive me, or did a genuine Bad Swear sneak in here: 

 

 

It could have been 'mucking about', but I think you're right...

[Feathered_IV]

Is that a New Zealand accent?  They often make the mundane sound profane.  Kind of reminds me of this:

 

[Rjel]

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/a609a721-a3cc-4fc1-90db-
 

I’m not sure how anyone should be able to detect a person’s disability from a forum post. I’ve also noticed most people who rail against political correctness until the lack of it is directed at “moi”. It always seems to be a pretty big deal then. 

Edited October 21, 2021 by Rjel

[migmadmarine]

I've been under the assumption that lifevests will be implemented sometime around the introduction of Normandy's career mode, as that is where it's absence will be most harshly felt. As to Kuban, how widely issued were life vests in the Eastern Front Luftwaffe/VVS? The only mention one way or the other I can think of reading for the VVS at least was in Red Star against the Swastika, where they didn't seem to think highly of them in the brief period they had them, but that of course is only one data point, plenty I've not read on that subject. 

[LukeFF]

1 minute ago, migmadmarine said:

The only mention one way or the other I can think of reading for the VVS at least was in Red Star against the Swastika, where they didn't seem to think highly of them in the brief period they had them, but that of course is only one data point, plenty I've not read on that subject. 

 

Yes, I've read that as well, and as I recall the issue with the life vests they were initially issued is that they were Air Force issued ones that took forever to inflate. Understandably, they refused to wear them until they were issue with much superior ones used by pilots of the Black Sea Fleet. 

[oc2209]

12 hours ago, Rjel said:

I’m not sure how anyone should be able to detect a person’s disability from a forum post. I’ve also noticed most people who rail against political correctness until the lack of it is directed at “moi”. It always seems to be a pretty big deal then. 

 

I think the greater point that was lost in this fracas is that people shouldn't be so quick to mock people who have opinions that sound odd, illogical, or downright stupid. You're free to disagree with them, ignore them, or refute them; but mockery is unnecessary.

 

We don't know if the people we're talking to are congenitally stupid, insane, on medications, or whatever else has an impact on how we perceive the world and communicate.

 

Since we don't know, then it stands to reason that we should refrain from open mockery. That's not politically correct bullshit. That's basic decency.

[BraveSirRobin]

13 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

 

but mockery is unnecessary.

 

We don't know if the people we're talking to are congenitally stupid, insane, on medications, or whatever else has an impact on how we perceive the world and communicate.

If someone has been responding to my posts with the laughing emoji, sometimes going back several years to find those posts, and then they start whining about others giving them the laughing emoji, then I don’t care what meds they’re on.  They deserve whatever mockery that is directed at them.