Developer Diary 296 - Discussion

[oc2209]

14 minutes ago, [F.Circus]FrangibleCover said:

Collector aircraft tend to be single seaters (only ones that aren't are U-2VS and the transports) and the list of useful Axis single seaters grows thinner by the day. On the maps we have we're basically down to the 190A-7/9s, the 109G-10, the Macchi 200 and the Hejja.

 

You've clearly forgotten about the potential Bodenplatte-appropriate collector planes everyone wants, such as the Me-163, the He-162, and, of course, the vitally necessary Ta-152.

 

But in all seriousness, the new clouds look great. Really great.

 

The Mosquito's cockpit doesn't really look that cluttered to me, especially for a twin engine plane.

[Rjel]

31 minutes ago, AH_Hollywood said:

Thank you Jason et al, 

 

Clouds look great..  very exciting news…

 

 

 

Willing to Venmo “Mike” money for beer  ??? to keep it going..

 

 

 

 

 

That's sorta like telling friends you'll supply the beer if they'll help paint the house. Better to promise beverages after the job is finished. No one wants a screwed up P-51B. No one!!! ?

Edited October 15, 2021 by Rjel
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[Jaws2002]

16 minutes ago, FlyingNutcase said:

And what do we call this beauty - a storm cell? Just curious if turbulence and gusts will be modelled around such weather.

Cumulonimbus.

[[F.Circus]FrangibleCover]

Just now, oc2209 said:

 

You've clearly forgotten about the potential Bodenplatte-appropriate collector planes everyone wants, such as the Me-163, the He-162, and, of course, the vitally necessary Ta-152.

Cards on the table: I'm up for the He 162 and the Ta 152. If we had a map which included an airbase they operated from at any point in the war, I'd stick them on my list. We don't, I didn't; when we get Battle of Berlin we're going to need the Neustadt-Glewe/Ludwigslust/Parchim airfield complex which will get us the Ta base and hopefully we can fit the Heinkel Nord factory field at Rostock-Marienburg on too.

[LuftManu]

These new clouds really are something! The new higher ones are really outstanding and add more variety to an already great looking cloud tech.

 

Also, Can't wait for that lovely Mosquito.

 

BTW, si that an OBOE nav system?

 

 

Even tough we probably won't get to use it, the attention to detail is mesmerizing. Great work!

[Trooper117]

So glad the Fw 189 is finally coming... (be sure)

[150_GIAP-Red_Dragon]

1 час назад, DD_Arthur сказал:

 

It's not obscured when you are viewing it from the pilots head position, seated in the cockpit. 

Unfortunately, I'm not sure about that. The pictures were taken close to what we will see in the cockpit ourselves, besides in DCS this VSI is also "obscured by the gunsight". Hence my curiosity, was it really created that way?..

[oc2209]

33 minutes ago, [F.Circus]FrangibleCover said:

Cards on the table: I'm up for the He 162 and the Ta 152. If we had a map which included an airbase they operated from at any point in the war, I'd stick them on my list. We don't, I didn't; when we get Battle of Berlin we're going to need the Neustadt-Glewe/Ludwigslust/Parchim airfield complex which will get us the Ta base and hopefully we can fit the Heinkel Nord factory field at Rostock-Marienburg on too.

 

True enough. But the Me-163 did serve in the current Bodenplatte area, did it not?

 

I know the 163's not high on anyone's list, but I think the novelty would be fun. It's as close as we'd ever get to having a dedicated glider in the sim. And we wouldn't have to worry about rocket fumes randomly exploding while landing (hopefully they wouldn't model that, anyway; though it'd be fair on a really hard landing).

 

The He-162 for some reason doesn't interest me at all. It's impressive that they managed to design and fly it as quickly as they did, but I see it as kind of a last-ditch monstrosity, with probably some pretty bad handling characteristics besides the usual end-of-war construction flaws.

 

The Ta-152, by contrast, is a legitimate, respectable piece of engineering.

[357th_KW]

11 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

 

True enough. But the Me-163 did serve in the current Bodenplatte area, did it not?

 

AFAIK no, never on the current Rhineland map.  Likewise with the He-162 and Ta152.  The Luftwaffe had basically retreated off the map by the end of March 1945, and the home defense focused units had always been based in the east near Berlin or Leipzig or the Baltic coast.

[Avimimus]

I second the I-153 Chaika, Fw-189/Fi-156 glasshouse fans, and I have a gentle fascination with the H-162...

 

I also understand those people who'd want a Pacific Theatre aircraft (even without maps, carriers, or AI aircraft to fight), I might want to flesh out existing theatres more - but I can see the appeal and your desires are definitely not odder than mine.

 

But for the sake of speculation itself... given the fact that Jason expressed interest in research for gunner positions in American bombers... I wouldn't be surprised if he tracked down enough info to make the B-26 or B-25 flyable.

 

That said... while all of use will be a bit disappointed, I hope we will also find something glad in whatever comes.

 

P.S. The clouds are really impressive. I'm excited by the interest in continued development too. I have a feeling they cloud-race is on... and I'm tempted to bet on this team.

Edited October 15, 2021 by Avimimus

[Lofte]

1 hour ago, LF_Gallahad said:

BTW, si that an OBOE nav system?

 

I'd say it looks like display unit of GEE navigation system

 

 

 

 

[LuftManu]

1 minute ago, Lofte said:

 

I'd say it looks like display unit of GEE navigation system

 

 

 

 

Oops! Twisted my tongue back there!

[Pict]

2 hours ago, migmadmarine said:

I think it's gotta be the I-153, it's the last of the sort of "original three" that I feel like have been asked for since the development of Moscow. We have the Hurricane, the IAR is on it's way, and the Chika seems like the one I've seen discussed the most along side those. The Hs-123 comes up now and again, but I don't think with the same frequency. 

 

I-153 would certainly be cool and would even work on the Kuban map, if I recall right. They re-deployed them to attack transport columns in the mountains as they were so manouverable. That would make for challenging missions.

 

The last one in original condition is in Le Bourget museum in Paris. It was captured during the German advance in 1941 and sent back for testing, where it would up in Paris and got left behind in 1944. I've seen it a few times a good while back and took plenty of photos. It's an amazing little aircraft when you stand next to it and compare it after standing next to the P-47, P-51, Spit 16, Yak-3, Dewotin 520 and Fw-190-A they had nearby.

 

I think they have been restoring it in recent years. There's lots of photos of this aircraft to see if you do a search for Polikarpov I-153 Le Bourget

[[F.Circus]FrangibleCover]

41 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

The He-162 for some reason doesn't interest me at all. It's impressive that they managed to design and fly it as quickly as they did, but I see it as kind of a last-ditch monstrosity, with probably some pretty bad handling characteristics besides the usual end-of-war construction flaws.

Well yeah, I'm absolutely pumped for it. A horrible wooden disaster plane with weird control coupling and a stupid engine installation is way more interesting than another single seat prop that's 5% better or 5% worse than one we already have in the sim. I also suspect it'll be a bit fairer against late war Allied types than the 262 is, which makes it more viable for the multiplayer scene.

[sevenless]

3 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

My money is on a B-25

 

Dunno why, but that plane always reminds me of Catch 22. Both the 1970s movie with Alan Arkin and the newer Miniseries with Christopher Abbott as Yossarian. Both well worth watching, IMHO.

 

 

[LukeFF]

53 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

But the Me-163 did serve in the current Bodenplatte area, did it not?

 

No, it did not. 

[ITAF_Rani]

I bet B25 flyable

[Pict]

1 hour ago, oc2209 said:

I know the 163's not high on anyone's list

 

It's not on my list at all. Simply because it has no targets in IL2 BOX and apart from that it doesn't even have map to fly from. It's even worse off than the Zero 

 

In saying that I really like both of them and put in lots of stick time with them in the old IL2 series.

Edited October 15, 2021 by Pict

[AndyJWest]

1 hour ago, -332FG-Red_Pilot said:

Unfortunately, I'm not sure about that. The pictures were taken close to what we will see in the cockpit ourselves, besides in DCS this VSI is also "obscured by the gunsight". Hence my curiosity, was it really created that way?..

 

The Mosquito was originally designed as a bomber, with no gunsight. Presumably when they fitted the sight, they decided that it didn't obscure the VSI enough to matter. You shouldn't have to move your head far to see it.

[Strewth]

5 hours ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

Was there any rumor about Jason been seen in the ZOO doing research?

I thought this was a zoo?? ?  

[=621=Samikatz]

1 hour ago, Lofte said:

 

I'd say it looks like display unit of GEE navigation system

 

 

 

I really hope the second seat is useable, and that this works. It would make the Mosquito a truly one-of-a-kind multiplayer simming experience

[BMA_FlyingShark]

14 minutes ago, =621=Samikatz said:

I really hope the second seat is useable, and that this works.

It will probably guide you to the nearest friendly base. I hope we get to choose what base to be guided to in the game one day though, not only with the Mossy but all other planes that have nav equipment on board.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[=TBRIG=The_Tea_Rex]

The clouds look absolutely gorgeous, can't wait to see what they are like in VR ? ?

[Lofte]

48 minutes ago, FlyingShark said:

It will probably guide you to the nearest friendly base.

No, this can do simple direction finder receiving radio beacons signals (this feature already exists in the game). If we talk about GEE system, it could give you your position at 550 km with accuracy 0,4-1 km. So the system can be used for more or less precise blind flights and bomb raids at night and in overcast weather (until enemy jam it).

 

48 minutes ago, FlyingShark said:

I hope we get to choose what base to be guided to in the game one day though, not only with the Mossy but all other planes that have nav equipment on board.

I hope it too. Asked Jason about it 4 or 5 years ago, right after Kuban anounce. Answer was something like - "good idea but there are some problems with it in MP game".

Maybe something will change with radio environment in BoN..

Edited October 15, 2021 by Lofte

[Chief_Mouser]

Well, the new plane.

It won't have four engines, and it won't be something that can't be used on the current maps (inc. Normandy). It's one plane, not a whole new module.

It's unlikely to be just another version of the most numerous, Bf109 or Fw190, and hardly likely to be a Spitfire or Mustang either.

So if it's to be a collector plane then what's going to sell well?

 

Planes that have been repeatedly asked for and are missing from what we have are the I-153, Hs123, Ju87B-2 or D-5, Fw189, A-20G, Do17, DB-3/Il-4, flyable B-25 and B-26. And seaplanes.

Only one fighter on that list and unlikely to be a major draw for a lot of folks, unfortunately. I think I'd like a flyable bomber, and preferably one of the US ones. Or torpedoes and the Ju88A-17. ?

[BlitzPig_EL]

OK, for the maps that we have, or will be getting, here is my list of near term realistic choices for a new flyable...

 

I-153

B-25 (outside chance: B-26, because Jason has reasons)

And two that probably have no chance, but I would love to have:

MC 200

Hs-123

 

See, I can be realistic.

 

Now back to my regularly scheduled fantasy...

 

 

[Gambit21]

5 hours ago, FlyingNutcase said:

Now that's an upbeat DD.

 

And what do we call this beauty - a storm cell? Just curious if turbulence and gusts will be modelled around such weather.

 

 

That's technically referred to as an "ass kickery" cloud formation since it's full of more ass kickery than normal.

 

 

[ilmavoimat]

For my two penn'orth;

 

StuG III Ausf G

Su100

Fieseler Fi156

[oc2209]

4 hours ago, VBF-12_KW said:

AFAIK no, never on the current Rhineland map.  Likewise with the He-162 and Ta152.  The Luftwaffe had basically retreated off the map by the end of March 1945, and the home defense focused units had always been based in the east near Berlin or Leipzig or the Baltic coast.

 

Bad Zwischenahn (Me-163 base) appears to be about 50km away from the northern Bodenplatte cutoff. So it wouldn't be quite that inappropriate (compared to the other two planes).

[rowdyb00t]

   Long shot but I’m going to say it’s a B17. 
Maybe the research was a way to implement the four engines to the sim. Lol. 
Hope I’m right 
 

[=FI=Blue2]

Pretty exciting to see those thunderheads, and all the rest of the clouds look equally amazing.

Just as excited for the rest of the new stuff mentioned.  We have a LOT to look forward to.  After reading Jason's "Officer's Club" posts, I'm even more impressed with how they continue to press forward through so much adversity, while still keeping standards so high.

 

@Jason_Williams I suspect I speak for most of us:  no apologies necessary for running a bit behind on some things here.  Many of us can relate at some level.  Thanks again for the transparency.  We're in your cheering section & wish you the best of luck finding the new team members you need.  Hoping 2022 goes MUCH more smoothly for all of us, particularly the team in Moscow.

[busdriver]

31 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

That's technically referred to as an "ass kickery" cloud formation since it's full of more ass kickery than normal.

 

In certain circles that's known as a nympho-cumulus (a F*%king Rain cloud).

[Rjel]

I'd be all in for a flyable B-26. It's just a very sleek looking airplane. As of now, it makes more sense in the ETO than does the B-25 as it was used in far larger numbers by the USAAF than was the B-25 by the RAF. Then again, if it is the B-25 then obviously that would be a major step towards the MTO or Pacific. At least in my simple train of thought.

 

While it wouldn't seem to warrant a major announcement (or better yet a tease) like today's, I'd guess on the rounded tail Mk IX Spitfire. Anything to eliminate the vision of that pointy tailed monstrosity of a Spitfire we currently have would be most appreciated.

[CUJO_1970]

I will never understand why people never ask for P-38E/F/G/H and early P-47C and early P-47D. These were the US aircraft that did the bulk of the heavy lifting until the last year of the war in the ETO and absolutely nobody ever asks for them.

 

There is a gaping hole in the US fight planeset 1942 to spring 1944 that nobody seems to want to fill and they are right at home on the Normandy map.

 

Absolutely bizarre.

[Gambit21]

19 minutes ago, busdriver said:

 

In certain circles that's known as a nympho-cumulus (a F*%king Rain cloud).

 

In yet other circles it's know as cumuloasskickerus

 

 

[Voyager]

I'm guessing B-25 or B-26. Though I seem to recall the B-25 was less of a research issue, and more of a time and labor issue? 

[US103_Baer]

Clouds look amazing but I think the game-changer will be dynamic weather among with these new clouds. 

It could be that this is taking longer to dev,  so perhaps we'll get the new clouds first and dynamic weather later. 

[SYN_Speck]

Some of those cloud formations would look perfectly natural over the Pacific Ocean... Just my unbiased initial reaction. ?

[=NTAC=Professor_Fate]

Once again, you guys are amazing and the results are top notch! It's like Christmas year round in the IL-2 community!

[Asgar]

At this point I‘d say it’s time for a Axis Collector plane again, the allies got the c47, yak-9 yak9t hurricane …. Axis only got IAR announced in the last months

 

i think it’s safe to say… He 177 is coming ???

Edited October 16, 2021 by Asgar