Developer Diary 293 - Discussion

[Trooper117]

One day, it would be great to choose an allied plane, choose the nationality, and then automatically the pilot, the loadout, the skins, plus the language on the communications would all be matched to that nationality... it just seems a logical and well thought out process that any combat sim would seek to have.

[willeverton]

16 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

One day, it would be great to choose an allied plane, choose the nationality, and then automatically the pilot, the loadout, the skins, plus the language on the communications would all be matched to that nationality... it just seems a logical and well thought out process that any combat sim would seek to have.

This is exactly what I would like to see. I have mentioned this previously. It's great fun setting up a quick mission with the hurricane against 109's and he111's for example, but the experience is ruined not being able to have English radio chatter. 

 

I know it's not in keeping with 100% realism of the sim as the maps wouldnt match the planes exactly but for quick missions and the eagerly anticipated advanced quick missions these sort of options you suggest would be brilliant......

[C6_lefuneste]

59 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

One day, it would be great to choose an allied plane, choose the nationality, and then automatically the pilot, the loadout, the skins, plus the language on the communications would all be matched to that nationality... it just seems a logical and well thought out process that any combat sim would seek to have.

I'm sorry but I do not think so. The only realistic langage is the langage understood by the pilot. If you do not speak german but have communication in german, that's not realistic.

Do you think in real life a pilot who is not able to understand any radio message will be allowed to flight ? And do not tell me reading subtitle of radio message do understand their meaning is realistic. So the only good langage is your own langage, or another you are understanding well enough...So it should be linked to game installation langage, whatever the plane or mission.

 

That's why I use  this mod https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/35315-mod-voice-pack-in-english-for-radio-chatter-v047/

This makes me understand what is said in radio (even if it's not always usefull), as in real life.

 

Edited September 15, 2021 by c6_lefuneste

[JG4_Moltke1871]

Will it be possible equip the Ju88C with BK5?

[Nocke]

36 minutes ago, c6_lefuneste said:

I'm sorry but I do not think so. The only realistic langage is the langage understood by the pilot. If you do not speak german but have communication in german, that's not realistic.

Do you think in real life a pilot who is not able to understand any radio message will be allowed to flight ? And do not tell me reading subtitle of radio message do understand their meaning is realistic. So the only good langage is your own langage, or another you are understanding well enough...So it should be linked to game installation langage, whatever the plane or mission.

 

That's why I use  this mod https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/35315-mod-voice-pack-in-english-for-radio-chatter-v047/

This makes me understand what is said in radio (even if it's not always usefull), as in real life.

 

I'm sorry, but I do not think so

We have the subtitles in your game installation language (I think?).

Listening to pilots talking in the language corresponding to their role is the fun for me.

I don't want e.g. russians speaking english just because my game installation happens to be in that language.

I wouldn't want to miss all those different accents I hear from the allied pilots neither.

But of course ideas vary. Impossible to make it right for everyone.

[BlitzPig_EL]

I have a DF mission where the airbase is set as US, but there are a couple flights of Russian fighters in the air.  When they come in to land they ask for clearance in Russian, and the controller answers back in English.  Hilarious.

[Trooper117]

4 hours ago, c6_lefuneste said:

I'm sorry but I do not think so

 

Did you ever play the old and original IL2... The functionality of all I said was available right there with the old game and why it was never introduced into this version I'll never know, along with a ton of other great features that for some amazing reason were left out of this game... You will notice I said 'game' because it is a flight sim 'game', so you are never going to get 'realism'...

If I was flying for the Germans I'd expect radio comms to be in German for gods sake, it's the bloody Luftwaffe, and reading those comms on my computer screen is ok, because I'm in a 'game', not real life... hello?

[Avimimus]

10 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Did you ever play the old and original IL2... The functionality of all I said was available right there with the old game and why it was never introduced into this version I'll never know, along with a ton of other great features that for some amazing reason were left out of this game... You will notice I said 'game' because it is a flight sim 'game', so you are never going to get 'realism'...

 

So... this game was developed from a different engine... adding a feature costs time and money... often apparently simple features are actually complex to add because they involve many other different systems and sections of code...

 

There are a lot of features from sims in the 1990s that worked but aren't found in modern simulations - they either weren't thought of or weren't prioritised during development because there were higher priorities (e.g. keeping the game from crashing, flight models)... going back and adding them later can be difficult and time-consuming, and the developers need to focus on features that bring in sales.

 

If anyone thinks it is easy to just add features to existing code - I suggest you try it - in this case, learn some German and Russian... problem solved!

[Trooper117]

2 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

If anyone thinks it is easy to just add features to existing code - I suggest you try it - in this case, learn some German and Russian... problem solved!

 

You need to reread my post, because all that gumph you have just come out with has nothing to do with it.

[Avimimus]

Just now, Trooper117 said:

You need to reread my post, because all that gumph you have just come out with has nothing to do with it.

 

Was I gumphy? Honestly, I don't think I understood your post then... and re-reading it hasn't improved the situation. So I guess my reading comprehension just isn't up to standard this morning.

[Trooper117]

In case anyone thinks I'm having a go at their favourite game, I'm not... I've been a follower and a fan of all things Il2 since Oleg created it years ago, and I've bought everything IL2 since.

There are many aspects of the original that made it one of the defining flight sim games of the time... sadly, many of those aspects didn't make it into the new generation now known as IL2 Great Battles.

Luckily for us, Jason got his hands on it and has had his own battle changing BoS to what we see now, and what a transformation it has been... that said, there are still aspects within the game that were in the original that have not made it into the current game... now that doesn't mean they won't be.

For those of us that have been here since the start, Jason has indicated more than once that some of that functionality with the old IL2 could be looked at at some stage and for many things he has indicated he would like to do it, but budgets, time constraints, the need for more staff etc and many other factors will curtail stuff... 

 

Certain posters seem to think in my previous posts above I was somehow demanding something must be done, or that I'd indicated it was simple to do, or that I should try adding these features myself???

Anyhow... I have many flight sim games, I get enjoyment from them all, and especially this one.

If you are a mega fan of GB, so am I, but try not to get bent out of shape because you may have thought I was having a dig at your favourite love child  

[Avimimus]

For the record - I don't think anyone whose seen your many years of involvement in the community and enthusiasm for this series could doubt that you are a fan.

[Trooper117]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

For the record - I don't think anyone whose seen your many years of involvement in the community and enthusiasm for this series could doubt that you are a fan.

 

I may even be a fanboi... (oh bollox)

[BlitzPig_EL]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

I may even be a fanboi... (oh bollox)

+1

[ST_Catchov]

3 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

I may even be a fanboi... (oh bollox)

 

 You are a fanbois yet you dare to criticize. It's not the done thing old boy. Shoulders back, eyes ahead, smarten up.

[Imperator_TFD]

14 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

I have a DF mission where the airbase is set as US, but there are a couple flights of Russian fighters in the air.  When they come in to land they ask for clearance in Russian, and the controller answers back in English.  Hilarious.

 

This is because the airfield would probably be set to either US or British which speak in English.  If the airfield is set to Soviet they'll speak Russian.

[BlitzPig_EL]

I know, I did it on purpose.

 

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[grcurmudgeon]

I have an ultra wide monitor, and no looking down at the lower-left corner to read the tiny text of what my flightmate said is NOT a good replacement for hearing him speak the language I understand, especially when I'm in a dogfight and am looking elsewhere. And I should not have to go hunt down a mod to understand them.

 

Of course we're missing other useful cues like "I see some planes 10km away, I think I'll go check them out", so sure I guess they are mostly window dressing. It could be a useful feature, instead it's just atmosphere.

[76IAP-Black]

The only Thing il2 1946 is still ahead of GB, is the feel and control over the wingmen and their behaviour.

 

I have never the feeling of flying in a squat with capable wingmen in GB, it is more like being alone in the air with a few friendly airplanes somewhere around, doing their thing.

 

Thats a point that could be adressed in the future.

[Beebop]

On 9/15/2021 at 7:37 PM, Imperator_TFD said:

When they come in to land they ask for clearance in Russian, and the controller answers back in English.

The controllers are CIA operatives which is why they understand Russian so well. ?

[BlitzPig_EL]

Or they are NKVD and testing their pilots loyalty.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

7 hours ago, 76IAP-Black said:

The only Thing il2 1946 is still ahead of GB, is the feel and control over the wingmen and their behaviour.

One other thing is radio navigation.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Beebop]

4 minutes ago, FlyingShark said:

One other thing is radio navigation.

Not all planes were equipped with radios, at least on the Russian side.  In many ways Russian planes were just biplanes with one wing removed.  Cockpits were austere, not even cupholders! ?

[BMA_FlyingShark]

41 minutes ago, Beebop said:

Not all planes were equipped with radios, at least on the Russian side.

That's true but German and most other Allied planes were.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[ShampooX]

Jason when can we get some new Tank cammo/skins in the game?  There are some great user skins you can base the in-game versions on.  I think Tank Crew game buyers represent your fastest growing business segment no?

[Ala13_UnopaUno_VR]

1 hour ago, EvilButtmaster said:

Jason, ¿cuándo podemos obtener nuevos cammo / máscaras de tanque en el juego? Hay algunas máscaras de usuario geniales en las que puedes basar las versiones del juego. Creo que los compradores de juegos de Tank Crew representan su segmento de negocios de más rápido crecimiento, ¿no?

This would undoubtedly be a great addiction, at least green camouflages for German tanks, or at least 5 per official tank to give variety with the seasons of the year.+1

[migmadmarine]

30 minutes ago, Ala13_UnopaUno_VR said:

This would undoubtedly be a great addiction, at least green camouflages for German tanks, or at least 5 per official tank to give variety with the seasons of the year.+1

Why green camouflages for the German tanks? Olivegrun was not an authorized base color till into 45, and even then it was never widely adopted. 

[JG27_Mainz]

Very excited to see how the new Ju 88 turns out!

[Ala13_UnopaUno_VR]

1 hour ago, migmadmarine said:

¿Por qué camuflajes verdes para los tanques alemanes? Olivegrun no fue un color base autorizado hasta los 45 años, e incluso entonces nunca se adoptó ampliamente. 

You can tell I'm new to The Tank Crew, right? Haha, thanks for that historical contribution, I did not know it, it was just curious to see that the German schemes being so light beige are very Easy to spot and recognize on greenish terrain, but without a doubt if it was so historically, I withdraw what was said, h Now with the arrival of Normandy, I am curious if there will be official skins for this part, or simply see more variety, like the planes that have official skins for zones of Conflict that we still do not have

Edited September 18, 2021 by Ala13_UnopaUno_VR

[ShampooX]

22 hours ago, migmadmarine said:

Why green camouflages for the German tanks? Olivegrun was not an authorized base color till into 45, and even then it was never widely adopted. 

For starters it was not called Olivegrun..maybe it was in the DAK.  In Russia it was called Dunkelgrun and Rotbraun and they were both available in large quantity mid 1943 onwards - on both Fronts.  And, well before Kursk on which TC is based.  And you are insane if you think any "grun" was not authorized until 1945.  I can send you thousands of pics, including the death pick of Wittmans 007 in Normandy where not only green, but brown was in wide, wide, wide utilization.  Please do you homework.

[migmadmarine]

Look, lets no derail this thread, but I did say "as a base color" as in the color that the others were painted over. And RAL6003 as authorized as a part of the three tone camouflage system was known as Olivgrun among several names (pardon the misspelling as I've not memorized the keyboard shortcuts for typing umlauts.)  I'm well aware of the use of green and red-brown in camoflage patterns and considered mentioning it especially in terms of the mid 44 onwards factory schemes, but figured, you know, that wouldn't be really moving the conversation along usefully at the moment.

 

Edited September 19, 2021 by migmadmarine

[Beebop]

3 hours ago, EvilButtmaster said:

And you are insane if you think any "grun" was not authorized until 1945.  I can send you thousands of pics, including the death pick of Wittmans 007 in Normandy where not only green, but brown was in wide, wide, wide utilization.  Please do you homework.

Relax man.  Not all of us are the "experts" in military color that you are.  Some of us may not be the most knowledgeable people here but a lack of through, detailed knowledge doesn't make one "insane" as you suggest.

And by the way, the dog ate my homework.

 

(one thing you did get right, your choice of handles)

Edited September 19, 2021 by Beebop

[Ala13_UnopaUno_VR]

Without derailing, we would like more skins for the TC please! Green brown ... more variety officially. ???

[migmadmarine]

Yea, I'd be game to see more camos included officially, especially as there was so much variety during the 43-mid 44 period, with them being applied by maintaince units and crews in the field. 

 

But as I can't help myself, here is a reprint of H.M. 1943S.133 Nr. 181 calling RAL 6003 Olivgrün: 

[LukeFF]

So, I guess this discussion is now about everything but the topic of the DD entry. ?

[BlitzPig_EL]

It always goes that way Luke.

 

A social anthropologist would have a field day studying this forum. 

[BraveSirRobin]

8 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

It always goes that way Luke.

 

A social anthropologist would have a field day studying this forum. 

If I was working on my masters dissertation I would absolutely use this forum as my target subject.  Low hanging fruit.  The paper would practically write itself.

[Reinhardt]

That late war camo is just ?. This will be a great aircraft for long range ground/ naval attacks! I already love the 88 A2, I cant wait for this C6. 

[migmadmarine]

Certainly looking forward to seeing what the skins included with it will be. 

 

[UFA_Bagel]

On 9/19/2021 at 9:28 PM, LukeFF said:

So, I guess this discussion is now about everything but the topic of the DD entry. ?

No DD last Friday, no discussion.