Developer Diary 291 - Discussion

[Cleo9]

11 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

You cannot have separate voices for the RCAF squadrons. It's one set of voice files for every country in the game, and so all RAF squadrons fall under the heading of Great Britain. 

Pretty sure that Romanian and Italian squadrons were under Luftwaffe command, ultimately, but the pilots interacted using their own language... Pretty sure that most Normandie-Niemen pilots did not speak Russian very fluently, at least early on during the campaign... and they spoke French between themselves. It all has to do with the way you program/codify your game. If you consider the possibility to have Italian and Romanian voice packs, it should not be an overwhelming issue to modify the "Canadian" voice pack....

Edited September 5, 2021 by Cleo9

[LukeFF]

5 minutes ago, Cleo9 said:

It all has to do with the way you program your game

 

Yes, and as I just told you, ALL squadrons under a particular national category use the same language audio files. The one Italian and the one Romanian units we have in the game are outliers that will hopefully one day have their own country listing and hence voice files.

 

That, and it would be impractical to put the Canadian squadrons into their own nation, since there were Canadian pilots in non Royal Canadian Air Force squadrons. If they did that, then the player wouldn't be able to transfer from a Canadian squadron to a British squadron. 

Edited September 5, 2021 by LukeFF

[BraveSirRobin]

5 minutes ago, Cleo9 said:

 

Then it should be possible with RCAF squadron also...eventually.. Same principle

Do you want a particular Canadian accent?  Or maybe French Canadian?

 

Seriously, I’m pissed off that the American voices don’t include regional accents, and I’m pretty sure I’m not alone.

 

Just kidding.  I don’t give a f@@k what the comms sound like.

[Cleo9]

17 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Yes, and as I just told you, ALL squadrons under a particular national category use the same language audio files. The one Italian and the one Romanian units we have in the game are outliers that will hopefully one day have their own country listing and hence voice files.

 

That, and it would be impractical to put the Canadian squadrons into their own nation, since there were Canadian pilots in non Royal Canadian Air Force squadrons. If they did that, then the player wouldn't be able to transfer from a Canadian squadron to a British squadron. 

 

It should not be impractical, because the same logic applies re : specific voice files... But you have a major point : transfers were more than common between Commonwealth nations, so this would make things awkward. At the same time, I'm wondering : if you develop voice files for, let's say, Italian pilots, does that mean that they would not be able to transfer to German squadrons ? Which they can do now (Yes I know, the game identify them as Germans..) ? Although this is historically quite improbable ??? 

Edited September 5, 2021 by Cleo9

[LukeFF]

12 minutes ago, Cleo9 said:

At the same time, I'm wondering : if you develop voice files for, let's say, Italian pilots, does that mean that they would not be able to transfer to German squadrons ? Which they can do now ? Although this is historically quite improbable ??? 

 

Yes, the only reason you can transfer from an MC202 squadron to a Luftwaffe squadron is because there is no nation of Italy in the game. I can understand why it was done like that at the time - it's a lot of work recording radio calls and researching and creating artwork for medals and ranks, and to do all that for just one plane doesn't make a lot of sense. 

 

So yes, that is a long way of saying, if and when we get an Italian pilot and voices, it'll mean a true separate career from all the "real" German units. 

Edited September 5, 2021 by LukeFF

[Cleo9]

43 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Yes, the only reason you can transfer from an MC202 squadron to a Luftwaffe squadron is because there is no nation of Italy in the game. I can understand why it was done like that at the time - it's a lot of work recording radio calls and researching and creating artwork for medals and ranks, and to do all that for just one plane doesn't make a lot of sense. 

 

So yes, that is a long way of saying, if and when we get an Italian pilot and voices, it'll mean a true separate career from all the "real" German units. 

 

Thank you for your kind answer. I know I can be very inquisitive and insistent, but when you are specific with your questions, you get specific answers... The work your team is doing is incredible. Not easy to please everybody while at the same time trying to reach an international public and make money

[Avimimus]

13 hours ago, Cleo9 said:

Regarding English Canadian voices... The use of British voices for RCAF squadrons is not necessarily very adequate. American voices might have been a better choice ? Not sure, I am not a native English speaker myself, but I am Canadian and I see more phonetic similarities between the English spoken, let's say, in New England, and the one spoken, let's say again, in Ontario.

 

Most American accents are very distinctive to a Canadian Anglophone... so they'd likely come off wrong... so I suppose there is room for a generic Canadian anglophone voice... it does sound like quite a bit of work though. There is also some variation (leaving out the rather stunning accents Newfoundland - there is still a more nasal western accent with pitch raising at the ends of sentences - making everything sound like a question; and the old Ottawa Valley / Eastern Ontario speech is considered a separate dialect of English). So, I could see a mix of a Saskatchewan/Manitoban voice actor and a generic Ontarian forming a squadron.

 

But... to be honest... I'm pretty glad to have any Canadian representation at all - and if it means we end up having British accents... well... it is worth it... I'm just glad we get a mention and some Commonwealth aircraft.

 

Still, accents are fun to talk about/appreciate... and I do have a soft spot for the Québecois - including the 'less proper' accents I grew up with... (i.e. not the ones on the radio).

 

13 hours ago, LukeFF said:

You cannot have separate voices for the RCAF squadrons. It's one set of voice files for every country in the game, and so all RAF squadrons fall under the heading of Great Britain. 

 

Ah - yeah, all the RCAF squadrons are treated as RAF squadrons... British equipment and pilots etc.

 

 

12 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Yes, the only reason you can transfer from an MC202 squadron to a Luftwaffe squadron is because there is no nation of Italy in the game. I can understand why it was done like that at the time - it's a lot of work recording radio calls and researching and creating artwork for medals and ranks, and to do all that for just one plane doesn't make a lot of sense. 

 

So yes, that is a long way of saying, if and when we get an Italian pilot and voices, it'll mean a true separate career from all the "real" German units. 

 

At least this should be pretty feasible with the Romanians... IAR-80, IAR-81, Bf-109G, Ju-87... should give some variety for transfers.

 

 

 

 

  

On 8/31/2021 at 12:45 PM, SeaSerpent said:

That’s interesting about a torpedo data computer in airplanes.   I had assumed that torpedo planes of that era just relied on the pilot to estimate the geometry by eye and experience.   Do you mean some elaborate mechanical thing, or are you talking about some very simple handheld slider or whizwheel?

 

Yes... pick up a copy of Il-2 1946 sometime (it is ~$3 on sale these days - which is amazing)... load it up and try the torpedo bombers... some of the last patches for the game made torpedo bombing more realistic - you'll find everything from just using a best guess for aiming... to sliders to input range and speed of the target... to a TDC allowing one to input spread for the torpedoes (and other values).

 

Depending on the country and the time period things changed a lot (similar to the move from wire sights to American Norden bombing computers and German CCIP sights during the war)... unfortunately for us, the Germans tended to be the most elaborate when it came to including a full TDC... so it'd take quite a bit of work.

[Noisemaker]

14 hours ago, LukeFF said:

That, and it would be impractical to put the Canadian squadrons into their own nation, since there were Canadian pilots in non Royal Canadian Air Force squadrons. If they did that, then the player wouldn't be able to transfer from a Canadian squadron to a British squadron. 

So, maybe there should be some Canadian accents in the RAF voice pack since we were flying in RAF squadrons?

[sevenless]

23 minutes ago, Noisemaker said:

So, maybe there should be some Canadian accents in the RAF voice pack since we were flying in RAF squadrons?

 

That could easily open up a can of worms, because we already have canadian, australian, south-african, norwegian, polish, french, belgian, dutch, czech squadrons (hope I haven´t forgotten a nationality) in the game flying for 2nd TAF on the Rhineland map.

[cardboard_killer]

Well . . . German's don't all speak the same German. And the Soviet empire was, well, an empire. And who wouldn't want to hear a Jamaican accent while flying a spit?

[Noisemaker]

1 hour ago, sevenless said:

 

That could easily open up a can of worms, because we already have canadian, australian, south-african, norwegian, polish, french, belgian, dutch, czech squadrons (hope I haven´t forgotten a nationality) in the game flying for 2nd TAF on the Rhineland map.

I was speaking of course, about the mixed RAF squadrons which from the beginning and throughout the war had many Commonwealth volounteers, not the nationally segregated ones under the 2nd TAF, but so be it, can of worms opened.  Let's hear our English in all of its dialectical beauty!

That said, even though I don't fly German, I'd also love to hear a Schwäbisch or Allemanisch dialect/accent when I tune into the German radio.

[sevenless]

Just now, Noisemaker said:

That said, even though I don't fly German, I'd also love to hear a Schwäbisch or Allemanisch dialect/accent when I tune into the German radio.

 

LOL!

 

Host mi. Luja! sog i, Luja! Kloana Kniabiesler!...?

[Noisemaker]

9 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

LOL!

 

Host mi. Luja! sog i, Luja! Kloana Kniabiesler!...?

Whoa, whoa, no one said anything about Bayrisch.  No one understands that. 

 

[sevenless]

8 minutes ago, Noisemaker said:

Whoa, whoa, no one said anything about Bayrisch.  No one understands that. 

 

 

Ok, one more for the fun of it. And this one is no boarisch...If your wingman isn´t doing what told...

 

"Da gönndsch misch offräschn! Du sollsd dä Läffl uffschbärrn!"

[Noisemaker]

15 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

Ok, one more for the fun of it. And this one is no boarisch...If your wingman isn´t doing what told...

 

"Da gönndsch misch offräschn! Du sollsd dä Läffl uffschbärrn!"

Oof, Sächsisch!

I've just had my first contact with the dialect in the last few weeks, doing sound for Rose Bernd in the theatre I work at.  That's a tough nut to crack.

[Bremspropeller]

1 hour ago, Noisemaker said:

Oof, Sächsisch!

I've just had my first contact with the dialect in the last few weeks, doing sound for Rose Bernd in the theatre I work at.  That's a tough nut to crack.

 

Spoiler

 

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

I just wish the Germans would stop screaming on the radio all the time.

 

Too much Pervitin in the ration kits methinks.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

On 9/5/2021 at 4:34 AM, LukeFF said:

 

Yes, the only reason you can transfer from an MC202 squadron to a Luftwaffe squadron is because there is no nation of Italy in the game. I can understand why it was done like that at the time - it's a lot of work recording radio calls and researching and creating artwork for medals and ranks, and to do all that for just one plane doesn't make a lot of sense. 

 

So yes, that is a long way of saying, if and when we get an Italian pilot and voices, it'll mean a true separate career from all the "real" German units. 

In fact, there *is* a nation of Italy in the game. Country code 202. True, it's not as fleshed out as the other countries, and currently not playable in any of the careers, but it's there all right.

 

11 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

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I have to say, as a Dutchman it sounds much more natural to me. Probably similar to how I sound when I speak German, lol.

(Though it is a bit harder for me to understand, but that's just because I was taught standard German in high school. It does sound like it'd be easier for me to pick up.)

[Noisemaker]

11 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

I have to say, as a Dutchman it sounds much more natural to me. Probably similar to how I sound when I speak German, lol.

(Though it is a bit harder for me to understand, but that's just because I was taught standard German in high school. It does sound like it'd be easier for me to pick up.)

You did catch that that was a smorgasbord of different dialects, right?

[56RAF_Stickz]

On 9/5/2021 at 5:52 PM, sevenless said:

 

That could easily open up a can of worms, because we already have canadian, australian, south-african, norwegian, polish, french, belgian, dutch, czech squadrons (hope I haven´t forgotten a nationality) in the game flying for 2nd TAF on the Rhineland map.

just wait til the welsh, Irish and Scots get their hands on you

[AEthelraedUnraed]

3 hours ago, Noisemaker said:

You did catch that that was a smorgasbord of different dialects, right?

Dunno, just listened to the 1st 30s or so 

 

Anyhow, those first 30 seconds sounded pretty natural to me. Now you say it, there's indeed clearly 2 dialects in those 30s. The first sounds to me like German spoken by a native speaker of standard Dutch (perhaps even eastern Dutch, where I was born and raised), the second like German spoken by someone from the southern Netherlands (where I've lived for the past decade). Somehow, I do find both variants to sound easier than "proper" German. I feel a bit stupid for not having picked it up sooner, but I blame it on both dialects not sounding especially strange to me

 

When he moves south immediately afterwards though, it does get messy though. Is that even German?

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8 hours ago, 56RAF_Stickz said:

just wait til the welsh, Irish and Scots get their hands on you

 
Yes, but they’re all slurring their words for some reason, so I can’t tell them apart.

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[Irishratticus72]

59 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

 

 
Yes, but they’re all slurring their words for some reason, so I can’t tell them apart.

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Antifreeze ain't just for engines, yo. 

[Noisemaker]

9 hours ago, Irishratticus72 said:

Antifreeze ain't just for engines, yo. 

Whoa, whoa, whoa...

Now we're getting into negative stereotypes.

After how many years of subjection, our lot first on the line, "do, or die?" and you expect us to just trust the English?  Obviously, we had to test it first.

[Irishratticus72]

21 minutes ago, Noisemaker said:

Whoa, whoa, whoa...

Now we're getting into negative stereotypes.

After how many years of subjection, our lot first on the line, "do, or die?" and you expect us to just trust the English?  Obviously, we had to test it first.

Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason, now, if you'll excuse me, I have some Potatoes to harvest. And some whiskey to drink. Begorrah, I do love me potatoes. 

Edited September 7, 2021 by Irishratticus72

[BlitzPig_EL]

The British Empire was won at the point of a Scottish bayonet, yes?

[Irishratticus72]

2 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

The British Empire was won at the point of a Scottish bayonet, yes?

And a few Paddies sticking a knife into the exposed backsides. 

[DD_Arthur]

8 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

The British Empire was won at the point of a Scottish bayonet, yes?

 

The Battle of Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton and in the slums of London, Glasgow and Dublin.

 

However, get a map out and anywhere you find a border that has a straight line, it’s odds on a Scotsman drew it up.