greybeard_52 Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 Hi all, I've problems getting a comfortable antialiasing, like that I was accustomed with in IL-2 1946 (a simple 4x, but external, since that game didn't have an internal AA - on the contrary of this, which does not allow any AA set by NVidia Control Panel). Attached you may find the visual annoyance I'm experiencing, my video settings and specs. Thanks for any help.
Team Fusion Buzzsaw Posted June 30, 2021 Team Fusion Posted June 30, 2021 I would recommend checking your video card settings to make sure those settings are compliant with your settings in the game... over-ride your default video card settings in favour of the game settings. This is the most likely cause of the problem. Or you could try a different version of AA other than SMAA... there are several options.
greybeard_52 Posted July 1, 2021 Author Posted July 1, 2021 7 hours ago, Buzzsaw said: several options ? I see only two: FXAA and SMAA... 7 hours ago, Buzzsaw said: over-ride your default video card settings in favour of the game settings I don't have a customized profile for CloD, just use Global Settings, which leave to application the control. What can be wrong in the Global Settings that affects game?
Team Fusion Buzzsaw Posted July 1, 2021 Team Fusion Posted July 1, 2021 I don't know what your global settings are for your video card, so I can't tell you. But there is something in your settings which is causing this problem. Other people do not get this. Are you running the latest drivers? Would suggest you also look at changing your refresh rate to 59/60 hz. You could also try unchecking Vsync. It may take some experimentation to get the result you want.
greybeard_52 Posted July 1, 2021 Author Posted July 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Buzzsaw said: I don't know what your global settings are for your video card, so I can't tell you. Didn't you see the three images I posted in my previous post? THOSE are my Global Settings. 2 hours ago, Buzzsaw said: Other people do not get this. I noticed it in the videos - that's why I tried to ask. 2 hours ago, Buzzsaw said: It may take some experimentation to get the result you want. Of course. But it also takes some targeted suggestions, because otherwise the number of possible attempts and combinations is infinite.
9./JG52_J-HAT Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, greybeard_52 said: ? I see only two: FXAA and SMAA... Next to that there is an option for Settings (right of where you select FXAA/MSAA in your screenshot in the first post). Open it and try out the different settings. But I see you already have it pretty high. I have it at SMAA with Edge Detection = Color and Preset = High. No shimmering. AA in NCP is set to application controlled. Another thing I can think of is resolution. Is the game set to your monitor‘s native resolution? I sometimes run it in 1080p on my 1440p monitor. It looks bad. Edited July 1, 2021 by 9./JG52_J-HAT
greybeard_52 Posted July 1, 2021 Author Posted July 1, 2021 Thanks for your comments. 6 hours ago, 9./JG52_J-HAT said: I have it at SMAA with Edge Detection = Color and Preset = High. No shimmering. I tried "High", but, as might be expected, got worse. 6 hours ago, 9./JG52_J-HAT said: Is the game set to your monitor‘s native resolution? As shown above, I set up DSR, which brings the 1440p super-resolution back to the native 1080p of my screen. I'm afraid there is absolutely nothing to be done in my case. It's a shame, because I really like this game: for the sounds, the self-shadowing, the clickable cockpit, the flight models (apart from the take-off!) and the damage models, the existence of Italian aircraft and the related speech ( even if, as an Italian, I can't understand much), the LODs hit the spot (seeing in BoS the bombs under the wings that appear and disappear across the 250 meter threshold is one of those things that makes me say "yuck!" ), and so on.
9./JG52_J-HAT Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 29 minutes ago, greybeard_52 said: Thanks for your comments. I tried "High", but, as might be expected, got worse. As shown above, I set up DSR, which brings the 1440p super-resolution back to the native 1080p of my screen. I'm afraid there is absolutely nothing to be done in my case. It's a shame, because I really like this game: for the sounds, the self-shadowing, the clickable cockpit, the flight models (apart from the take-off!) and the damage models, the existence of Italian aircraft and the related speech ( even if, as an Italian, I can't understand much), the LODs hit the spot (seeing in BoS the bombs under the wings that appear and disappear across the 250 meter threshold is one of those things that makes me say "yuck!" ), and so on. I see. To be honest I hadn‘t realized that was what you were using. I‘ve never used DSR in CloD so don‘t know if the game handles it well or not. Have you tried setting the in-game resolution to your monitor‘s and disabling dynamic scale resolution in NCP? Maybe try it to compare if it is any better? Or adjust the smoothness until you get something that is more acceptable?
greybeard_52 Posted July 1, 2021 Author Posted July 1, 2021 5 hours ago, 9./JG52_J-HAT said: I‘ve never used DSR in CloD so don‘t know if the game handles it well or not. It handles DSR superbly. 5 hours ago, 9./JG52_J-HAT said: Have you tried setting the in-game resolution to your monitor‘s and disabling dynamic scale resolution in NCP? Yes, I have. I started just from there. I enabled DSR later, gaining a significant improvement in image quality. 5 hours ago, 9./JG52_J-HAT said: Or adjust the smoothness until you get something that is more acceptable? I tested (besides the default 33%) 0% and 100%. Needless to say that 0% was worse, whilst 100% "blurred" the shimmering jaggies, but I could still see them under the "blur".?
9./JG52_J-HAT Posted July 2, 2021 Posted July 2, 2021 Bummer… I‘m afraid I can‘t think of anything else… One thing I noticed though in my game is that when I paise to look at the plane (like your screenshot) I see the same as you do, with the pointed out jaggies and shimmering. But when the picture is moving, there is no problem with it. At least I don‘t notice it.
Team Fusion Buzzsaw Posted July 3, 2021 Team Fusion Posted July 3, 2021 On 7/1/2021 at 9:28 AM, greybeard_52 said: Thanks for your comments. I tried "High", but, as might be expected, got worse. As shown above, I set up DSR, which brings the 1440p super-resolution back to the native 1080p of my screen. I'm afraid there is absolutely nothing to be done in my case. It's a shame, because I really like this game: for the sounds, the self-shadowing, the clickable cockpit, the flight models (apart from the take-off!) and the damage models, the existence of Italian aircraft and the related speech ( even if, as an Italian, I can't understand much), the LODs hit the spot (seeing in BoS the bombs under the wings that appear and disappear across the 250 meter threshold is one of those things that makes me say "yuck!" ), and so on. The 'jaggies' you mention are not to be expected in the game... as mentioned most people do not have this problem. Considering you have a system which is sufficient to run the game, there is something else which is causing this problem. You say '...there is nothing to be done...', I very much doubt that is the case. Your system is not unusual or out of the ordinary. So the problem is a question of finding what in your setup is incorrect. Do you have any third party video software program running when you play? A program which 'enhances' video or adds something? See this thread to determine what programs are running:
greybeard_52 Posted July 4, 2021 Author Posted July 4, 2021 Thanks for your hints. 17 hours ago, Buzzsaw said: Do you have any third party video software program running when you play? A program which 'enhances' video or adds something? Nothing I'm aware of. Oddly enough, both other games of the IL-2 series ('46 and BoS) do not have issues of this kind, like CoD. Here follow the list I got following your instruction: Microsoft Windows [Versione 10.0.19041.610] (c) 2020 Microsoft Corporation. Tutti i diritti sono riservati. C:\Users\leon9>tasklist/svc Nome immagine PID Servizi ========================= ======== ============================================ System Idle Process 0 N/D System 4 N/D Registry 108 N/D smss.exe 432 N/D csrss.exe 680 N/D wininit.exe 896 N/D csrss.exe 904 N/D services.exe 976 N/D lsass.exe 992 KeyIso, SamSs, VaultSvc winlogon.exe 424 N/D svchost.exe 772 PlugPlay svchost.exe 788 BrokerInfrastructure, DcomLaunch, Power, SystemEventsBroker fontdrvhost.exe 824 N/D fontdrvhost.exe 828 N/D svchost.exe 72 RpcEptMapper, RpcSs svchost.exe 1068 LSM dwm.exe 1132 N/D svchost.exe 1264 Schedule svchost.exe 1292 NcbService svchost.exe 1328 TimeBrokerSvc svchost.exe 1408 CoreMessagingRegistrar svchost.exe 1416 ProfSvc svchost.exe 1476 EventLog svchost.exe 1528 UserManager svchost.exe 1668 nsi WUDFHost.exe 1728 N/D svchost.exe 1740 Dhcp NVDisplay.Container.exe 1844 NVDisplay.ContainerLocalSystem svchost.exe 1860 DispBrokerDesktopSvc svchost.exe 1908 NlaSvc AsusCertService.exe 2024 AsusCertService svchost.exe 2036 netprofm svchost.exe 2148 Themes svchost.exe 2156 EventSystem wsc_proxy.exe 2164 AvastWscReporter NVDisplay.Container.exe 2208 N/D svchost.exe 2268 SENS svchost.exe 2348 AudioEndpointBuilder svchost.exe 2356 FontCache svchost.exe 2544 Winmgmt svchost.exe 2716 CDPUserSvc_29775 sihost.exe 2732 N/D svchost.exe 2888 TokenBroker taskhostw.exe 3000 N/D svchost.exe 2392 StateRepository svchost.exe 1812 TabletInputService ctfmon.exe 3084 N/D svchost.exe 3220 Audiosrv atkexComSvc.exe 3284 asComSvc svchost.exe 3548 Dnscache explorer.exe 3712 N/D svchost.exe 3756 ShellHWDetection svchost.exe 3920 CDPSvc svchost.exe 4004 RmSvc svchost.exe 4040 cbdhsvc_29775 svchost.exe 3408 LanmanServer svchost.exe 3416 NgcSvc svchost.exe 4116 NgcCtnrSvc svchost.exe 4148 BFE, mpssvc svchost.exe 4372 iphlpsvc StartMenuExperienceHost.e 4744 N/D RuntimeBroker.exe 4948 N/D SearchApp.exe 5060 N/D SearchIndexer.exe 5092 WSearch RuntimeBroker.exe 4868 N/D SettingSyncHost.exe 5384 N/D svchost.exe 5720 DusmSvc svchost.exe 5728 Wcmsvc LockApp.exe 5788 N/D RuntimeBroker.exe 5952 N/D svchost.exe 5988 WlanSvc RuntimeBroker.exe 5380 N/D AvastSvc.exe 5488 avast! Antivirus svchost.exe 6220 BthAvctpSvc svchost.exe 6336 DeviceAssociationService aswToolsSvc.exe 6392 avast! Tools spoolsv.exe 6572 Spooler svchost.exe 6640 LanmanWorkstation armsvc.exe 6708 AdobeARMservice svchost.exe 6716 CryptSvc svchost.exe 6724 DPS svchost.exe 6736 IKEEXT OfficeClickToRun.exe 6764 ClickToRunSvc svchost.exe 6812 WpnService svchost.exe 6820 TrkWks svchost.exe 6924 WdiServiceHost aswEngSrv.exe 6036 N/D svchost.exe 7328 wscsvc aswidsagent.exe 7424 aswbIDSAgent unsecapp.exe 7860 N/D GoogleCrashHandler.exe 7988 N/D GoogleCrashHandler64.exe 7996 N/D SecurityHealthSystray.exe 8568 N/D SecurityHealthService.exe 8604 SecurityHealthService AvastUI.exe 8748 N/D Greenshot.exe 8780 N/D dllhost.exe 8824 N/D RtkNGUI64.exe 8928 N/D JoyToKey.exe 9120 N/D svchost.exe 9132 PcaSvc jusched.exe 9212 N/D IAStorIcon.exe 6552 N/D svchost.exe 1600 SSDPSRV svchost.exe 8364 OneSyncSvc_29775, PimIndexMaintenanceSvc_29775, UnistoreSvc_29775, UserDataSvc_29775 IAStorDataMgrSvc.exe 6560 IAStorDataMgrSvc SgrmBroker.exe 8108 SgrmBroker svchost.exe 1300 StorSvc svchost.exe 2380 UsoSvc AvastUI.exe 3188 N/D AvastUI.exe 5040 N/D AvastUI.exe 5552 N/D TextInputHost.exe 3200 N/D CompPkgSrv.exe 3080 N/D UserOOBEBroker.exe 8316 N/D SDXHelper.exe 6196 N/D svchost.exe 7452 lfsvc steam.exe 8084 N/D steamwebhelper.exe 5300 N/D SteamService.exe 2572 Steam Client Service steamwebhelper.exe 6884 N/D steamwebhelper.exe 4912 N/D steamwebhelper.exe 2172 N/D steamwebhelper.exe 4812 N/D steamwebhelper.exe 1260 N/D steamwebhelper.exe 3556 N/D dllhost.exe 4316 N/D svchost.exe 5704 WinHttpAutoProxySvc svchost.exe 1244 LicenseManager svchost.exe 3768 InstallService svchost.exe 8080 DsSvc svchost.exe 6520 lmhosts svchost.exe 7444 wuauserv svchost.exe 8140 WpnUserService_29775 svchost.exe 3964 camsvc smartscreen.exe 3620 N/D firefox.exe 2908 N/D firefox.exe 2724 N/D svchost.exe 9372 AppXSvc firefox.exe 3652 N/D firefox.exe 5228 N/D firefox.exe 8012 N/D firefox.exe 9464 N/D firefox.exe 3036 N/D svchost.exe 1308 wlidsvc cmd.exe 6784 N/D conhost.exe 9988 N/D tasklist.exe 9300 N/D WmiPrvSE.exe 9848 N/D
greybeard_52 Posted July 4, 2021 Author Posted July 4, 2021 As a sidenote, it looks I'm not alone! Looking at one of the numerous video about this game on Youtube, I noticed first one attached, where I highlighted the very same issue I have. I think that many simply don't notice it! I may add that it looks to me much more pronounced on old plane 3D models (like Bf-110), while it can be barely noticed on the recent ones (e.g.: Spitfire Vb). In the second image attached, you can't notice any visual defect; I think this latter is recorded by a professional which, in addition to very close-ups of planes (that obviously look great), used some trick to smooth aircraft profiles, without making them too "blurry".
Team Fusion Buzzsaw Posted July 4, 2021 Team Fusion Posted July 4, 2021 6 hours ago, greybeard_52 said: As a sidenote, it looks I'm not alone! Looking at one of the numerous video about this game on Youtube, I noticed first one attached, where I highlighted the very same issue I have. I think that many simply don't notice it! I may add that it looks to me much more pronounced on old plane 3D models (like Bf-110), while it can be barely noticed on the recent ones (e.g.: Spitfire Vb). In the second image attached, you can't notice any visual defect; I think this latter is recorded by a professional which, in addition to very close-ups of planes (that obviously look great), used some trick to smooth aircraft profiles, without making them too "blurry". Many CLIFFS videos on the internet date from before we added AA to the game. Prior to AA, these types of effects were common. So even though you can see examples on youtube, that doesn't mean when the player uses AA in an up to date version of the game you will see these commonly.
Team Fusion Buzzsaw Posted July 5, 2021 Team Fusion Posted July 5, 2021 9 hours ago, greybeard_52 said: Thanks for your hints. Nothing I'm aware of. Oddly enough, both other games of the IL-2 series ('46 and BoS) do not have issues of this kind, like CoD. Here follow the list I got following your instruction: Microsoft Windows [Versione 10.0.19041.610] (c) 2020 Microsoft Corporation. Tutti i diritti sono riservati. C:\Users\leon9>tasklist/svc Nome immagine PID Servizi ========================= ======== ============================================ System Idle Process 0 N/D System 4 N/D Registry 108 N/D smss.exe 432 N/D csrss.exe 680 N/D wininit.exe 896 N/D csrss.exe 904 N/D services.exe 976 N/D lsass.exe 992 KeyIso, SamSs, VaultSvc winlogon.exe 424 N/D svchost.exe 772 PlugPlay svchost.exe 788 BrokerInfrastructure, DcomLaunch, Power, SystemEventsBroker fontdrvhost.exe 824 N/D fontdrvhost.exe 828 N/D svchost.exe 72 RpcEptMapper, RpcSs svchost.exe 1068 LSM dwm.exe 1132 N/D svchost.exe 1264 Schedule svchost.exe 1292 NcbService svchost.exe 1328 TimeBrokerSvc svchost.exe 1408 CoreMessagingRegistrar svchost.exe 1416 ProfSvc svchost.exe 1476 EventLog svchost.exe 1528 UserManager svchost.exe 1668 nsi WUDFHost.exe 1728 N/D svchost.exe 1740 Dhcp NVDisplay.Container.exe 1844 NVDisplay.ContainerLocalSystem svchost.exe 1860 DispBrokerDesktopSvc svchost.exe 1908 NlaSvc AsusCertService.exe 2024 AsusCertService svchost.exe 2036 netprofm svchost.exe 2148 Themes svchost.exe 2156 EventSystem wsc_proxy.exe 2164 AvastWscReporter NVDisplay.Container.exe 2208 N/D svchost.exe 2268 SENS svchost.exe 2348 AudioEndpointBuilder svchost.exe 2356 FontCache svchost.exe 2544 Winmgmt svchost.exe 2716 CDPUserSvc_29775 sihost.exe 2732 N/D svchost.exe 2888 TokenBroker taskhostw.exe 3000 N/D svchost.exe 2392 StateRepository svchost.exe 1812 TabletInputService ctfmon.exe 3084 N/D svchost.exe 3220 Audiosrv atkexComSvc.exe 3284 asComSvc svchost.exe 3548 Dnscache explorer.exe 3712 N/D svchost.exe 3756 ShellHWDetection svchost.exe 3920 CDPSvc svchost.exe 4004 RmSvc svchost.exe 4040 cbdhsvc_29775 svchost.exe 3408 LanmanServer svchost.exe 3416 NgcSvc svchost.exe 4116 NgcCtnrSvc svchost.exe 4148 BFE, mpssvc svchost.exe 4372 iphlpsvc StartMenuExperienceHost.e 4744 N/D RuntimeBroker.exe 4948 N/D SearchApp.exe 5060 N/D SearchIndexer.exe 5092 WSearch RuntimeBroker.exe 4868 N/D SettingSyncHost.exe 5384 N/D svchost.exe 5720 DusmSvc svchost.exe 5728 Wcmsvc LockApp.exe 5788 N/D RuntimeBroker.exe 5952 N/D svchost.exe 5988 WlanSvc RuntimeBroker.exe 5380 N/D AvastSvc.exe 5488 avast! Antivirus svchost.exe 6220 BthAvctpSvc svchost.exe 6336 DeviceAssociationService aswToolsSvc.exe 6392 avast! Tools spoolsv.exe 6572 Spooler svchost.exe 6640 LanmanWorkstation armsvc.exe 6708 AdobeARMservice svchost.exe 6716 CryptSvc svchost.exe 6724 DPS svchost.exe 6736 IKEEXT OfficeClickToRun.exe 6764 ClickToRunSvc svchost.exe 6812 WpnService svchost.exe 6820 TrkWks svchost.exe 6924 WdiServiceHost aswEngSrv.exe 6036 N/D svchost.exe 7328 wscsvc aswidsagent.exe 7424 aswbIDSAgent unsecapp.exe 7860 N/D GoogleCrashHandler.exe 7988 N/D GoogleCrashHandler64.exe 7996 N/D SecurityHealthSystray.exe 8568 N/D SecurityHealthService.exe 8604 SecurityHealthService AvastUI.exe 8748 N/D Greenshot.exe 8780 N/D dllhost.exe 8824 N/D RtkNGUI64.exe 8928 N/D JoyToKey.exe 9120 N/D svchost.exe 9132 PcaSvc jusched.exe 9212 N/D IAStorIcon.exe 6552 N/D svchost.exe 1600 SSDPSRV svchost.exe 8364 OneSyncSvc_29775, PimIndexMaintenanceSvc_29775, UnistoreSvc_29775, UserDataSvc_29775 IAStorDataMgrSvc.exe 6560 IAStorDataMgrSvc SgrmBroker.exe 8108 SgrmBroker svchost.exe 1300 StorSvc svchost.exe 2380 UsoSvc AvastUI.exe 3188 N/D AvastUI.exe 5040 N/D AvastUI.exe 5552 N/D TextInputHost.exe 3200 N/D CompPkgSrv.exe 3080 N/D UserOOBEBroker.exe 8316 N/D SDXHelper.exe 6196 N/D svchost.exe 7452 lfsvc steam.exe 8084 N/D steamwebhelper.exe 5300 N/D SteamService.exe 2572 Steam Client Service steamwebhelper.exe 6884 N/D steamwebhelper.exe 4912 N/D steamwebhelper.exe 2172 N/D steamwebhelper.exe 4812 N/D steamwebhelper.exe 1260 N/D steamwebhelper.exe 3556 N/D dllhost.exe 4316 N/D svchost.exe 5704 WinHttpAutoProxySvc svchost.exe 1244 LicenseManager svchost.exe 3768 InstallService svchost.exe 8080 DsSvc svchost.exe 6520 lmhosts svchost.exe 7444 wuauserv svchost.exe 8140 WpnUserService_29775 svchost.exe 3964 camsvc smartscreen.exe 3620 N/D firefox.exe 2908 N/D firefox.exe 2724 N/D svchost.exe 9372 AppXSvc firefox.exe 3652 N/D firefox.exe 5228 N/D firefox.exe 8012 N/D firefox.exe 9464 N/D firefox.exe 3036 N/D svchost.exe 1308 wlidsvc cmd.exe 6784 N/D conhost.exe 9988 N/D tasklist.exe 9300 N/D WmiPrvSE.exe 9848 N/D The only programs I see there, (and I am not a dictionary of 3rd party software) are: Greenshot: Screencap program... do you need this? The game has its own screencap. Try turning it off. NVidia: Obviously this needs to be running... I still have to wonder if something in the configs for your standard setup is conflicting with CoD. As has been mentioned before, I would recommend you use the same game resolution as you use for desktop.
greybeard_52 Posted July 5, 2021 Author Posted July 5, 2021 6 hours ago, Buzzsaw said: Greenshot: ... Try turning it off. Done, but no juice. 6 hours ago, Buzzsaw said: I would recommend you use the same game resolution as you use for desktop. Tried, but it worsened situation in game: now aircraft in the distance look like horrible blobs continuosly changing shape and dimension!?
Team Fusion Buzzsaw Posted July 5, 2021 Team Fusion Posted July 5, 2021 13 hours ago, greybeard_52 said: Done, but no juice. Tried, but it worsened situation in game: now aircraft in the distance look like horrible blobs continuosly changing shape and dimension!? Can you increase your desktop resolution to the same as you have for the game? Did you try unchecking VSync?
Team Fusion Buzzsaw Posted July 5, 2021 Team Fusion Posted July 5, 2021 Hello greybeard Can you record and post a short video from your game with examples of your views of your aircraft cockpit... externals such as wings and and other aircraft around you. Thanks
greybeard_52 Posted July 5, 2021 Author Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buzzsaw said: Can you increase your desktop resolution to the same as you have for the game? No, I can't. 1 hour ago, Buzzsaw said: Did you try unchecking VSync? Yes, I did, with no avail. 29 minutes ago, Buzzsaw said: Can you record and post a short video Sorry, I'm unable to record video. 29 minutes ago, Buzzsaw said: your aircraft cockpit... externals such as wings and and other aircraft around you. With current video settings I see quite well cockpit, wings of my plane and close aircraft. The problems increase with distance from observer. There's something wrong with rendering in this game, though, that I couldn't see from times of the good old Red Baron II/3D, where I couldn't have any AA: same shimmering and jagging. It looks like Cliffs of Dover's internal AA doesn't work properly and only partially. For instance, I notice that shimmering jaggies repeats only for some parts of terrain and ground object (e.g.: radio antennas in the desert), besides all aircraft, whilst ground vehicles are exempt of it. Thanks for your continued help. Edited July 5, 2021 by greybeard_52
Team Fusion Buzzsaw Posted July 6, 2021 Team Fusion Posted July 6, 2021 2 hours ago, greybeard_52 said: Sorry, I'm unable to record video. Your NVidia GTX970 card comes with the GForce Experience software that allows you to record video. If you open that program it details the default key you press to start recording... the video shows up in the folder you designate. The fact you don't know about this software makes me wonder if you have set up the NVidia video preferences correctly. I would recommend you open the program and read through the instructions for setup.
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