JV69badatflyski Posted August 29, 2021 Posted August 29, 2021 I voted for yes. Not because i like the plane, on the contrary, but because it could be funny. Like John Lennon wrote: "imagine"... Music: imagine a fighter with the tremendous rollrate of 30°sec imagine a fighter where the forward view is half obstructed by the gyroscopic gunsight (when equipped) imagine a plane when it reach it's cruise speed, it begin to shake and snake imagine a plane with engines going into surge at speeds above the cruise speed imagine a plane where the engines have to be throttle back above 20K feet if you don't want a flameout imagine a plane unable to attein the promised altitude imagine a plane unable to attein the promised speed imagine a plane that can only fly by sunny weather otherwise in even small turbulences by bad (bumby) weather, it starts to shake and snake imagine a plane where for restarting the right engine (the only one with the dynamo), you need to cut off all electrics otherwise you only have one attempt. imagine a plane with engine dials obscured by the stick and the right arm and not illuminated . imagine a plane with an allowed max speed (only reachable in a dive) aqual to the cruise speed of it's "competitor" . imagine a plane with such an effective rudder that it's use with combat speeds induce snaking making it useless . imagine a plane with such great ailerons that the pilot must be a heavy lifter to make them move. imagine a plane, a "jet fighter" with dining chair position for the pilot. imagine a plane using a canopy that distort all objects viewed through it imagine a plane flying through the rain and not being able to differenciate between sky and ground through the front and side windscreens. imagine a plane tested in it's 46 version that was considered unsuitable for operations by the highest aviation organistation in the UK. Imagine the funny discussion we could have once she's made. imagine the 50 pages (at least) whinning thread. imagine the 5 or 6 (at least) thread locks by Haashashin imagine the fun we could have with this plane (by actually not flying it) Yes please, make the flying-turd-meteor. (All the nice caracteristics mentionned above (and more) are to be found in the RAE Evaluation, see WWIIaircraftperformance) 5 3
616Sqn_Johnny-Red Posted August 30, 2021 Posted August 30, 2021 On 8/29/2021 at 10:49 PM, JV69badatflyski said: I voted for yes. Not because i like the plane, on the contrary, but because it could be funny. Like John Lennon wrote: "imagine"... Music: imagine a fighter with the tremendous rollrate of 30°sec imagine a fighter where the forward view is half obstructed by the gyroscopic gunsight (when equipped) imagine a plane when it reach it's cruise speed, it begin to shake and snake imagine a plane with engines going into surge at speeds above the cruise speed imagine a plane where the engines have to be throttle back above 20K feet if you don't want a flameout imagine a plane unable to attein the promised altitude imagine a plane unable to attein the promised speed imagine a plane that can only fly by sunny weather otherwise in even small turbulences by bad (bumby) weather, it starts to shake and snake imagine a plane where for restarting the right engine (the only one with the dynamo), you need to cut off all electrics otherwise you only have one attempt. imagine a plane with engine dials obscured by the stick and the right arm and not illuminated . imagine a plane with an allowed max speed (only reachable in a dive) aqual to the cruise speed of it's "competitor" . imagine a plane with such an effective rudder that it's use with combat speeds induce snaking making it useless . imagine a plane with such great ailerons that the pilot must be a heavy lifter to make them move. imagine a plane, a "jet fighter" with dining chair position for the pilot. imagine a plane using a canopy that distort all objects viewed through it imagine a plane flying through the rain and not being able to differenciate between sky and ground through the front and side windscreens. imagine a plane tested in it's 46 version that was considered unsuitable for operations by the highest aviation organistation in the UK. Imagine the funny discussion we could have once she's made. imagine the 50 pages (at least) whinning thread. imagine the 5 or 6 (at least) thread locks by Haashashin imagine the fun we could have with this plane (by actually not flying it) Yes please, make the flying-turd-meteor. (All the nice caracteristics mentionned above (and more) are to be found in the RAE Evaluation, see WWIIaircraftperformance) Thank you for your vote. Frankly I don't care if it's a stinker (which I highly doubt it will be); no matter what I'll fly it offline, in coops, and dogfights, and I'll fly it because its beautiful. Imagine a plane with fat centrifugal turbojets, a modern looking nose and a derpy looking tail? Hmm? WOOF! For Me it's an aesthetic thing first and foremost. People who voted for it haven't voted for it as some "pay-to-win" ticket, they voted for it because they find it beautiful, or interesting. Plus there's an added bonus: Imagine wanting to fly an operational jet that doesn't smell like a concentration camp? 9
1CGS LukeFF Posted August 31, 2021 1CGS Posted August 31, 2021 On 8/29/2021 at 2:49 PM, JV69badatflyski said: I voted for yes. Not because i like the plane, on the contrary, but because it could be funny. Like John Lennon wrote: "imagine"... Music: imagine a fighter with the tremendous rollrate of 30°sec imagine a fighter where the forward view is half obstructed by the gyroscopic gunsight (when equipped) imagine a plane when it reach it's cruise speed, it begin to shake and snake imagine a plane with engines going into surge at speeds above the cruise speed imagine a plane where the engines have to be throttle back above 20K feet if you don't want a flameout imagine a plane unable to attein the promised altitude imagine a plane unable to attein the promised speed imagine a plane that can only fly by sunny weather otherwise in even small turbulences by bad (bumby) weather, it starts to shake and snake imagine a plane where for restarting the right engine (the only one with the dynamo), you need to cut off all electrics otherwise you only have one attempt. imagine a plane with engine dials obscured by the stick and the right arm and not illuminated . imagine a plane with an allowed max speed (only reachable in a dive) aqual to the cruise speed of it's "competitor" . imagine a plane with such an effective rudder that it's use with combat speeds induce snaking making it useless . imagine a plane with such great ailerons that the pilot must be a heavy lifter to make them move. imagine a plane, a "jet fighter" with dining chair position for the pilot. imagine a plane using a canopy that distort all objects viewed through it imagine a plane flying through the rain and not being able to differenciate between sky and ground through the front and side windscreens. imagine a plane tested in it's 46 version that was considered unsuitable for operations by the highest aviation organistation in the UK. Imagine the funny discussion we could have once she's made. imagine the 50 pages (at least) whinning thread. imagine the 5 or 6 (at least) thread locks by Haashashin imagine the fun we could have with this plane (by actually not flying it) Yes please, make the flying-turd-meteor. (All the nice caracteristics mentionned above (and more) are to be found in the RAE Evaluation, see WWIIaircraftperformance) As if the Me 262 was a plane without fault. ? I bet I could find a list of complaints about the 262 that's at least as long as the one you posted. 1 6
Kurfurst Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 6 hours ago, LukeFF said: I bet I could find a list of complaints about the 262 that's at least as long as the one you posted. Just use the search function, it will return pages of complaints along the lines "262 is OP, ban from server". ? 2 2
CountZero Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, VO101Kurfurst said: Just use the search function, it will return pages of complaints along the lines "262 is OP, ban from server". ? 262 is OP ban from server subito ! http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/en/sorties/289/Krupnski/?tour=42 http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/en/all_aircraft/?tour=42&sort_by=-kd
blue_max Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 I would be totally in favour of a meteor. Super fun for MP battles with my friends!
CountZero Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) On 8/29/2021 at 11:49 PM, JV69badatflyski said: I voted for yes. Not because i like the plane, on the contrary, but because it could be funny. Like John Lennon wrote: "imagine"... Music: imagine a fighter with the tremendous rollrate of 30°sec - dont know man lagg3 had stories about poor roll but look at it in game best rolla outthere, so no problems in this game, roll will probably be okimagine a fighter where the forward view is half obstructed by the gyroscopic gunsight (when equipped) who uses gyro gunsight, its flying game you have infinet atempts to learn to shoot, and its 4x20 HE ,you dont ned to aim, it just go boom in this gameimagine a plane when it reach it's cruise speed, it begin to shake and snake dont have to worry about that in this flying gameimagine a plane with engines going into surge at speeds above the cruise speed dont have to worry about that in thisflying game just loook 262imagine a plane where the engines have to be throttle back above 20K feet if you don't want a flameout dont have to worry about that in this flying game just loook 262imagine a plane unable to attein the promised altitude LOL any airplane madeimagine a plane unable to attein the promised speed LOL any airplane madeimagine a plane that can only fly by sunny weather otherwise in even small turbulences by bad (bumby) weather, it starts to shake and snake every map is sunny purfect time, no problemos for gameimagine a plane where for restarting the right engine (the only one with the dynamo), you need to cut off all electrics otherwise you only have one attempt. what restarts, its game lolimagine a plane with engine dials obscured by the stick and the right arm and not illuminated . lol who looks at instrument panels in this game , there is tech chat babyimagine a plane with an allowed max speed (only reachable in a dive) aqual to the cruise speed of it's "competitor" . best posible FM always for any airplane in game, no problemosimagine a plane with such an effective rudder that it's use with combat speeds induce snaking making it useless . its a flying game what shakes, you fly vvs airplanes, best posible fm no shakesimagine a plane with such great ailerons that the pilot must be a heavy lifter to make them move. itz a game, everly pilota is superman, did you here about gunners abilitys, and you worry about heavy controls lol imagine a plane, a "jet fighter" with dining chair position for the pilot. - oh no now you got it, its a game braker!imagine a plane using a canopy that distort all objects viewed through it any airplane in game, and look views are ultra perfect for any of them, you ever look at ww2 pictures of vvs fighters cockpits and compared to in gameimagine a plane flying through the rain and not being able to differenciate between sky and ground through the front and side windscreens. lol what rainimagine a plane tested in it's 46 version that was considered unsuitable for operations by the highest aviation organistation in the UK. e will get old ww2 wersion, so no problemoz Imagine the funny discussion we could have once she's made. - #1 reason to have it! imagine the 50 pages (at least) whinning thread. - axis dont whinne, they look forward to finaly be able to play like underdog, faced with equality, you ever saw what happend in last taw lol imagine the 5 or 6 (at least) thread locks by Haashashin - he gets bored from time to time, he will atleast have something to do imagine the fun we could have with this plane (by actually not flying it) - its RAF airplane not USAF lol Yes please, make the flying-turd-meteor. (All the nice caracteristics mentionned above (and more) are to be found in the RAE Evaluation, see WWIIaircraftperformance) dont see any problems exept chair thing, but i can just use lazyboy and gamepad with vr and problem sloved gib meteor plz! Edited August 31, 2021 by CountZero 2
sevenless Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, CountZero said: 262 is OP ban from server http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/en/sorties/289/Krupnski/?tour=42 Holy Moly!
JV69badatflyski Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 11 hours ago, 616Sqn_Johnny-Red said: Thank you for your vote. Frankly I don't care if it's a stinker (which I highly doubt it will be); no matter what I'll fly it offline, in coops, and dogfights, and I'll fly it because its beautiful. Imagine a plane with fat centrifugal turbojets, a modern looking nose and a derpy looking tail? Hmm? WOOF! For Me it's an aesthetic thing first and foremost. People who voted for it haven't voted for it as some "pay-to-win" ticket, they voted for it because they find it beautiful, or interesting. Plus there's an added bonus: Imagine wanting to fly an operational jet that doesn't smell like a concentration camp? The beauty lies in the eye of the beholder. Never found any appeal in the meteor. Even one of the most ugliest planes, the Skua, has some beauty in it. Even the 190 that is not a beauty queen has some traits that make it nice to look at, maybe it's his agressiveness. (personnal opinion ofc) I Disagree with you about the "pay to win", i think most players want a killing machine, not because it's nice. They hope to have something to oppose to the 262. IRL, meteor wasn't able to that. Your last line is slighlty OT and is limit borderline , don't you think? 10 hours ago, LukeFF said: As if the Me 262 was a plane without fault. ? I bet I could find a list of complaints about the 262 that's at least as long as the one you posted. Never said the 262 was faultless, far from it, but at least the RLM didn't found the 262 unsuitable for combat operations (unlike they did for the 190 in41) 1 hour ago, CountZero said: dont see any problems exept chair thing, but i can just use lazyboy and gamepad with vr and problem sloved gib meteor plz! If they model it like you wrote () then it's maybe time to migrate to warthunder. In this case, modeling the plane without it's major aerodynamical and mechanical faults let us depart from the "sim" caracteristics and sending the soft right into arcade mode.
1CGS LukeFF Posted August 31, 2021 1CGS Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, JV69badatflyski said: Never said the 262 was faultless, far from it, but at least the RLM didn't found the 262 unsuitable for combat operations (unlike they did for the 190 in41) Eh, ok. ? The 262 was rushed into service with a mountain of problems, because they had no other way to at least attempt to regain some shred of parity with the RAF and USAAF in terms of controlling the skies. In any other circumstance, there is no way the plane is deployed with that many problems. Edited August 31, 2021 by LukeFF 3
616Sqn_Johnny-Red Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 3 hours ago, JV69badatflyski said: Never found any appeal in the meteor. Even one of the most ugliest planes, the Skua, has some beauty in it. Even the 190 that is not a beauty queen has some traits that make it nice to look at, maybe it's his agressiveness. (personnal opinion ofc) I would agree that the embodiment of purpose adds character to an airframe whether it be the Anton or the Beaufighter. It's a jet ship. It should have been called the Gloster "Thunderbolt", but the name was already taken.
JV69badatflyski Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, LukeFF said: Eh, ok. ? The 262 was rushed into service with a mountain of problems, because they had no other way to at least attempt to regain some shred of parity with the RAF and USAAF in terms of controlling the skies. In any other circumstance, there is no way the plane is deployed with that many problems. Rushed, won't say that, the plane was in devloppement for 4 years already. The engines were a pb, and the front strut... Will try to check my books about the 262 the next days, will certainly find more issues, but from memory that's all i have. 2 hours ago, 616Sqn_Johnny-Red said: I would agree that the embodiment of purpose adds character to an airframe whether it be the Anton or the Beaufighter. It's a jet ship. It should have been called the Gloster "Thunderbolt", but the name was already taken. Like i said, "...in the eye of the beholder" They could name it "missingbolt", it still would be better than meteor, those tend to explode in the sky and burn before touching the ground 1
JV69badatflyski Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 Even less operational than the gloster meteor. Actually no operationnal at all, just flying prototypes as PR stunt Maybe if Mike decide to make a 1946 volume like the old il2 ...
Trooper117 Posted August 31, 2021 Posted August 31, 2021 33 minutes ago, JV69badatflyski said: Maybe if Mike decide to make a 1946 volume like the old il2 There is so much functionality missing from the old IL2 that should have been in the new reborn version, there's not a chance in hell they would go down that 'what if' road... 3
Raptor341 Posted September 1, 2021 Posted September 1, 2021 I'd be all over the Meteor! Day 1 buy for me 1 1
CUJO_1970 Posted September 1, 2021 Posted September 1, 2021 Not sure why anyone votes “no” in any of these polls. You like WW2 aircraft, yes or no? Yes there are are more important planes that need to be added. No, we don’t want or need you to explain all that, we already know it. 1
BraveSirRobin Posted September 1, 2021 Posted September 1, 2021 53 minutes ago, CUJO_1970 said: Not sure why anyone votes “no” in any of these polls. You like WW2 aircraft, yes or no? Yes there are are more important planes that need to be added. No, we don’t want or need you to explain all that, we already know it. I'm pretty sure that no "do you want plane X?" poll has ever had a majority of "no" votes. They are useless.
iFoxRomeo Posted September 1, 2021 Posted September 1, 2021 A Meteor? Yes please! But i have to scrach my head about some parts of the sim community... Spoiler A collector U-2, totally useless for combat, but the Community: A collector FLAK truck: Community: Another FLAK truck: Community: Now how about a collector Meteor I/III? First british operational jet. 4*20mm centered, turns inside a TempestV. Gives a nice looking counterpart to the 262 and eases the pain. Great for MP on servers like "Finnish..." Also parts of the community: 2 4
CountZero Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, iFoxRomeo said: A Meteor? Yes please! But i have to scrach my head about some parts of the sim community... Hide contents A collector U-2, totally useless for combat, but the Community: A collector FLAK truck: Community: Another FLAK truck: Community: Now how about a collector Meteor I/III? First british operational jet. 4*20mm centered, turns inside a TempestV. Gives a nice looking counterpart to the 262 and eases the pain. Great for MP on servers like "Finnish..." Also parts of the community: its no suprise, its not made by germans so it dosent have mytical apeal of last dirch thing that if build erlyer or in bigger numbers would win a war for them, no mather if its just paper airplane or how bad it would be performing in real. Also it would not be any better vs 262 then best allied props we have now, P-80 or MiG-9 are real performance that can give 262 problems, but Meteor is one that fits game, we have maps where it can be used, it was used in combat in ww2 for GA or V1 hunt, and its historicly important jet, and it looks good, i doubt we aint gona see it as collector airplane nomather what poll say. Edited September 2, 2021 by CountZero 2
DBFlyguy Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 15 hours ago, iFoxRomeo said: A Meteor? Yes please! But i have to scrach my head about some parts of the sim community... Hide contents A collector U-2, totally useless for combat, but the Community: A collector FLAK truck: Community: Another FLAK truck: Community: Now how about a collector Meteor I/III? First british operational jet. 4*20mm centered, turns inside a TempestV. Gives a nice looking counterpart to the 262 and eases the pain. Great for MP on servers like "Finnish..." Also parts of the community: If it makes you feel any better... I boo'ed those two stupid trucks too ? The U-2VS is cool though ? A Meteor would be nice, I'd probably get it once some other core game issues are finally addressed.... but there's also tons of other collector aircraft with more relevance to the war that I'd rather have first like a proper early Spit IX or an A-20G
Trooper117 Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 What's happening here is that certain people only want to see ''yes please''... ''that would be awesome'' and if they see someone making a statement as to why the devs should concentrate on more relevant planes that played a major part in the air war they don't like it. This is a forum where both sides to any discussion needs to be heard, not just one side. Of course, in a perfect world we would like every type of plane that turned up to whatever map we have, but that would be impossible for the devs to accomplish with the small team available to produce them. Who knows, one day we might see the Meteor Mk I/III... 1
JV69badatflyski Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 23 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said: Not sure why anyone votes “no” in any of these polls. You like WW2 aircraft, yes or no? Yes there are are more important planes that need to be added. No, we don’t want or need you to explain all that, we already know it. Don't be such a mood destoyer Cujo, the missingbolt would be a nice target for our Antons, if it's behind us, start a scissors and you're on it's tail or simply roll if you want to evade, that plane wasn'table to follow whatever maneuvre a wurger could do 1 1
iFoxRomeo Posted September 2, 2021 Posted September 2, 2021 On 8/31/2021 at 1:14 PM, sevenless said: Holy Moly! Krupnski is one of those who are out of this world... the 262 isn't even his best crate On 8/31/2021 at 8:47 PM, MeoW.Scharfi said: How about giving us the F/P-80? ? Ooch.... pffff.... now you're being childish. Next you want an Ariane 64 rocket?? 15 hours ago, CountZero said: Also it would not be any better vs 262 then best allied props we have now Yes for the Mk I, but the Mk III is better than any allied prop plane vs the 262. 7 hours ago, Trooper117 said: What's happening here is that certain people only want to see ''yes please''... ''that would be awesome'' and if they see someone making a statement as to why the devs should concentrate on more relevant planes that played a major part in the air war they don't like it. Are you sure? Iirc noone asked the devs to halt or skip any plane in favour of the Meteor. What are the "relevant planes that played a major part"? And who defines what is relevant?
CUJO_1970 Posted September 3, 2021 Posted September 3, 2021 3 hours ago, JV69badatflyski said: Don't be such a mood destoyer Cujo, the missingbolt would be a nice target for our Antons, if it's behind us, start a scissors and you're on it's tail or simply roll if you want to evade, that plane wasn'table to follow whatever maneuvre a wurger could do Honestly it would be cool to have a jet to fly against, history be damned ?
Kurfurst Posted September 15, 2021 Posted September 15, 2021 On 8/31/2021 at 8:47 PM, MeoW.Scharfi said: How about giving us the F/P-80? ? First step on the slippery slope to ‘46 lalala land so no. The Meteor at least has a semi-decent excuse for being somewhere there on the map, doing something, so it coulda, woulda. YP-80 has none of it. 5
Bremspropeller Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 8/31/2021 at 1:21 PM, JV69badatflyski said: Never said the 262 was faultless, far from it, but at least the RLM didn't found the 262 unsuitable for combat operations (unlike they did for the 190 in41) Mostly because uncle Addi wanted a Blitzbomber, like yesterday. The 262 in online gaming is doing exactly wht the real plane would have done with a relative parity of numbers and without constant trashing of airfields and supplies by bombers and fighters/ fighter-bombers. People should not expect historical outcomes, when playing gamey set-ups. ALL jets were deathtraps well into the 1950s. Even a lovely bird like the Sabre. But then again, so were the props back in the day. Being a pilot was a good way of not making retirement in those times. 1
MeoW.Scharfi Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 On 9/15/2021 at 10:15 PM, VO101Kurfurst said: First step on the slippery slope to ‘46 lalala land so no. The Meteor at least has a semi-decent excuse for being somewhere there on the map, doing something, so it coulda, woulda. YP-80 has none of it. 11
kendo Posted October 27, 2021 Posted October 27, 2021 On 9/1/2021 at 9:35 PM, CUJO_1970 said: Not sure why anyone votes “no” in any of these polls. You like WW2 aircraft, yes or no? Yes there are are more important planes that need to be added. No, we don’t want or need you to explain all that, we already know it. On 9/1/2021 at 10:32 PM, BraveSirRobin said: I'm pretty sure that no "do you want plane X?" poll has ever had a majority of "no" votes. They are useless. I agree on the uselessness of polls like this. The answer to the question "Would you like plane X?" - of course, on one level we'd all like every possible plane that could be added to the sim, and preferably by next week. But it's meaningless. Things aren't so simple. With limited dev resources the question needs to be, "If you add plane X what other aircraft are you willing to do without?" And there's a whole collection of planes I'd much rather see added, before a bit-part, latecomer like the meteor. So, therefore would I like to see it? NO! 1
EduardoMCfly Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) So are we having the Meteor as a collector plane in the future or not? Edited October 15, 2023 by EduardoMCfly
Trooper117 Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 Probably see it as a collector plane in Korea... ? 2
Avimimus Posted November 30, 2023 Posted November 30, 2023 On 10/15/2023 at 3:00 PM, Trooper117 said: Probably see it as a collector plane in Korea... ? The F.8 was pretty different though. Also, I think it should be part of the core plane-set if such a sim is developed (as there should be at least one non-American design, yes)? IMHO, the Collector Planes should be used for a few types that didn't see service in Korea, but were from the same era (e.g. FB.6 Vampire or Venom, Il-28 etc.) It'd lead to a much more balanced and diverse plane set.
=BLW=Pablo Posted September 10, 2024 Posted September 10, 2024 (edited) On 7/11/2021 at 8:40 PM, LukeFF said: No, but it was active over England in shooting down V-1s and flew armed recon missions over the Rhineland map in the spring of 45. . True, I would certainly buy a Meteor for my collection. But it's worth remembering that the Meteor during WWII only achieved something around 450 MP/h. Much slower than the 262. Edited September 10, 2024 by =BLW=Pablo
Gingerwelsh Posted September 21, 2024 Posted September 21, 2024 On 9/10/2024 at 1:07 AM, =BLW=Pablo said: True, I would certainly buy a Meteor for my collection. But it's worth remembering that the Meteor during WWII only achieved something around 450 MP/h. Much slower than the 262. 470 to 485 mph in the Mk III with the later engines. But no matter, the opportunity to include the only Allied jet aircraft to perform in operations in WWII, has been and gone. .. 3
Avimimus Posted October 19, 2024 Posted October 19, 2024 On 9/21/2024 at 4:30 PM, Gingerwelsh said: But no matter, the opportunity to include the only Allied jet aircraft to perform in operations in WWII, has been and gone. I'm not sure. The developers still seem open to partnering with 3rd parties. Also, there is still a possibility of an RAAF F.8 (a much more advanced design, but still a meteor)!
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