TFS Developer Diary June, 2021

[Buffo002]

1 hour ago, OBT-Lionel said:

Dagwoodyt,

 

While waiting for the VR to be released on Cliff, I invite you to go to Bos or DCS.

I agree. Let them go somewhere else ... I don't want to be vulgar. There is always a group of people who still complain why it is not done and when it will be, etc. It's just that when it is, it will be ... anyway, I wish a lot of success to the team, it's a great simulator, and whether they cough at such offensive people, fortunately most people have reason and understanding ...

Edited June 29, 2021 by Buffo002

[BladeMeister]

8 hours ago, Redwo1f said:

It is because it is completely redundant - the issue has already been answered by the developers. If that answer doesn't sit well with you, so be it -- that's life. Yet it is brokered by yourself again and again and again ad nauseam. You are not owed anything - and it is just the sense of entitlement that gets rather tiresome on top of it all.

 

...and it is grating on many of the members, so that is likely why you are getting the responses you are receiving. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This says it all. I could not have said it better myself and the application of the much endeared phrase 'ad nauseam', could only have been heightened if it had been in all caps. Maybe Redwolf will consider editing that to put the cherry on top of his 'VIRTUALLY' perfect response.  See what I did there?   The only thing I could add would be that anyone who is comparing 1c to TFS would do well to remember that TFS is a spare time developer. This is not to make excuses for TFS but it is what it is. There development cycle has always been way way longer to produce material than a fulltime development company like 1C. 

TFS has stated publicly that VR and TrueSky are coming to  CLOD/DWOT so that is a done deal. And there was much rejoicing! YEA!

I am sure VR is awesome, I have not experienced it, and I am also sure VR will be awesome for CLOD/DWOT, but for God's sake just wait patiently as most of us did while TFS worked their magic with the source code and gave us CLOD 5.0  and beyond. It literally took years people.

 

Mysticpuma, your little digs and stirring the shitpot while speculating when updates and pics of this and that should be released based on your former knowledge of how TFS use to work are, to quote Redwolf, 'ad nauseam', as well. I feel quite sure that things don't work the same way as when you were there, to the benefit of the whole community. 

 

Well, I feel better, and all of the above is IMHO of course, but I can't wait for TrueSky and for VR to hit CLOD/DWOT!

This year, next year, whenever as I know TFS will give implementing both their best effort and add another gem to  CLOD/DWOT! And just think, there is another theater out there somewhere for CLOD/DWOT  bouncing around in the unknown just waiting to be announced.

And there was much rejoicing even before the announcement! YEA! Thanks TFS for all of your hard work, I am in for the

L--O--N--G  H--A--U--L!

S!Blade<><

[Dagwoodyt]

I am not aware that anyone has explained how it is "offensive" to anticipate video clips by September 21, 2021 and "Re-Launch" before 2022. It is not my inclination to presuppose an interim disaster.

 

Edited June 29, 2021 by Dagwoodyt

[BladeMeister]

9 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

I am not aware that anyone has explained how it is "offensive" to anticipate video clips by September 21, 2021 and "Re-Launch" before 2022. It is not my inclination to presuppose an interim disaster.

 

It is not offensive in the least. It is just completely irritating, that's all mate. Your not a glass half full guy are you?

 

S!Blade<><

[Dagwoodyt]

56 minutes ago, BladeMeister said:

This says it all. I could not have said it better myself and the application of the much endeared phrase 'ad nauseam', could only have been heightened if it had been in all caps. Maybe Redwolf will consider editing that to put the cherry on top of his 'VIRTUALLY' perfect response.  See what I did there?   The only thing I could add would be that anyone who is comparing 1c to TFS would do well to remember that TFS is a spare time developer. This is not to make excuses for TFS but it is what it is. There development cycle has always been way way longer to produce material than a fulltime development company like 1C. 

TFS has stated publicly that VR and TrueSky are coming to  CLOD/DWOT so that is a done deal. And there was much rejoicing! YEA!

I am sure VR is awesome, I have not experienced it, and I am also sure VR will be awesome for CLOD/DWOT, but for God's sake just wait patiently as most of us did while TFS worked their magic with the source code and gave us CLOD 5.0  and beyond. It literally took years people.

 

Mysticpuma, your little digs and stirring the shitpot while speculating when updates and pics of this and that should be released based on your former knowledge of how TFS use to work are, to quote Redwolf, 'ad nauseam', as well. I feel quite sure that things don't work the same way as when you were there, to the benefit of the whole community. 

 

Well, I feel better, and all of the above is IMHO of course, but I can't wait for TrueSky and for VR to hit CLOD/DWOT!

This year, next year, whenever as I know TFS will give implementing both their best effort and add another gem to  CLOD/DWOT! And just think, there is another theater out there somewhere for CLOD/DWOT  bouncing around in the unknown just waiting to be announced.

And there was much rejoicing even before the announcement! YEA! Thanks TFS for all of your hard work, I am in for the

L--O--N--G  H--A--U--L!

S!Blade<><

and so that's how you figured out who ate the strawberries

[Mysticpuma]

3 hours ago, BladeMeister said:

This says it all. I could not have said it better myself and the application of the much endeared phrase 'ad nauseam', could only have been heightened if it had been in all caps. Maybe Redwolf will consider editing that to put the cherry on top of his 'VIRTUALLY' perfect response.  See what I did there?   The only thing I could add would be that anyone who is comparing 1c to TFS would do well to remember that TFS is a spare time developer. This is not to make excuses for TFS but it is what it is. There development cycle has always been way way longer to produce material than a fulltime development company like 1C. 

TFS has stated publicly that VR and TrueSky are coming to  CLOD/DWOT so that is a done deal. And there was much rejoicing! YEA!

I am sure VR is awesome, I have not experienced it, and I am also sure VR will be awesome for CLOD/DWOT, but for God's sake just wait patiently as most of us did while TFS worked their magic with the source code and gave us CLOD 5.0  and beyond. It literally took years people.

 

Mysticpuma, your little digs and stirring the shitpot while speculating when updates and pics of this and that should be released based on your former knowledge of how TFS use to work are, to quote Redwolf, 'ad nauseam', as well. I feel quite sure that things don't work the same way as when you were there, to the benefit of the whole community. 

 

Well, I feel better, and all of the above is IMHO of course, but I can't wait for TrueSky and for VR to hit CLOD/DWOT!

This year, next year, whenever as I know TFS will give implementing both their best effort and add another gem to  CLOD/DWOT! And just think, there is another theater out there somewhere for CLOD/DWOT  bouncing around in the unknown just waiting to be announced.

And there was much rejoicing even before the announcement! YEA! Thanks TFS for all of your hard work, I am in for the

L--O--N--G  H--A--U--L!

S!Blade<><

 

Yep, little digs, fair enough. Improvement in updates.... okay.... ?

 

How come there is video and images of Truesky out there, implemented in Clod and yet TFS aren't sharing them when the quality is actually really good and shows Truesky in Clod? No-one wants to see that then? Yes, those updates really are exciting ?

 

 

 

 

Edited June 29, 2021 by Mysticpuma

[DD_Arthur]

46 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

How come there is video and images of Truesky out there, implemented in Clod and yet TFS aren't sharing them when the quality is actually really good and shows Truesky in Clod?

 

Is there a video and images of CLoD in Trusky?

 

Didn’t know that.

[BladeMeister]

1 hour ago, Mysticpuma said:

 

Yep, little digs, fair enough. Improvement in updates.... okay.... ?

 

How come there is video and images of Truesky out there, implemented in Clod and yet TFS aren't sharing them when the quality is actually really good and shows Truesky in Clod? No-one wants to see that then? Yes, those updates really are exciting ?

 

 

 

 

I am just guessing here, but maybe TFS, you know the people that are actually doing the coding and integrating TrueSky into CLOD/WOTB don't think it is ready to show off to the public yet? What is it with you MP? 

"It's my party and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to, cry if I want to! You would cry to if it happened to you!"

Only it's not your party anymore is it?

I haven't seen any pics or vids of TrueSky in Sim? Maybe someone leaked them, shame on them I guess, but I have to feel that when the guys/gals at TFS are ready to show off TrueSky in Sim, then they probably will have a lot to show in pics and video and I feel sure that they will make a big deal of publicizing that upgrade.

Of course I want to see it and experience it in Sim also, but your subtle comments calling TFS out on this and that with your underlying tone of superiority in knowing what TFS should and shouldn't be releasing and publicizing and when is annoying and tiresome at best. You used to be a pretty good public liaison for TFS many moons ago. Why be the guy that's not on TFS's team anymore, standing on the outside with aparent hurt feelings and poking them with the pointy stick when you feel the need?

Life is to short for that Sir!

 

S!Blade<><

[Mysticpuma]

1 hour ago, BladeMeister said:

I am just guessing here, but maybe TFS, you know the people that are actually doing the coding and integrating TrueSky into CLOD/WOTB don't think it is ready to show off to the public yet? What is it with you MP? 

"It's my party and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to, cry if I want to! You would cry to if it happened to you!"

Only it's not your party anymore is it?

I haven't seen any pics or vids of TrueSky in Sim? Maybe someone leaked them, shame on them I guess, but I have to feel that when the guys/gals at TFS are ready to show off TrueSky in Sim, then they probably will have a lot to show in pics and video and I feel sure that they will make a big deal of publicizing that upgrade.

Of course I want to see it and experience it in Sim also, but your subtle comments calling TFS out on this and that with your underlying tone of superiority in knowing what TFS should and shouldn't be releasing and publicizing and when is annoying and tiresome at best. You used to be a pretty good public liaison for TFS many moons ago. Why be the guy that's not on TFS's team anymore, standing on the outside with aparent hurt feelings and poking them with the pointy stick when you feel the need?

Life is to short for that Sir!

 

S!Blade<><

S! 

Can't leak what doesn't exist? 

No problem, looking forward to the Truesky and VR update, having seen it in action it will be worth the time and effort they are putting in..... one day ?

Edited June 29, 2021 by Mysticpuma

[OBT-Eazy]

All posts about Truesky and VR demo images and videos are like ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhtLpooJSN0

[Dagwoodyt]

3 hours ago, BladeMeister said:

I am just guessing here, but maybe TFS, you know the people that are actually doing the coding and integrating TrueSky into CLOD/WOTB don't think it is ready to show off to the public yet? What is it with you MP? 

"It's my party and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to, cry if I want to! You would cry to if it happened to you!"

Only it's not your party anymore is it?

I haven't seen any pics or vids of TrueSky in Sim? Maybe someone leaked them, shame on them I guess, but I have to feel that when the guys/gals at TFS are ready to show off TrueSky in Sim, then they probably will have a lot to show in pics and video and I feel sure that they will make a big deal of publicizing that upgrade.

Of course I want to see it and experience it in Sim also, but your subtle comments calling TFS out on this and that with your underlying tone of superiority in knowing what TFS should and shouldn't be releasing and publicizing and when is annoying and tiresome at best. You used to be a pretty good public liaison for TFS many moons ago. Why be the guy that's not on TFS's team anymore, standing on the outside with aparent hurt feelings and poking them with the pointy stick when you feel the need?

Life is to short for that Sir!

 

S!Blade<><

Typically in forums substance diminishes as word count increases  ?

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

[BladeMeister]

1 hour ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Typically in forums substance diminishes as word count increases  ?

I am anything but typical, but you good Sir, your few words say a myriad of nothing in your self supposed supremecy. Off with you to your VR world where you are a wise man among fools in a company of one.

 

S!Blade<><

[Dagwoodyt]

12 hours ago, BladeMeister said:

I am anything but typical, but you good Sir, your few words say a myriad of nothing in your self supposed supremecy. Off with you to your VR world where you are a wise man among fools in a company of one.

 

S!Blade<><

Translation: Angry at VR   :-)

[DD_Arthur]

On 6/29/2021 at 7:30 AM, OBT-Lionel said:

While waiting for the VR to be released on Cliff, I invite you to go to Bos or DCS.

 

Unfortunately for TFS it would seem everybody has gone off to play BoS or DCS.

 

https://steamcharts.com/app/754530

 

As we can see from the Steam charts, in the real world the number of people using CLoD has had another slump and is back to pre-September 2019 figures.

 

I note that as usual people asking reasonable questions on a forum provided to ask questions come under personal attack.  This has long been a characteristic of any discussions involving Team Fusion.

 

Why is the TFS PR effort so inept?  What exactly is difficult about posting a few images here on their official forum? 

Why do we have a developer diary with.....no actual news or a discussion thread about a graphics update that dosen't actually provide any images to discuss?

 

Is it because TFS is now - under it's incredibly dynamic leadership - merely one and a half blokes and their dog?

 

 

Oh look - I've just increased their PR output by 100%.

[Peachy9]

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

Unfortunately for TFS it would seem everybody has gone off to play BoS or DCS.

 

https://steamcharts.com/app/754530

 

As we can see from the Steam charts, in the real world the number of people using CLoD has had another slump and is back to pre-September 2019 figures.

Yawn

[OBT-Eazy]

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

Unfortunately for TFS it would seem everybody has gone off to play BoS or DCS.

 

https://steamcharts.com/app/754530

 

As we can see from the Steam charts, in the real world the number of people using CLoD has had another slump and is back to pre-September 2019 figures.

 

BoS has lost one hundred players in 2 month.  Where are they gone?

[DD_Arthur]

57 minutes ago, OBT-Eazy said:

BoS has lost one hundred players in 2 month.  Where are they gone?

 

Dunno.  Don't care.  The BoS forum has over 260,000 members.  You get automatically registered when as a new customer you purchase a copy of one of the modules.

The number of new members joining is currently averaging a little over 340 per week. 

 

This is all independent of Steam figures of course and is quite frankly irrelevent to CLoD and this discussion.

 

As CLoD is a Steam only game the figures I post above are absolutely accurate.  Once again user numbers are nose-diving despite the AGC - a large, well organised group - running their own campaign.

 

The actual, material news of the June 2021 Team Fusion Simulations Developer Diary is;  ..............we're making some single missions.

[Enceladus828]

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

Why is the TFS PR effort so inept?  What exactly is difficult about posting a few images here on their official forum? 

I dunno. Why is the U.S. Government so inept about what crashed in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania in 1965? If it was just a meteorite and nothing else, then why was there a huge military intervention, why were many NASA officials there, why were there many men in radiation suits there, why was the site quarantined, why were the fire-fighters (they didn't know at the time if this was a plane crash or something else) forcefully ordered to leave the area and later the fire station was taken over by the military? If it was a meteorite or a Soviet satellite, then why did it make many abrupt turns before crashing.

 

Sorry, I had to.

[Peachy9]

On a far more interesting note concerning TrueSky did you see this in the GB developer diary - maybe that is something worth noting re the wait for TrueSky:

 

And we continue to work on the new AQM feature, fuel systems with drop tanks, Air Marshal and even improved cloud technology. All of which I hope to show you pictures of in upcoming Developer Diaries.

[Dagwoodyt]

On 6/28/2021 at 6:43 PM, Dagwoodyt said:

Who among us has not been affected by the pandemic? Has anyone stopped selling sims during the pandemic? If so that's news to me. Discussion of VR easy to avoid if it's upsetting  ?

 

Why does an innocuous question warrant flippant responses? 

 

On 6/28/2021 at 8:19 PM, Redwo1f said:

It is because it is completely redundant - the issue has already been answered by the developers. If that answer doesn't sit well with you, so be it -- that's life. Yet it is brokered by yourself again and again and again ad nauseam. You are not owed anything - and it is just the sense of entitlement that gets rather tiresome on top of it all.

 

...and it is grating on many of the members, so that is likely why you are getting the responses you are receiving. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It might be that a certain group views the announced Blitz "Re-launch" as a zero sum game in which they somehow lose if the "Re-launch" succeeds. That's a potential mine field for new comers if tempers are so short.

[BladeMeister]

1 hour ago, Dagwoodyt said:

 

It might be that a certain group views the announced Blitz "Re-launch" as a zero sum game in which they somehow lose if the "Re-launch" succeeds. That's a potential mine field for new comers if tempers are so short.

What the hell? What does that even mean? Are you a conspiracy theorist? I picture you sitting around all day thinking what if this,

...... What if that.......

Never actually contributing anything containing the truth of the matter hand.

 

S!Blade<><

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Ok, so... what's next? telling the devs they risk their very lives if they don't share at least one screenshot within less than 24 hours?

 

I simply can't understand how people become so childish in the internet era...

[Dagwoodyt]

If video clips can be shown by Summer's end that will represent a watershed event.

[OBT-Eazy]

52 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

If video clips can be shown by Summer's end that will represent a watershed event.

Absolutely not, a video clip is just appetizer!
I'm sure the turning point will be something else and will silence a bunch of grumblers (at least one I hope).

[BladeMeister]

16 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

If video clips can be shown by Summer's end that will represent a watershed event.

I am going to just apologize in advance because I know it looks like I am trolling you and that is not my intention, but I just can't understand why anyone feels there is a need for some time limit, deadline to display pics or video of pre release new tech for CLOD/DWOT or any other sim? Sure it is nice to see a picture or video, but a watershed event? Come on, in the big scheme of things it means squat really and is forgotten in a couple of weeks. Until I experience said new tech in sim, it is just bubkus! I mean CLOD has been around since what 2011 and TFS, formerly TF, has been working on it what 5 or 6 years, maybe 3 years with the source code? This has always been a long slow labor of love for TFS fueled by part time volunteers and from what I have experienced, they always seem to release quality(not perfect, but damn good) material and back it up with tweaks to smooth off any rough edges and ending up with a fun CBFS. My hope is that they continue to do as they have done in the past and just release Quality updates only when they are comfortable that the update is ready to go primetime, whether they show PR material or not. If I have learned anything about TFS from an outsiders viewpoint, it is that I can Trust that if they are tight lipped and taking a long tIme on a project or projects, then they are doing  quality work and it will meet their own high standards as most of the Team is comprised of Sim pilots and they do this work out of their own passion and love for CBFSs, CLOD/DWOT in particular. Remember this a collaboration between TFS and 1C where 1C holds the reins on any material release and publicity/advertising. So, said all of that to say this, IT'S ALL JASON'S FAULT!

Nuff said 

 

S!Blade<><

[Dagwoodyt]

"Watershed" in that it will begin to deflate persistent implications that TFS will be unable to deliver the "Re-launch" in a time frame close to that which was announced in April. Once the "Re-launch" appears inevitable there won't be much point to additional vitriol.

Edited July 1, 2021 by Dagwoodyt

[BladeMeister]

5 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

"Watershed" in that it will begin to deflate persistent implications that TFS will be unable to deliver the "Re-launch" in a time frame close to that which was announced in April. Once the "Re-launch" appears inevitable there won't be much point to additional vitriol.

You are a piece of work dude. You and your thesaurus win. I'm out!

 

S!Blade<><

[Cybermat47]

We will aim to have more content in our next dev diary. Constructive criticism is always welcome - in fact, it’s necessary for improvement. 

 

Please keep in mind, though, that development and PR can and will be impacted by other factors in our members’ lives, such as university and full-time jobs. However, we do still aim to provide our customers with more value for their money.

 

[OBT-Eazy]

43 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

"Watershed" in that it will begin to deflate persistent implications that TFS will be unable to deliver the "Re-launch" in a time frame close to that which was announced in April. Once the "Re-launch" appears inevitable there won't be much point to additional vitriol.

Nothing is less sure. Looks like you are orbiting around an obsession.
Farewell dude.

[Mysticpuma]

I think it is fair to say, quoting these posts from the ATAG forums is a great summary:

 

Karaya:

 

"Frequent developer diaries with more than just written words. I know Pattle is working on this again, it's been far too long since we had any of these from TFS. The last proper dev updates I can think of happened right before the launch of Desert Wings, so almost a year ago. I say I am quite jealous of the GB folks and what they are given in the dev diaries. TFS could even think about doing the occasional live stream to show people how they work on stuff, I know Salmo used to live stream his work on the Tobruk map like 3 years ago. Just gives people the confidence that progress is actually being made. Or have a 3D modeller record himself during his work on a model, do a timelapse of it and put that on the TFS channel. Get free attention!

Also, to a certain few: please refrain from mocking people who demand progress being shown in the form of screenshots or videos. You're doing noone any good. Instead you are just driving new people away and confirming the naysayers who think that CloD is a dead end."

 

-------

 

J-HAT:

 

"Add to that the (sorry for this, Buzz and Pattle, but this is a factor, independently of the reasons why it it so) almost inexistent marketing behind it: no hype, no teasers, no details about upcoming content (almost everything so far announced serves the purpose of changing a negative imagine into a neutral one, just correcting or adding things that „should have been there from the beginning“ when compared to other current games) and barely any community engagement.
We aren‘t getting any traction"

-----------------

How sad is it that DD_Arthur posts an image of CloD with Truesky from over a year ago.... Yet TFS don't feel it is of good enough quality to share? 

 

Publicity drives sales, sales build player base, player base tells friends, friends buy it, they share the marketing and publicity, that drives sales, sales builds......... 

 

Currently, a there is no new player base, just the regulars sitting here waiting for any scraps and steadily they give up hope and move on to other sims.... that publicise what they are doing... because this drives sales..... 

 

Sorry and I don't care if some find it petty, the marketing of the game is terrible and there is no excitement or traction. 

 

Currently everyone is hanging on the "we hope, we expect, we aim",  that's fine when it is built around a steady stream of media, a steady stream of WiP..... all we have is a steady stream of...... silence and trying to get people excited about a few missions as a June update just summarises everything wrong with why there is absolutely no excitement outside of the hangers on for what the future (possibly) holds. 

Edited July 2, 2021 by Mysticpuma

[BladeMeister]

It's a great summary of 2 people/customer's opinions. No more, no less.

 

S!Blade<><

[Dagwoodyt]

At the outset it never occurred to me that any group might interpret the "re-launch" announcement as a betrayal of its' interests.

[Trooper117]

It will be done when it's done as far as I'm concerned... I don't care if we see WiP or not. I have lots of real world stuff plus other sims and games that keep me occupied without having to crib about the lack of 'updates' from the team every five minutes.

If they say they are working on VR, true sky, or any other content I take them at their word... I don't need to see images or video footage to 'prove' they are working at it.

 

[Stickshaker]

I can recommend Il-2 and DCS in VR!

[Dagwoodyt]

The real issue is anxiety over potentially having to surrender some "turf" to "VR people" and sensing one's status has thereby diminished. Fear needn't be rational in order to exert its' power. 

[Trooper117]

3 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

The real issue is anxiety over potentially having to surrender some "turf" to "VR people" and sensing one's status has thereby diminished. Fear needn't be rational in order to exert its' power. 

 

What a load of crap... I'll be very glad for the VR users to get what they need so they can enjoy the game as well.

Some have even bought the game already and are playing it until VR gets implemented.

What I see is someone continually stirring the pot just because they can, that and a need for them to keep some sort of control over their feeling of always/must be right at all costs... 

[BladeMeister]

3 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

The real issue is anxiety over potentially having to surrender some "turf" to "VR people" and sensing one's status has thereby diminished. Fear needn't be rational in order to exert its' power. 

A Troll. Nothing more nothing less. Opinionated factless dribble. Not worth wasting time to respond to.  Or yes as you put it so eloquently Trooper, " WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!"

ROFLMAO!It is hilarious to see this hypothetical disaster unfolding in his busy little mind though. Never resting, always thinking, what if this happens? Oh no, what if that happens? Never a moments rest for the fearful worrying mind.

 

S!Blade<><

[Buzzsaw]

Alright Guys, lets drop the VR vs no-VR slagging.

 

VR will be happening... it won't affect improvements for the rest of the users.

[Stickshaker]

On 7/5/2021 at 11:09 PM, Buzzsaw said:

Alright Guys, lets drop the VR vs no-VR slagging.

 

VR will be happening... it won't affect improvements for the rest of the users.

I don't want to re-ignite the VR discussion but... any news? The last post on this was in July and there was a video, as I remember, where the VR was demonstrated. I am anxiously waiting for VR since my computer layout does not allow me to fly simulators without VR anymore. Yes, I do have BoS and DCS, but the Battle of Britain is of great interest to me.