Developer Diary 283 - Discussion

[Burdokva]

Droptanks!! Those are some great news, can't wait to get them in the sim!

[Habu]

Nice DD with very good news.?

[Frakkas]

THIS:

 

MY HAPPY DANCE

 

 

[Trooper117]

After seeing that 109 with a drop tank I bet there will be a few Luftwaffles with a tear or two in their eyes...

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

2 hours ago, CountZero said:

So asking for a frend ?

 

Will he be able to take 20% fuel and droptank like it worked in good old Il-2 , or will he have to have 100% fule to be able to take droptank option ?

 

I guess it would depend on the plane, in some planes the tanks transferred directly into the main tanks and then the fuel was taken from there into the engine, so in those cases it wouldn't work. In the planes that could take the fuel directly from the drop tanks it will be possible I suppose.

[Jade_Monkey]

I know the goal of drop tanks was to have a simplified fuel management system, that much has been made clear. However i dont know where to draw the line.

 

Will we be able to select the source of the fuel, or will the sim automatically feed from droptanks first and when they are depleted or dropped, then switch to internal tanks?

[BMA_FlyingShark]

4 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

I know the goal of drop tanks was to have a simplified fuel management system, that much has been made clear. However i dont know where to draw the line.

 

Will we be able to select the source of the fuel, or will the sim automatically feed from droptanks first and when they are depleted or dropped, then switch to internal tanks?

In the Q&A a few weeks ago, Jason said we'll be able to select the fuel tanks ourselves.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jade_Monkey]

1 minute ago, FlyingShark said:

In the Q&A a few weeks ago, Jason said we'll be able to select the fuel tanks ourselves.

Have a nice day.

 

 

 

whoa whoa, wait a second, which Q&A?

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Just now, Jade_Monkey said:

whoa whoa, wait a second, which Q&A?

The one from his Birthday. I can't find it back right now but it's here somewhere on the forum.

Maybe others can find it back or at least confirm what I typed there 'bout the fuel management system.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[ITAF_Airone1989]

12 minutes ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

I guess it would depend on the plane, in some planes the tanks transferred directly into the main tanks and then the fuel was taken from there into the engine, so in those cases it wouldn't work. In the planes that could take the fuel directly from the drop tanks it will be possible I suppose.

I'm absolutely not an expert, but in Dcs on the 109 you can have the main tank half empty and the drop tank will fill it until is empty too..

[BMA_FlyingShark]

9 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

 

 

whoa whoa, wait a second, which Q&A?

I found it, scroll down 3 topics to Jason's answers:

 

Have a nice day.

 

Edited June 9, 2021 by FlyingShark

[PatrickAWlson]

Soon I will be able to circumnavigate the map 40 times in my P-51.  Happy days!

 

More seriously, the drop tanks will make a good addition for shorter legged planes in Kuban and Normandy.  Not needed so much on the other maps.  

 

9 minutes ago, ITAF_Airone1989 said:

I'm absolutely not an expert, but in Dcs on the 109 you can have the main tank half empty and the drop tank will fill it until is empty too..

 

I know the P-51 drained its center tank first, then the drop tanks, then the wing tanks.  

Edited June 9, 2021 by PatrickAWlson

[AKA_Hollywood]

Quote

In WWII aircraft news – the P-51B/C is scheduled be the next aircraft released as we work on other things like the V-1 ‘Buzz Bomb’. The P-51B/C will be released late summer; the exact date is unknown at this point, but we’ll have updated pics for you just as soon as we can.

Thank you Devs. 
 

Been waiting for this one to come around. 
Something so sexy about the Razorback Stang.  

Edited June 9, 2021 by AH_Hollywood

[LukeFF]

9 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

More seriously, the drop tanks will make a good addition for shorter legged planes in Kuban and Normandy.  Not needed so much on the other maps.  

 

It'll be a welcome addition especially for 109 units on the Rhineland map, since many of them are situated towards the eastern edges of the map.

[=FEW=Hauggy]

[AndytotheD]

35 minutes ago, ITAF_Airone1989 said:

I'm absolutely not an expert, but in Dcs on the 109 you can have the main tank half empty and the drop tank will fill it until is empty too..

The auxiliary tank on the 109 was fairly simple. It feeds directly into the main tank. The Fw 190A and D aren't dissimilar, iirc. They should feed the auxiliary fuel into the rear fuel tank.

 

Generally speaking, allied fighters seem to feed the auxiliary fuel directly into the engine, though I need to test this as it's been a while since I flew the Spitfire IX/P-47.

 

On the P-51, the engine fed directly off the aux tank. You had to switch back to the left main tank every so often as it would refill from the carb return line over time. The Spitfire should act the same way. Again, I'm not 100% on the P-47 but I believe it also feeds directly to the engine from the externals.

 

 

[senseispcc]

Only great news, when shall it stop?! I personally hope never, Thanks to the great team of designers and all the workers how nearly give us this great game. 

[DerRechtsanwalt]

Great news on the drop tanks. Its definitely something that is needed, particularly in BoB.

 

However, I was wondering if the drop tanks would be tied into the "unlimited ammunition" function in the sim? What i mean is, if you tick this box, bombs and other ordnance will continue to reappear under the aircraft even after they are dropped. Will this happen with the drop tanks too?

[J2_Bidu]

The DXII !!! What a great surprise! Had no idea you were working on this already, the pace is incredible. Your efforts in FC are greatly appreciated.

Edited June 9, 2021 by J2_Bidu

[[-=BP=-]Slegawsky_VR]

There had been an issue with the Spitfire range hence its inception but since Malta slipper tanks started started to appear.

In simple terms there was a bit of competition between 3 Americans squadrons and the brits and the Yanks won obviously.

After P-47 with added 80gallon there was no need for RAF to fly long range except reconnaissance hence Mk,XIX.

P-51B\C changed air war and destroed LW ovever germany in the end.

It was not the Spiitty,

Once forward landing ground were established the role of a Spity pilot was diminished to ground support.

Til then switching tanks was vital to a pilot somewhere over the channel.

 

 

Edited June 9, 2021 by [-=BP=-]Slegawsky_VR

[LukeFF]

1 minute ago, [-=BP=-]Slegawsky_VR said:

There had been an issue with the Spitfire range hence its inception but since Malta slipper tanks started started to appear.

In simple terms there was a bit of competition between 3 Americans squadrons and the brits and the Yanks won obviously.

After P-47 with added 80gallon there was no need for RAF to fly long range except reconnaissance hence Mk,XIX.

P-51B\C changed air war and destroed LW ovever germany in the end.

It was not the Spiitty,

Once forward landing ground were established the role of a Spity pilot was diminished to ground support.

Til then switching tanks was vital to a pilot somewhere over the channel.

 

There are so many inaccuracies here, I'm not even going to try to break them all down.

[[-=BP=-]Slegawsky_VR]

4 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

There are so many inaccuracies here, I'm not even going to try to break them all down.

There is so much inaccuracies i am waiting ti hear quoted. With Reference if possible, please.

[Alexmarine]

5 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

It'll be a welcome addition especially for 109 units on the Rhineland map, since many of them are situated towards the eastern edges of the map.

 

Indeed, apart from some early career units or JG77 units during Wacht am Rhein, the majority of 109 equipped units are so far back based that drop tanks have been a necessity since this career release

[pilotpierre]

Thanks for posting the DD prior to having some time off you lubberly man you.

[Lusekofte]

I have personally no need for drop tank, but then again, once taken off I have no need for a undercarriage either.

But most planes look cool with a drop tank, and that is enough for me. Thank you

[JG7_X-Man]

Drop Tanks!?

[Vishnu]

Woohoo! Thanks for the update!

[LukeFF]

4 hours ago, [-=BP=-]Slegawsky_VR said:

There is so much inaccuracies i am waiting ti hear quoted. With Reference if possible, please.

 

Spits were not relegated to ground support after Normandy, and they were flying long-range missions all the way to the war's end. Source: the entire archive of RAF Operations Records Books and countless secondary sources. 

[Avimimus]

Ah! Good to know and have the source... I wasn't sure which of the statements in the OP that LukeFF was taking issue with!

 

13 hours ago, CountZero said:

So asking for a frend ?

 

Will he be able to take 20% fuel and droptank like it worked in good old Il-2 , or will he have to have 100% fule to be able to take droptank option ?

 

 

So... if there was no engagement with the enemy which required dropping the tanks... wouldn't they fly back with the empties? If so - then wouldn't it make sense to have the option to have a flight with empty drop-tanks which happens to be on its return leg at the start of a mission?

[AndytotheD]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

Ah! Good to know and have the source... I wasn't sure which of the statements in the OP that LukeFF was taking issue with!

 

 

So... if there was no engagement with the enemy which required dropping the tanks... wouldn't they fly back with the empties? If so - then wouldn't it make sense to have the option to have a flight with empty drop-tanks which happens to be on its return leg at the start of a mission?

American fighters flew with paper drop tanks; iirc they could only be used once because the fuel would rot them. There wouldn’t be much point to bring these ones back. 

Edited June 10, 2021 by AndytotheD

[=RS=Funkie]

I do hope we get the option to fill the drop tanks with ice cream mixture.

[Juri_JS]

A question for experts - is it true that USAAF pilots sometimes dropped their fuel tanks on targets like trains or is this a myth?

[SIERRA-TWO-NINE]

There is stories of Pilots dropping half full tanks on ground targets and then following up with tracers to ignite the fuel in the European theatre, (this could be just a myth)

 

in the pacific they were filled with napalm, this may have just been a "field conversion" by also fitting a fuse, but it worked, By the time of the Korean war, old Drop tanks were "officially" turned into Napalm Bombs.

 

Not sure if Napalm was used in Europe outside of ground based Flame throwers, but it could be a cool option or Mod? here's a Pic Below of a Mustang with P40 tanks converted to Napalm in Burma.

 

Also I cannot wait for the Mustang Mk3 (P51B/C) to chase down V1s, For some reason it was always my favourite Mustang, Loving the new Typhoon as well! unbelievable work by the Devs!! 

 

[catchthefoxes]

[Dutchvdm]

14 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

It'll be a welcome addition especially for 109 units on the Rhineland map, since many of them are situated towards the eastern edges of the map.

 

This. Some of the Bf-109 units (JG 77 and JG 3 to name a few) on the Bodenplatte campaign really struggle range wise. But to honest i agree with PW that i can't think of any other examples. On the Kuban map all the fighting takes place between Anapa and Krasnodar so a lot of range is not needed. I'm curious if some of the soviet planes (Including lend-lease) will get droptanks but i would not suspect that.

 

Grt M

 

 

[=621=Samikatz]

8 minutes ago, I./ZG1_Dutchvdm said:

I'm curious if some of the soviet planes (Including lend-lease) will get droptanks but i would not suspect that.

 

Grt M

 

The Soviets trialed drop tanks on the I-15 and I-16, don't know if they made it into widespread use

[LukeFF]

13 minutes ago, I./ZG1_Dutchvdm said:

 

This. Some of the Bf-109 units (JG 77 and JG 3 to name a few) on the Bodenplatte campaign really struggle range wise. But to honest i agree with PW that i can't think of any other examples. On the Kuban map all the fighting takes place between Anapa and Krasnodar so a lot of range is not needed. I'm curious if some of the soviet planes (Including lend-lease) will get droptanks but i would not suspect that.

 

Yes, the Luftwaffe planned to issue drop tanks to the units around Stalingrad, but by the time they arrived the battle was almost over, so they didn't really see any usage there. It's talked about in Volume 4 of Black Cross / Red Star.

[Bremspropeller]

1 hour ago, SIERRA-TWO-NINE said:

Not sure if Napalm was used in Europe outside of ground based Flame throwers, but it could be a cool option or Mod? here's a Pic Below of a Mustang with P40 tanks converted to Napalm in Burma.

 

I'm quite sure it was at least used with the 9th AF, dropped from Jugs.

[sevenless]

26 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

I'm quite sure it was at least used with the 9th AF, dropped from Jugs.

 

Pretty sure they did. This is original footage, one month after end of hostilities on a test range though.

 

HD Stock Video Footage - U.S. P-47s drop napalm on German military site and fortifications , a month after end of World War II in Europe. (criticalpast.com)

[[SN]_Reaper_]

20 hours ago, Cybermat47 said:

That German flak gun sight, meanwhile... hopefully someone will be able to go explain to me how it works 

 

The screenshots shown are not an anti-aircraft sight, but a telescopic sight ZF 3x8 ° Flak for shooting at ground targets.

https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/14718-новый-выпуск-дневников-разработчиков-№283/?do=findComment&comment=842313

Use the Google translator.