Great Battles Future Third Party Collector Planes

[LukeFF]

13 hours ago, ATAG_SKUD said:

Way more realistic bombsight look and operation.

 

How is the operation better / more realistic than here in BoX? I've seen some tutorial videos about level bombing in CloD on YouTube, and to be honest I'm not seeing how it's supposedly so much better than the ones in BoX. Set your altitude, airspeed, select the number of bombs, release interval, make sure the sight isn't drifting, open bomb bay doors and you're good to go. Those procedures apply pretty much to any level bomber in either title.

[CountZero]

One game have historical bombardier position modeled with histrical bombsight, and onother have generic aracade look bombsight with no bombardier position modeled... its like saying look we dont have to have cockpit view, we can have just outside 3rd person view and there is no differance in operation or realisam when you shoot at other airplanes.

 

 

Edited April 28, 2022 by CountZero

[Jackfraser24]

The Germans need more mid war aircraft (1941-43) suited for the Eastern Front battles like the 

• Bf 109 E-3 (if that was still used by the Luftwaffe)
• Bf 109 E-4
• Bf 110 C, D and F series
• Do 17 (used between 1941-42)
• Do 217 E
• Do 217 K
• Do 217 M
• Fw 189 A-1
• Fw 190 A-1
• Fw 190 A-2
• Fw 190 A-4
• More He 111 H variants
• He 177
• Ju 87 B-2
• Ju 87 D-5
• More Ju 88 A series
• Me 210
• Me 323

1 minute ago, Jackfraser24 said:

 

Edited May 1, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[Eisenfaustus]

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

The Germans need more mid war aircraft (1941-43) suited for the Eastern Front battles like the 

• Bf 109 E-3 (if that was still used by the Luftwaffe)
• Bf 109 E-4
• Bf 110 C, D and F series
• Do 17 (used between 1941-42)
• Do 217 E
• Do 217 K
• Do 217 M
• Fw 189 A-1
• Fw 190 A-1
• Fw 190 A-2
• Fw 190 A-4
• More He 111 H variants
• He 177
• Ju 87 B-2
• Ju 87 D-5
• More Ju 88 A series
• Me 210
• Me 323

 

Such a list only makes sense if you cross check wether these planes were used unter currently available areas/timeframes

Without checking I‘m pretty sure that at least the 109 E3, 190 A1/2 and the He 177 don’t fulfill this requirement. Many others I have my serious doubts. 
 

Yet the Ju 87s and Fw 189 I‘d really love to have in game. 

[Jackfraser24]

4 hours ago, Eisenfaustus said:

Such a list only makes sense if you cross check wether these planes were used unter currently available areas/timeframes

Without checking I‘m pretty sure that at least the 109 E3, 190 A1/2 and the He 177 don’t fulfill this requirement. Many others I have my serious doubts. 
 

Yet the Ju 87s and Fw 189 I‘d really love to have in game. 

What about the Hs 123?

[Jackfraser24]

The Dornier 17 should still be included into the game because

• They were still used up to 1942 in small numbers on the Eastern Front by two recon Staffen, and three kampfgruppen. They could be used in Moscow or Stalingrad as fast light bombers.
• People would buy them. There are no flyable ones in CloD, you would have to play a lot of hours on War thunder to fly a Do 17 (if you are playing solely as a German pilot), so the best you will get would be in IL 2 1946 third party add ons. Personally, I would like to fly a Do 17 which has up to date modelling and texturing, flight model, and one that comes along with a pilot career.

The Do 17 would help Great Battles set itself apart from the competition.

Edited May 2, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[tattywelshie]

19 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

The Dornier 17 should still be included into the game because

• They were still used up to 1942 in small numbers on the Eastern Front by two recon Staffen, and three kampfgruppen. They could be used in Moscow or Stalingrad as fast light bombers.
• People would buy them. There are no flyable ones in CloD, you would have to play a lot of hours on War thunder to fly a Do 17 (if you are playing solely as a German pilot), so the best you will get would be in IL 2 1946 third party add ons. Personally, I would like to fly a Do 17 which has up to date modelling and texturing, flight model, and one that comes along with a pilot career.

The Do 17 would help Great Battles set itself apart from the competition.

I’d love a Do 17, always been fascinated by them, one was shot down near my village I grew up in after bombing Swansea so have always been interested in them. The Do217 was also used during the Normandy Campaign as well so that could fit in there. Also, with the 217 we could have the Fritz X as part of the armament, now that would be fun!!!!

[Jackfraser24]

An Me 210 would be nice to fly, but also useful on the Eastern Front.
 

Since only Germany and Hungary used them, the pilots should be able to speak German or Hungarian, depending on which airforce you fly in. 
 

Not many were built (about 258 examples). That could be a problem considering the limited amount of potential pilot career missions available. However, career missions would still nonetheless be interesting to fly on the Eastern Front.

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

An Me 210 would be nice to fly

 

Lol no, it would not. It was a dog of a plane and a deathtrap. 

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Lol no, it would not. It was a dog of a plane and a deathtrap. 

All the more of a challenge then.

[Jackfraser24]

The Me 323 Gigant would be cool to have.

[Jackfraser24]

The Ju 188 and the He 177 is a must for Bodenplatte and Normandy.

Edited July 21, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

27 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

The Ju 188 and the He 177 is a must for Bodenplatte and Normandy.

The 177 was used in Operation Steinbock in small numbers. If Normandy includes the Baby Blitz, both might be useful there. In Bodenplatte, they could be used to replace the He-111 H-16 and Ju-88 A-4 in AQMB and Pilot Career as more contemporary bombers for 1944-45. We need more bombers!!!

[the_emperor]

On 7/21/2022 at 5:00 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

He 177 is a must for Bodenplatte and Normandy

 

No chance. The DB610 engine of the later He-177 were two DB605As bolted together and it had some reliability issues, nonetheless it got 3 min of WEP per manual,

while the later DB605As of the Bf 109s are still stuck with 1min WEP...that would mean they would first have to correct that issue (known and proven since 2018).

Sorry, couldnt help myself ? 

But a Ju-188 would be fantastic. These two Jumo-Engines make that one really fast, and since defensive gunners became useless, speed is currently all we got.

Cheers

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, the_emperor said:

 

No chance. The DB610 engine of the later He-177 were two DB605As bolted together and it had some reliability issues, nonetheless it got 3 min of WEP per manual,

while the later DB605As of the Bf 109s are still stuck with 1min WEP...that would mean they would first have to correct that issue (known and proven since 2018).

Sorry, couldnt help myself ? 

But a Ju-188 would be fantastic. These two Jumo-Engines make that one really fast, and since defensive gunners became useless, speed is currently all we got.

Cheers

That’s ok. Hitler asked far too much of the aircraft. He even wanted it to be used as a dive bomber! He wanted it to have two engines instead of four for aerodynamic efficiency. That was too much to ask for since there were no engines powerful enough for a plane that big to be powered by only two engines. So it was decided that there would be two separate engines working together to power one propeller, each. So it may have well have had four engines, and should have been designed only as a strategic bomber. Out of the 1,100+ that were built, only a minor fraction saw operational service. It could have been really useful, but it wouldn’t have changed the course of WWII. 
 

 

Edited July 22, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[Avimimus]

On 7/20/2022 at 11:35 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

The 177 was used in Operation Steinbock in small numbers. If Normandy includes the Baby Blitz, both might be useful there. In Bodenplatte, they could be used to replace the He-111 H-16 and Ju-88 A-4 in AQMB and Pilot Career as more contemporary bombers for 1944-45. We need more bombers!!!

 

If the goal is to extend into 1945 then the Ju-188 (and other Ju-88 variants) would be what you want. I gather that the the He-177 and the Do-217E/K/M were withdrawn in the second half of 1944 (based on the unit rosters).

 

However, if the goal is expanding the existing 1942-1944 planeset then a Do-217E or He-177 would make sense.

 

[Jackfraser24]

5 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

If the goal is to extend into 1945 then the Ju-188 (and other Ju-88 variants) would be what you want. I gather that the the He-177 and the Do-217E/K/M were withdrawn in the second half of 1944 (based on the unit rosters).

 

However, if the goal is expanding the existing 1942-1944 planeset then a Do-217E or He-177 would make sense.

 

What time period will Normandy cover? Say for example from January 1943 to August 1944.

[Jackfraser24]

Why the Me-210 should be done

• Would appeal to Me 110/210/410 fans
• Would appeal to Hungarian players (especially if the pilots spoke Hungarian)
• Would be great to see where the impending Me-410 was developed from, and why the 410 was made
• IL-2 1946 had a non flyable Me-210 (without a modification), all the more reason to be in Great Battles
• Would be useful in Eastern Front modules from 1942 and later in the Royal Hungarian Air Force
• Would fill the evolutionary gap from the Me 110 and Me 410
• Terrible aircraft at first, but went through a period of significant improvements like altering the airframe to help mitigate instability and handling difficulties 
• You’d feel good about yourself once you become good at flying a death trap 

Edited July 28, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[Enceladus828]

17 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Why the Me-210 should be done

• Would appeal to Me 110/210/410 fans
• Would appeal to Hungarian players (especially if the pilots spoke Hungarian)
• Would be great to see where the impending Me-410 was developed from, and why the 410 was made
• IL-2 1946 had a non flyable Me-210 (without a modification), all the more reason to be in Great Battles
• Would be useful in Eastern Front modules from 1942 and later in the Royal Hungarian Air Force
• Would fill the evolutionary gap from the Me 110 and Me 410
• Terrible aircraft at first, but went through a period of significant improvements like altering the airframe to help mitigate instability and handling difficulties 
• You’d feel good about yourself once you become good at flying a death trap 

 

You have a lot of great points here about why the Me-210 should be included, but unfortunately most people here would be more interested in flying a lot of other planes such as the Ju-188, Hs-123, Ju-87B-2 and D-5, Pe-3 and the IL-4.

[Jackfraser24]

Why the Ju-87 B-2 should be done.

• Many Stuka fans really want this Ju-87 model to be done.
• Many air forces used this variant: Luftwaffe, Regia Aeronautica, and Hungarian, Romanian and Bulgarian Air Forces (sorry if I have missed out any other Air Force worth mentioning).
• Would complement the D-3 at Stalingrad.
• The B-2 could come with the R Variant, like the Fw-190 A-8 came with the F and G models.
• The B-2 would create more pilot career missions for Moscow, Stalingrad, maybe Kuban.
• Would be the only available Ju-87 for a Moscow pilot career because the D series came in the following year.
• A little more devolved from the D-3, being an earlier model. All the more intriguing to fly.

[Jackfraser24]

Why the Hs-129 B-3 should be passed for consideration.

• Would appeal to Hs 129 fans.
• Would appeal to people who just want to strafe with an anti tank gun.
• Hs-129 B-3 would have a historic relevancy if Jason Williams decides to do a late war Eastern Front battle (1944-45). They were used to destroy ground targets like tanks.
• Would help complement the existing Hs-129 B-2 and Fw-190 A-8 as a 1944-45 ground attack plane.
• Could destroy anything on the ground, even with the best armoured protection.
• Your pilot is well protected since the cockpit is heavily armoured.
• Quite a challenging plane with many disadvantages like poor field of vision, heavy and sluggish to fly, etc. Who doesn’t love a challenge?
• Only 25 Hs-129 B-3/WA’s were built, so even though it might just be a filler, it still played an important role in ground attack operations to the very end. 

[Jackfraser24]

Why the Fw-200 should be in the game.

• Would be useful in Normandy as an anti-shipping aircraft.
• 1CGS would make it the best Fw-200 module ever made for flight combat simulators.
• Could be used as a Bomber or a transport aircraft. Played a small part in Stalingrad as transport aircraft.
• Was derived from airline service so it would have a nice classic airliner era feel when flying it.
• Was an AI aircraft in IL-2 1946, so it would be cool to have a Fw-200 flyable in Great Battles.
• Could carry 2,100kg of bombs.
• Had a very good range for it’s era - 3,556km with standard fuel; 4,440km with overload fuel.

[Jackfraser24]

Here is a list of planes that I think really needs to be done for Great Battles before they finish up and move on to IL-2 Series. 

 

German Planes

• Bf-109 E-4
• Bf-109 G-10
• Bf-110 C-7
• Bf-110 F-2
• Do-217 E-2
• Do-217 K-1
• Do-217 M-1
• Fi-156
• Fw-190 A-4
• Fw-190 A-9
• He-115
• He-111 H-20
• He-162A
• Ju-87 B-2
• Ju-87 D-5
• Ju-88 G-1
• Ju-188A/E
• Me-210

Finnish Planes

• B-239 Buffalo
• Blenheim Mk.IV
• Do-17 Z-2
• D.XXI Series 3
• G.50
• Gladiator Mk.II
• Hawk-75A
• Hurricane Mk.I
• Morko Morane 
• MS.406
• MS.410

Italian Planes

• Mc.200 Serie 7

American Planes

• A-20G
• A-26A
• B-26B (Flyable)
• P-38 L-1
• P-47 D-30
• P-47N

British Planes

• Beaufighter Mk.VI
• Beaufighter Mk.X
• Hurricane Mk.IV
• Mosquito Mk.IV
• Meteor Mk.III
• Spitfire Mk.XII
• Spitfire Mk.XVI

Soviet Planes

• IL-2 1944 Series
• IL-4
• LaGG-3 Series 4
• LaGG-3 Series 33
• LaGG-3 Series 66
• La-7
• Pe-2 1943 Series
• Pe-2 1944 Series
• Pe-3Bis
• SB-2
• Tu-2
• Tu-2S
• Yak-3
• Yak-9D
• Yak-9U

Soviet Lend Lease

• B-25H
• P-39N
• P-39Q
• P-40M
• P-40N
• P-63A
• P-63C
• Tomahawk Mk.II

But I know we can't have everything.

[Jackfraser24]

Bf-109 E-4 - 10 reasons why

1. There were minor differences between the E-4 and E-7. It had a less powerful engine; had less powerful armament; less fuel; slightly lighter and couldn’t fly as far. 
2. It had some advantages over the E-7 such as better manoeuvrability and better cockpit visibility. 
3. If anybody wanted to make a YouTube video about the Battle of Britain they could use the E-4 to make it look more realistic. 
4. The Bf-109E was a beautiful looking aircraft and I think it would be nice to have another E sub-variant. 
5. The E-4 would make pilot career more historically accurate in pilot career. 
6. It was an iconic sub-variant of the Bf-109.
7. If the Bf-109 G-6 Late and G-6AS were made when we already had the Bf-109 G-6, I think it would be unreasonable to exclude the E-4. 
8. The E-4 was in the original IL-2 series.
9. The E-4 was used at Odessa (1941), Moscow and Stalingrad.
10. It would appeal to people who like the Bf-109E sub variants.

Edited August 21, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[kraut1]

14 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Bf-109 E-4 - 10 reasons why

1. There were minor differences between the E-4 and E-7. It had a less powerful engine; had less powerful armament; less fuel; slightly lighter and couldn’t fly as far. 
2. It had some advantages over the E-7 such as better manoeuvrability and better cockpit visibility. 
3. If anybody wanted to make a YouTube video about the Battle of Britain they could use the E-4 to make it look more realistic. 
4. The Bf-109E was a beautiful looking aircraft and I think it would be nice to have another E sub-variant. 
5. The E-4 would make pilot career more historically accurate in pilot career. 
6. It was an iconic sub-variant of the Bf-109.
7. If the Bf-109 G-6 Late and G-6AS were made when we already had the Bf-109 G-6, I think it would be unreasonable to exclude the E-4. 
8. The E-4 was in the original IL-2 series.
9. The E-4 was used at Odessa (1941), Moscow and Stalingrad.
10. It would appeal to people who like the Bf-109E sub variants.

Yes, BF-109 E-4 would be nice, especially for a Battle of Britain. Fuel would be same as E7 I suppose, because in IL-2:GB no drop tanks available.

But concerning the armament: the E4 had already from early August onwards the MG-FF/M with the Mine Shells.

 

For Battle of france (we have already sufficient available maps) the -E3 would be great, and it was used during BoB too.

(in my EMG BoF mod I have changed for BoF missions the explosive charge to the russian 20mm and flew with manual propeller control)

[Jackfraser24]

16 hours ago, kraut1 said:

Yes, BF-109 E-4 would be nice, especially for a Battle of Britain. Fuel would be same as E7 I suppose, because in IL-2:GB no drop tanks available.

But concerning the armament: the E4 had already from early August onwards the MG-FF/M with the Mine Shells.

 

For Battle of france (we have already sufficient available maps) the -E3 would be great, and it was used during BoB too.

(in my EMG BoF mod I have changed for BoF missions the explosive charge to the russian 20mm and flew with manual propeller control)

I recon they should do drop tanks. That way we could carry out bomber escort missions without having to worry about running out of fuel.

Edited August 23, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

Bf-109 G-10 - 10 reasons why

• The G-10 would serve a purpose in Bodenplatte pilot career.
• The G-10 would make the game be more historically accurate by being in pilot career.
• The G-10 was built in substantial numbers (2,000+ units).
• The G-10 would complement the Bf-109 G-14 and K-4 nicely.
• The G-10 was made to be a better fighter than the G-14 until the K-4 was ready.
• There are still a few G-10 units still around in air museums around the world.
• The G-10 wouldn't be too hard to model because of the relative similarity to other Bf-109G series.
• The G-10 was in IL-2 1946. It would be nice to see it in Great Battles.
• The G-10 would appeal to those who love Bf-109s, as well as virtual pilots whose ancestors flew that very sub-variant.
• I think it would be good to see as many collector planes made for Great Battles because that has got to be easy money for them.

[GOA_Karaya_VR]

Bf-109 G-10 for fill that gap between the G-14 and K4.

 

Fw-190 A9 for complete the 190 Family.

 

 

Regards.

 

Karaya.

[Jackfraser24]

Bf-109 G-10 AS - 10 Reasons why

• Would help fill in some of the gaps in pilot career in Bodenplatte. 
• Would appeal to late Bf-109G fans.  
• The G-10/AS would be easy money for 1CGS.
• Could be used in a potential late war Eastern Front module such as Konigsberg, Balaton or Berlin (once computer technology is able to process the city).
• Famous fighter aces like Erich Hartmann and Heinz Ewald flew the G-10/AS. 
• It would do well as a high altitude fighter, like the G-6/AS and complement the G-10 (if that ever gets made)
• It was more streamlined than the G-10 base model due to having a smaller radio antennae. 
• Wouldn't be something new to learn how to fly (commonality with other 109s).
• I'd like to see them out do War Thunder in this area. They do not have a G-10/AS (I have no dislike towards War Thunder though, none at all).
• All and all even though I know it would just be another 109, there's nothing physically dislikable about this plane. 

Edited August 23, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[kraut1]

8 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

• Could be used in a potential late war Eastern Front module such as Konigsberg, Balaton or Berlin (once computer technology is able to process the city).

For late war Eastern Front "Courland Pocket October 44 - May 45" could be interesting too:

-Russian and German pilot could really end their Eastern front Pilot Career at 8th May 45.

-Ground and Sea Battles (anti ship missions).

-The only bigger city Riga would be a bit outside of the combat zone, would work with the current technology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courland_Pocket

https://ludwigheinrichdyck.wordpress.com/2019/12/08/life-and-death-struggle-for-the-courland-bridgehead/

Air Units (info for soviet air force link by @sevenless)

https://airwarpublications.com/a-beginners-guide-to-the-soviet-air-force-over-courland/

https://www.weltkrieg2.de/luftwaffe-im-letzten-kriegsjahr/

I will soon release a small mod for mission generation, could be used to test if Courland is a good topic for a new module:

 

[Jackfraser24]

34 minutes ago, kraut1 said:

For late war Eastern Front "Courland Pocket October 44 - May 45" could be interesting too:

-Russian and German pilot could really end their Eastern front Pilot Career at 8th May 45.

-Ground and Sea Battles (anti ship missions).

-The only bigger city Riga would be a bit outside of the combat zone, would work with the current technology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courland_Pocket

https://ludwigheinrichdyck.wordpress.com/2019/12/08/life-and-death-struggle-for-the-courland-bridgehead/

Air Units (info for soviet air force link by @sevenless)

https://airwarpublications.com/a-beginners-guide-to-the-soviet-air-force-over-courland/

https://www.weltkrieg2.de/luftwaffe-im-letzten-kriegsjahr/

I will soon release a small mod for mission generation, could be used to test if Courland is a good topic for a new module:

 

You've done an amazing job so far. Doing Courland would be awesome! When are you aiming to get it done by?

 

Edited August 24, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[kraut1]

15 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

That's awesome! Are you planning on making a map of the Courland next? Because that would be really cool! You've done an amazing job so far.

Not a real map, sorry. I am not able to do that.

But with the similar existing area in the RHEINLAND map and the (simple) modified GUI Map and predefined "semi historical" fronts, plane sets and ground units you can create quick playable missions and see, if the Courland topic is interesting or not.

[Jackfraser24]

1 minute ago, kraut1 said:

Not a real map, sorry. I am not able to do that.

But with the similar existing area in the RHEINLAND map and the (simple) modified GUI Map and predefined "semi historical" fronts, plane sets and ground units you can create quick playable missions and see, if the Courland topic is interesting or not.

Still though that's pretty cool what you guys are doing.

[sevenless]

13 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Bf-109 G-10 AS - 10

 

Sorry nitpicking mode on:

 

There was no such thing as a G10/AS. It was either a G10 or a G14/AS.

 

And yes, for completeness sake of the 109 family we need a G10.

[Jackfraser24]

Bf-110 C-4 - 10 Reasons Why

• The Bf-110C in general was an iconic variant of the Bf-110 which flew sorties in the battles over Poland, France and Britain and was used on the Eastern Front during the initial stages of Operation Barbarossa. 
• The Bf-110C was significantly different to the Bf-110E as the former was effectively a downgrade in comparison to the latter in terms of performance, engine power and armament. Still, difference matters! 
• The C-4 would be useful in the upcoming Odessa module for pilot career as well as for the upcoming Karelia map (Siege of Leningrad included). They'd be useful for ground attack, fighter bombing and bomber escort missions and bomber destroying missions. 
• I believe we need more Bf-110 variants because the Bf-110 played a massive role in WWII in the air and it was not just two variants that flew sorties during the war. 
• The C-4 would be relatively easy money for 1CGS as they could base everything off of Bf-110 variants that are in the game. No, I don't know much about economics but I do believe that there will be enough players (like myself) who would buy it just to have them all. 
• The C-4 came in two variants. The C-4 base model (Zerstorer) and the C-4/B, which was a fighter bomber version of the C-4. I recon this would help make it a popular collector plane.
• The C-4 would be useful if someone wanted to make a Battle of Britain short movie on YouTube in order to make it look more authentic. Or a Battle of the Low Countries such as Belgium for that matter. 
• There are only two Bf-110s in Great Battles - the E-2 and the G-2, and to get either one of them you have to pay for entire modules to get them. So if there was a Bf-110 made as a collector plane and you liked the Bf-110, well you'd be in luck!
• The C4 would appeal to Bf-110 fans and overall I think that it would be a very popular collector plane because of it's semi-multirole capabilities, and because it would contribute to pilot career, or at least in the upcoming Odessa and Karelia maps. 
• It was in IL-2 1946. I know it was a lot easier back then to model heaps of planes in such a short time than what it would be now, but I think it would be nice to see an early version of the Bf-110 in Great Battles. 

Edited August 28, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[kraut1]

On 8/24/2024 at 11:07 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

Still though that's pretty cool what you guys are doing.

It's released. If you are interested you can try. You have already Bodenplatte with the map and the FW190-A8 (3 FW190-A8 sp missions are included)

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/89214-kurland-kurzeme-194445-mod-v01/

 

[Jackfraser24]

Bf-110 C-7 - 10 Reasons Why

• The C-7 was a subvariant of the Bf-110C, which was in my opinion the most iconic of all the Bf-110 variants. It saw action during the blitzkrieg across Europe as well as the Battle of Britain. It was also produced in large numbers. 
• The C-7 would appeal to Bf-110 fans for obvious reasons. It would also appeal to players whose ancestors flew in the C-7, or people who like to do ground attack missions in planes suited for it in general. 
• The C-7 should be relatively easy to make as well as being not too time consuming because they can base it off of the other Bf-110s in the game which as most of you know are the E-2 and the G2. I believe it would be easy money too in order to fund new IL-2 projects. 
• The C-7 would be a useful asset to have in the a Siege of Odessa and a Battle of Kuban 1942 Pilot Career mode as a fighter bomber and close air support aircraft as it could carry up to 1,000 kg worth of bombs. Would also improve historical accuracy of pilot career mode.
• The C-7 would tear down the idea that the only Bf-110 to see service in the Odessa region and the Kuban region were the E-2 and G-2 respectively, when in fact there were multiple variants in an area at the same time. 
• Adding in Bf-110 variants such as the C-4, C-7 and F-2 would add a bit of variant diversity into each single Bf-110 Zerstorer units in pilot career mode, which I think would look more realistic and appealing. 
• The C-7 was greatly different to the already in the game E-2 and the probable future F-2 variants in terms of being a bit of a downgrade in terms of armament and performance, which I think will be more challenging to fly against more advanced Soviet fighters like the Yak-9 and the La-5.
• I believe we need more Bf-110 variants. Certain variants did better than others in lets say ground attack or bomber destroying missions or they were more prevalent in a given area at one stage, i.e. the Bf-110C was more numerous than the Bf-110E or G at Kuban during 1942 (might not actually be true but for example). 
• If anybody wanted to use the Normandy map to make a Battle of Britain YouTube short movie, the C-7 would make the depiction more historically accurate. Also there is a multiplayer scenario coming up where there will be an Operation Sea Lion like scenario so if anybody wanted to record a battle for YouTube, this would be great!
• The C-7 would also be useful in pilot career mode in possible future maps such as Smolensk, Crimea, Kursk or Courland/East Prussia.  

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Some Beaufighters ( IF , IIF , VIF and TF.X ) and ofcourse A-20G ( and some glass nose vestion like C/mk III and J/K ) ..

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Anybody got any ideas for collector planes that Great Battles really needs? I'd be interested to hear them.

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Bf-110D - 1 Reason Why

• The Bf-110D was a long range variant of the Bf-110C which would be useful for long range strike missions as well as for anti-shipping and maritime patrol missions so it would be useful to have in a German pilot career in Kuban and Normandy.