Desperately need ground targets!!!

[VAG_Sevy]

Can we hope to have more motorized and horse-drawn vehicles as well as troops in near future?
 

I can easily imagine that 3d animated objects development is long and difficult, but it seems to me that the interaction with the ground is an important factor in the mind of a flight simulator. While many users just want to engage in aerial combat without questioning, there are also people who like to reproduce events as they might have happened through their missions.
 

If we consider that the development of "Arras" map is based on historical events in spring of 1918 then we must also take context into consideration. For one good and simple reason: to give users and mission makers an occasion to immerse themselves in history so that they can come back to it again and again.

In this spirit, it is necessary to take into account the prerogatives of air forces from that time.

Extract from RAF-CAPS “The Royal Air Force's Centre for Strategic and Conceptual”

https://medium.com/raf-caps/air-power-on-the-western-front-in-1918-dc131ba9a196
 

The RFC’s planned response to the anticipated German Spring Offensive was to ‘render our artillery fire effective’. When Operation Michael started on 21 March, poor weather initially prevented flying. Once the weather cleared, however, the German Air Service had secured control of the air. In the meantime, British static communications had collapsed, with many artillery batteries losing their wireless sets or antennas in the retreat. Failing logistics, a lack of forward airfields and limited aircraft endurance, however, rapidly degraded German control of the air. Trenchard’s replacement, Major General John Salmond, on 25 March concentrated 50% of his fighter strength (27 squadrons) on reserve airfields in support of the British Third and Fifth Armies, ordering every available RFC aircraft to ‘bomb and shoot up everything they can see on the enemy’s side of the line.’ General Duval, commanding the French Air Service, ordered ground attacks from 25 March and one of Foch’s first actions as Allied Supreme Commander was to order on 1 April the ‘first duty of aeroplanes is to assist the troops on the ground by incessant attacks’.

This is most of ARRAS map context, but to reproduce this context we lack ground targets!

Edited May 6, 2021 by TVH46_Assi
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[Zooropa_Fly]

I would hope so.

Normally you'd expect, as development proceeds, for this to be fleshed out with additional 'objects'.

 

Worth bearing in mind that because the game is so focused on the flying side of things - there's a limit to what you can pack into a mission relative to game performance.

Still, variety is the spice..

 

S!

[VAG_Sevy]

9 minutes ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

 - there's a limit to what you can pack into a mission relative to game performance.

You're right! Also I'm not a developer so I dont know all the parameters that affect performance versus the number of 3d objects in a mission! But I'm a user who likes set missions for people I fly with, probably like you. Don't you agree that if we had at least static targets, it would already be a nice development?

[CB77Don246]

Desperately need ground targets!!! We desperately need any thing to this sim. 

I have just purchased the new Wings over Flanders fields BHAH 11 (and it was against the grain) I think FC is a better flying sim and looking but has little content even when and I say when FC2 is here it will lag behind WOFF for content and other things (not graphics or flying)

If only they had got there act together with this WW1 sim it would have been a world beater, ROF (i have) is good but the ai are so bad. They say there is no money in WW1 sims they may be right I just wish I did not find it so interesting.

Sorry to high jack the post I would just like to add if one has the old WOFF PE or UA then don't bother with the new one at nearly £52:00 the changes in the new sim are not worth it IN MY OPINION. 

[BMA_Hellbender]

Great, now I want a horse carriage collector vehicle.

 

Fun fact: a horse has around 15hp peak power output (a human being around 5hp), but I also want a late war 20hp aü horse, or even better a 24hp horse F with an altitude whip.

[SYN_Vander]

Well we do have this:

 

[J99_Sizzlorr]

But they are not animated. Loved your RoF infantry though...

[Angry_Kitten]

I tried machine gunning cows.... talk about invulnerability

[Monostripezebra]

On 5/6/2021 at 8:40 PM, =IRFC=Hbender said:

 or even better a 24hp horse F with an altitude whip.

 

Reported for animal cruelty!!!11!

[BMA_Hellbender]

18 minutes ago, Monostripezebra said:

Reported for animal cruelty!!!11!

Zebras are just horses with Jasta 4 skins.

 

Change my mind.

[CB77Don246]

i understand there is not a lot of content in FC2 but could we keep on track guys or gals.

[Monostripezebra]

1 hour ago, =IRFC=Hbender said:

Zebras are just horses with Jasta 4 skins.

 

Change my mind.

 

That is a really low bar for jokes.. when you first steal the idea and then culturally apropriate it!

[J2_Trupobaw]

36 minutes ago, =IRFC=Hbender said:

Zebras are just horses with Jasta 4 skins.

 

Change my mind.

Zebras are horses with Jasta 6 skins! 

Also:

Edited May 8, 2021 by J2_Trupobaw

[ZachariasX]

Color image of Jasta 4:

 

 

Here, in a sim with correct FM:

 

 

Edit: is it 6? Still, same sport…

Edited May 8, 2021 by ZachariasX

[BMA_Hellbender]

Somewhere on the complete opposite end of the internet there must be an all-female Facebook group completely obsessed and enraged with the cruelty horses have been subjected to in wartime.

 

Meanwhile, here: does this thing come with saddle-mounted Vickers?

[Guest deleted@83466]

8 hours ago, =IRFC=Hbender said:

Somewhere on the complete opposite end of the internet there must be an all-female Facebook group completely obsessed and enraged with the cruelty horses have been subjected to in wartime.

 

Meanwhile, here: does this thing come with saddle-mounted Vickers?

 If you ever find that group, give me a link.

[Monostripezebra]

15 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

Color image of Jasta 4:

 

 

Here, in a sim with correct FM:

 

 

Edit: is it 6? Still, same sport…

You call THAT a correct sim??

I see some glaring inaccuracies with the equipment modeling: Number 01 has a mismatching saddle blanket number and the wrong helmet as does 04 and he does not wear its helmet at all!!

 

Enough with the fake Zebras and back to WW1 (with fake Zebras.. when will we ever get accurately modeled fake zebras from the colonial world war 1?)

 

 

Edited May 9, 2021 by Monostripezebra

[Angry_Kitten]

If they had realistic effects when machinegunned or bombed. Who doesnt wanna fly a bit to low over the coral while dropping a 50kg cooper, and find the gunner has been speared by a horse or cow leg?

 

What  WOULD be the damage value for "random bits of horse or cow" flying through the fueselage or wing

[JG1_Vonrd]

So, whatever happened to Dr. Zebra? Is he still around. I miss being amazed by his flying antics.

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, JG1_Vonrd said:

So, whatever happened to Dr. Zebra? Is he still around. I miss being amazed by his flying antics.

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/profile/85421-monostripezebra/

[J2_Trupobaw]

12 hours ago, JG1_Vonrd said:

So, whatever happened to Dr. Zebra? Is he still around. I miss being amazed by his flying antics.

Look up two posts  .

[Monostripezebra]

Yes

On 5/10/2021 at 4:39 AM, pocketshaver said:

If they had realistic effects when machinegunned or bombed. Who doesnt wanna fly a bit to low over the coral while dropping a 50kg cooper, and find the gunner has been speared by a horse or cow leg?

 

What  WOULD be the damage value for "random bits of horse or cow" flying through the fueselage or wing

 

Those horses murder their enemies quietly.. but sometimes they are not good at hiding the bodies (due to hoofs, I´d assume) and you can still see parts around their backyard..

 

 

Be carefull what you wish for, those COW folks are known to stand their ground even if you bring tanks!

 

 

 

Edited May 11, 2021 by Monostripezebra

[JG1_Vonrd]

24 minutes ago, Monostripezebra said:

Be carefull what you wish for, those COW folks are known to stand their ground even if you bring tanks!

 

This is why many of us are asking for a revision of the DM for the tanks. If the DM was changed the invisible object issue (which looks to be a possible insurmountable thing to get fixed) would become just an annoyance rather than the big problem that it is currently.

Quote

 

 

Edited May 11, 2021 by JG1_Vonrd

[Monostripezebra]

Yeah, I know.. to people like me cows with their camo patterns in black and white are really almost invisible!!

[BMA_Hellbender]

21 hours ago, Monostripezebra said:

Yeah, I know.. to people like me cows with their camo patterns in black and white are really almost invisible!!

 

Neigh on invisible?

[Angry_Kitten]

If the issue is simply something to SHOOT at,,, well thats different. 

 

LOTS of options in the world of vehicles that could be programed as stationary targets. Its just finding someone with time to do so. 

 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

I just created a topic in the Suggestions section of the forum to request horse carts. Who knows, maybe they'll implement them.

 

[J5_Adam]

8 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

I just created a topic in the Suggestions section of the forum to request horse carts. Who knows, maybe they'll implement them.

 

 

You mean like the ones Vander created for Rise Of Flight with walking horses?

On 5/12/2021 at 8:19 AM, =IRFC=Hellbender said:

 

Neigh on invisible?

No. It's moo on invisible. MOOOOO

Edited June 11, 2021 by J5_Adam
BECAUSE!

[J5_Adam]

On 5/12/2021 at 8:19 AM, =IRFC=Hellbender said:

 

Neigh on invisible?

And neeeeeiiigh on the horse carts

[Monostripezebra]

Collectors AAA horsecart?

 

That is actually a WW2 thing.. Lafette 36 on horsecarriage was pretty common..

 

But for WW1 we could settle on dogs?

>The Belgians looking fashionable, too

Edited June 12, 2021 by Monostripezebra

[Monostripezebra]

Or maybe just the AA-horse?

 

 

But remember: Gasmasks-Fieldmods that slow top speed are also an option that is a must for WW1

 

Edited June 12, 2021 by Monostripezebra