Scent Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 Hello! so i was searching for the Ar-234 in the wiki because i am very excited with this addition to the game, and i came across some variants like C-2 a copy of the B-2 but with 4 engines, and the C-3 with 2 mg 151/20 on the nose. BUT i don´t know hom many of these were built or if they maneged to get to the frontline, if someone can write on the comments anything you want to add do it, you will help me learn.
76IAP-Black Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 What we were missing since 1946, was a forward firing version!!! 1
SCG_ErwinP Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) I believe we will take B-2 variant. Spoiler https://planedave.net/2016/12/13/arado-ar234b-2/ Edited April 19, 2021 by SCG_ErwinP 1 2
Avimimus Posted April 19, 2021 Posted April 19, 2021 The C variant wasn't operational. Furthermore, the evidence seems to suggest that almost no operational aircraft carried the rearward firing guns. So the options will most likely be just various mixtures of bombs. I'm hoping that the devs will include an option to just carry an SC500/SD500/AB500/SC1000 bomb on the centre-line. IRL Arados often attacked at medium altitudes and risked getting bounced by allied fighters which were higher up - so they sometimes flew with a reduced armament in order to maximise their speed. They also apparently abandoned level-bombing for this reason. If you really wanted on with a forward firing armament - It appears that several Ar-234B variants were modified to carry WB-151 cannon pods, including one which claimed to have shot down an 'F5' P-38 recon variant over Northern Italy. It actually appears that this field modification may have been common enough that 1/35 Arados carried it (making it more common than some of the other field modifications we have). IMHO, we don't really have any chance of seeing it - primarily due to the lack of photographic evidence, particularly regarding the gun-sights used. You might find this thread interesting: Arado 234 Blitz Bomber - General Discussion - IL-2 Sturmovik Forum (il2sturmovik.com) So, expect to be able to use the aircraft for precision bombing in shallow dives and recon work... armed recon (or intercepting recon aircraft) is likely out of the question. 2
CF-105 Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 Good to add to the list of aircraft for a 1946 scenario. I want to be clear- it's a really cool aircraft, it just wouldn't fit in to a historical setting.
Angry_Kitten Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, CF-105 said: Good to add to the list of aircraft for a 1946 scenario. I want to be clear- it's a really cool aircraft, it just wouldn't fit in to a historical setting. Alot of aircraft designs were completed before the war ended, and some were even in prototyping stages. If we could have a ME 262 built to the original FIGHTER design, wed have something to really roll ourselves with. 1
Avimimus Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 13 hours ago, pocketshaver said: Alot of aircraft designs were completed before the war ended, and some were even in prototyping stages. If we could have a ME 262 built to the original FIGHTER design, wed have something to really roll ourselves with. ?? That is what we have! By the time jet engine development had produced a sufficiently reliable and high thrust engine the Me-262 designs had already evolve to incorporate a swept wing, Mk-108 centred armament, and tricycle undercarriage. The earlier fighter variants had no chance of coming about. The Me-262A which is modelled in the sim is the first operational fighter version of this aircraft. 2
CF-105 Posted April 21, 2021 Posted April 21, 2021 On 4/19/2021 at 11:02 PM, pocketshaver said: Alot of aircraft designs were completed before the war ended, and some were even in prototyping stages. If we could have a ME 262 built to the original FIGHTER design, wed have something to really roll ourselves with. If you aren't yet aware, IL-2 doesn't use prototype aircraft in the historical installments, because they weren't operational aircraft used on the front. However, if the devs ever do a new 1946 scenario I'd love to fly some cool prototypes around like the Ar-234 C, Ho 229, etc.
Lolrawr Posted April 21, 2021 Posted April 21, 2021 Prototypes are cool but i feel like implementing them into a historical game is just the begining of the end, you go on a downward spiral and never recover. 1
Bucket109 Posted April 22, 2021 Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) An ar 234 c4 was shot down April 4 1945 by U.S east of reinharthausen. An nachtigall b2's had guns. Edited April 22, 2021 by Bucket109 1
sevenless Posted April 22, 2021 Posted April 22, 2021 For those of you interested in operational use of the Arado, I can reccomend you this little book. It gives a pretty good overview. You can find it here or on amazon. https://ospreypublishing.com/arado-ar-234-bomber-and-reconnaissance-units
Cybermat47 Posted April 22, 2021 Posted April 22, 2021 On 4/20/2021 at 4:35 AM, Avimimus said: It actually appears that this field modification may have been common enough that 1/35 Arados carried it (making it more common than some of the other field modifications we have). The Luftwaffe used 1/35 Ar-234s? Are you sure? I can only find information about 1/32 Ar-234s: Anyway, @Feathered_IV, this might lead your to more information about the miniature Fw-190s you were investigating earlier. 2
Bolo_ Posted August 9 Posted August 9 On 4/19/2021 at 8:35 PM, Avimimus said: The C variant wasn't operational. Furthermore, the evidence seems to suggest that almost no operational aircraft carried the rearward firing guns. So the options will most likely be just various mixtures of bombs. I'm hoping that the devs will include an option to just carry an SC500/SD500/AB500/SC1000 bomb on the centre-line. IRL Arados often attacked at medium altitudes and risked getting bounced by allied fighters which were higher up - so they sometimes flew with a reduced armament in order to maximise their speed. They also apparently abandoned level-bombing for this reason. If you really wanted on with a forward firing armament - It appears that several Ar-234B variants were modified to carry WB-151 cannon pods, including one which claimed to have shot down an 'F5' P-38 recon variant over Northern Italy. It actually appears that this field modification may have been common enough that 1/35 Arados carried it (making it more common than some of the other field modifications we have). IMHO, we don't really have any chance of seeing it - primarily due to the lack of photographic evidence, particularly regarding the gun-sights used. You might find this thread interesting: Arado 234 Blitz Bomber - General Discussion - IL-2 Sturmovik Forum (il2sturmovik.com) So, expect to be able to use the aircraft for precision bombing in shallow dives and recon work... armed recon (or intercepting recon aircraft) is likely out of the question. C-4 was operational just few planes, just before end war KG76 received C-4's
Avimimus Posted August 10 Posted August 10 That said - I should add that further research has largely debunked the F-5 kill claim. It seems relatively unlikely.
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