G2 and Quest 2

[DD_Mobius_One]

OK all.  I am so on the fence about purchasing one of these.  I have been watching videos and readin what I can. I want to purchase but maybe you all can tell me if I should wait , upgrade my system and buy after the summer .  If I can find the upgrades needed of course.   I will use the VR to race ACC but mostly fly IL2.

 

Specs : 

 

AMD 3600X

16GB RAM

GPU 1070

 

Should I go for a new GPU or which of the two HMD can I run decently as I sit?  

 

I know I am going to get killed for these questions but please proceed.  Push me in the right direction!

 

 

 

 

[kissTheSky]

From what I’ve read over the years, especially G2 due to its high resolution displays, requires a “portly” GPU. The bad thing is, getting a decent GPU nowadays is nigh impossible. 
 

if I were in your shoes, I’d be on the lookout for a new GPU. Not sure about your CPU (not really up to speed on AMD), I’m sure others will chime in. 

Edited April 13, 2021 by kissTheSky

[Charlo-VRde]

With that rig you may want to start with an Oculus Quest 1 (the original Oculus Quest), which you can probably find pretty cheaply used. Sure, you'll see screen door effect, but it's a good, inexpensive introduction to finding out if you even enjoy VR, and may motivate you to finding some way to upgrade your rig.

 

Last year I enjoyed my original Quest on my Skylake i7 6700K with a Titan X. I was then motivated to upgrade to what I now have in my signature, knowing that I can fly in VR for hours without eye or head and neck discomfort.

[chiliwili69]

If you don´t care about being forced to have a Facebook account I would go to a Rift-S second hand. There will be many now.

 

If you care, then I would go to a second hand G1.

 

Then decide if VR is for you (not all people like VR) and decide to upgrade PC and then headset. Who knows, maybe after summer there are new headsets on scene.

 

Currently my favourite headset for IL-2 is Index.

[Spasticus]

A quest 2 is imo good as entry level because it's so damn cheap to begin with, but with a 1070 I think you might struggle a little in IL-2 in any VR headset.  GPU's have insane prices right now though. The problem is that GPU's are going to stay expensive for another year, probably 2, I reckon, because the production capacity is simply not there. Unless a crypto crash happens but noone can predict that.

On the other hand, I'm mostly CPU bound (8600K paired with 3080) so maybe you can reach similar performance to me with fewer bells and whistles. 

 

If I were you I'd buy a Quest 2 and try it out, see if the performance is good enough after optimizing your settings and keep it if it is. Otherwise, return it (if you're from the EU you have two weeks to do that). 

Edited April 14, 2021 by Goldstein

[HunDread]

3 hours ago, Goldstein said:

GPU's are going to stay expensive for another year, probably 2, I reckon, because the production capacity is simply not there

 

They are going to remain expensive as long as people buy them anyway.

[=420=Syphen]

With that rig @DD_Mobius_One you'll find the G2 harder to run due to resolution and the Quest HMD's hard to run due to video compression overhead requirements. 

 

I'm going to second either a new GPU for either of them, or look at grabbing a Rift S. 

[AFsparrow1968]

dear community 

do you know if rtx 3080 is compatible with quest2 oculus link?. indeed, on official site, GPU 30xx series are not listed.

does someone use a quest2 rtx 3080 for flight sims ?

if confirmed,  I think I will buy this very cheap and versatile headset for my first VR experience. 

 

thanks in advance for your feedback 

 

[=420=Syphen]

7 minutes ago, AFsparrow1968 said:

dear community 

do you know if rtx 3080 is compatible with quest2 oculus link?. indeed, on official site, GPU 30xx series are not listed.

does someone use a quest2 rtx 3080 for flight sims ?

if confirmed,  I think I will buy this very cheap and versatile headset for my first VR experience. 

 

thanks in advance for your feedback 

 

 

 

Yes, it'll work. I've run IL2 via Oculus Link on my Quest 2 a few times with an RTX 3070.   Still trying to get my hands on a 3080.  :D

[AFsparrow1968]

thanks to hear nvidia's 30xx series work perfectly with oculus link. it is strange anyway that official oculus web page does not list them?

are you satisfied with your quest 2?

 

happy flying!?

[Slechtvalk]

Using a Q2 with a 3060Ti, runs great! G2 is better but not that much. Also you can use the Q2 wireless, a cable hanging on your back is a bit annoying.
The Q2 also can be used @120hz soon with an update, although not that useful with il-2 since you won't reach 120 fps (maybe when looking @ the sky).

There will be new headsets coming out though, like the Pico 3 and the DecaGear, most likely they will be a bit better then the Q2 for a good price (like €500 +\-).

https://www.roadtovr.com/pico-standalone-neo-3-headset-china/

https://www.deca.net/decagear/

Edited April 14, 2021 by Slechtvalk

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Very good suggestions in here, indeed.

 

G2 I wouldn't get below a 2080ti or 3070. It certainly is the better headset if you want to go fly only Flight Simulations. But:

 

Q2 is great and versatile and may serve you to enjoy roomscale VR and its flexibility even before you got a new GPU. It also has a better software stack than WMR imho. It's especially better if you want to dive into other VR experiences and games as well. 

[AFsparrow1968]

thanks for your links. I think VR start to really take off and is more affordable. 

I am more and more interesting in quest 2. it is true that g2 reverb have a better clarity as I read in reviews but many issues with AMD chipsets ( I have an asus rog strix f gaming wifi b550) so I prefer to avoid it for my first VR experience. 

 

have a nice evening. 

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Just now, AFsparrow1968 said:

thanks for your links. I think VR start to really take off and is more affordable. 

I am more and more interesting in quest 2. it is true that g2 reverb have a better clarity as I read in reviews but many issues with AMD chipsets ( I have an asus rog strix f gaming wifi b550) so I prefer to avoid it for my first VR experience. 

 

have a nice evening. 

The AMD USB issues have been fixed, but you'll need to update your Motherboard BIOS to at least AGESA 1.2.0.2, the HP Reverb G2 Firmware, and keep Windows 10 up-to-date. It's merely a formality, these things can get executed automatically nowadays.

 

 

On comparison, @chiliwili69 created a very nice one: 

 

It's very true that the color palette and black levels of the G2 are hard to beat. They're almost OLED-esque. If you want to retire an OLED headset, this is the one.

[AFsparrow1968]

yes I think AMD will finally solve USB issues. I am very happy of my 5600x which is really powerful and run all my sims at ultra quality (dcs,il2,rise of flight, cliff of Dover, falcon 4 bms). my gpu is 1080ti. it is not the latest one but behaviour is still very honorable. 

I am very excited to order my quest 2 to immerse in a full cockpit. so many pilots reported it change their way of flying 

 

thank you community for all your advices ?✈?

[Spasticus]

5 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

The AMD USB issues have been fixed, but you'll need to update your Motherboard BIOS to at least AGESA 1.2.0.2, the HP Reverb G2 Firmware, and keep Windows 10 up-to-date. It's merely a formality, these things can get executed automatically nowadays.

 

 

On comparison, @chiliwili69 created a very nice one: 

 

It's very true that the color palette and black levels of the G2 are hard to beat. They're almost OLED-esque. If you want to retire an OLED headset, this is the one.

Thr quest 2 is much more versatile if you ever play other games than IL2 (which I recommend). It's also cool that it works quite well for simple apps and games as standalone. The next time I'm going on vacation I will be taking my VR goggles, lol. Seems awesome to sit in your own cinema while a passenger on a plane.

 

The G2 has much poorer hand tracking, is twice as expensive, has better field of vision but is also more demanding on hardware. And, with the most recent update announced today, the Quest 2 will support native wireless play (which is awesome, vastly increases the time I spend playing VR), a virtual keyboard (very useful if you need to learn your keybinds while playing IL2 as well as 120hz (requires top hardware, probably) vs the 90hz max of the G2. I'd buy the quest 2 and put the saved money toward a new gpu if you don't mind the Facebook data harvesting. That's always a big drawback. 

Edited April 14, 2021 by Goldstein

[AFsparrow1968]

hello,

 

still thinking about which headset to chose... g2 or quest 2 or waiting....quest 2 is good versatile but apparently it cannot charge while playing (see post below). it is a big problem for PC VR  simmers. I usually fly more than 2 hours so it should be very disappointing if quest 2 shut down during flight due to low battery! 

if someone have feedback concerning a solution to charge it while flying,  you are really welcome.  it will help me in the choice for my first VR experience. 

 

thanks to all 

have a great day 

 

 

 

[Spasticus]

That's wrong. I routinely charge my Quest 2 while playing. What would be the point of wearing a powerbank on my head if it didn't work? The only thing I can imagine is that that guy uses his front USB sockets that are underpowered to connect his VR headset. Just move to a USB 3.0 port on the back that does have sufficient power. Or just skip wires altogether (because they suck) and buy this strap together with a powerbank for like 50 bucks and you can play for 5 hours without any wires at all. That's what I do.

Edited April 15, 2021 by Goldstein

[AFsparrow1968]

hello,

 

still thinking about which headset to chose... g2 or quest 2 or waiting....quest 2 is good versatile but apparently it cannot charge while playing (see post below). it is a big problem for PC VR  simmers. I usually fly more than 2 hours so it should be very disappointing if quest 2 shut down during flight due to low battery! 

if someone have feedback concerning a solution to charge it while flying,  you are really welcome.  it will help me in the choice for my first VR experience. 

 

thanks to all 

have a great day 

 

 

 

thanks for link Goldstein,

 

does this strap with a battery is not to heavy for your head for long flying sessions? 

anyway I cannot imagine that it is impossible to charge while playing. i have an USB A and USB C port gen 2 3.2 on my asus rog strix b550 f gaming wifi where it should work. if it doesn't,  it is not acceptable. In your car, you can use your phone (Waze, calls...etc) while charging it progressively through 12v cigarette plug!

 

have a great day  

Edited April 15, 2021 by AFsparrow1968

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

9 hours ago, Goldstein said:

Thr quest 2 is much more versatile if you ever play other games than IL2 (which I recommend). It's also cool that it works quite well for simple apps and games as standalone. The next time I'm going on vacation I will be taking my VR goggles, lol. Seems awesome to sit in your own cinema while a passenger on a plane.

 

The G2 has much poorer hand tracking, is twice as expensive, has better field of vision but is also more demanding on hardware. And, with the most recent update announced today, the Quest 2 will support native wireless play (which is awesome, vastly increases the time I spend playing VR), a virtual keyboard (very useful if you need to learn your keybinds while playing IL2 as well as 120hz (requires top hardware, probably) vs the 90hz max of the G2. I'd buy the quest 2 and put the saved money toward a new gpu if you don't mind the Facebook data harvesting. That's always a big drawback. 

Agreed, it's much more expensive and the Controller tracking is bad. That is why I said, that if he was just simming = go for the G2, but if he likes roomscale = go Q2.

 

 I've been trying to make the G2 controllers work with gunstock etc, but the solution was to go back to Reverb G2 + Lighthouses + Index Controllers. That is easily at 1200USD. The screens, beyond doubt, are radically better than the Q2's or anything else. I use jewcookie's thingieverse G2 Gasket so I'm closer to the lenses as well, with a soft PU leather padding, increasing FOV and presense without seeing any screen borders.

 

 

This will be interesting: The next HTC headset. They must deliver now, and they will.

 

If this will be lighthouse tracking and bring better lenses (less supersampling needed than G2) with the same native resolution, I'll surely be checking out one of those.

Edited April 15, 2021 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[DD_Mobius_One]

All Great info.   New question.  A friend gave me a 1080 (non TI) .   do you think that will work with the Q2 well on IL2 and DCS?

[=420=kingcrab]

On 4/13/2021 at 11:14 AM, DD_Mobius_One said:

...I will use the VR to race ACC ...

 

 

 

 

 

Hate to be the one to say this but ACC in VR is a no go. It's such a sh*t show. Nothing to do with anyones specs or hardware, but the game itself is just not optimized in anyway for VR, and while technically it runs, even people with 3080s have to turn the settings down so low to get it to run at a decent frame rate, it looks like absolute garbage. Better to set your sights on just regular AC, which has a lot more support for VR (100% of which is coming from the community).

[TheSNAFU]

4 hours ago, DD_Mobius_One said:

All Great info.   New question.  A friend gave me a 1080 (non TI) .   do you think that will work with the Q2 well on IL2 and DCS?

i have the non ti 1080. It works fine but of course at a lower resolution and some reduced game settings. I’m stuck with that till I can get a 3080 card. I’m still enjoying the experience on the 1080.