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1 minute ago, Han said:
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Hello Everyone!

Time does not stand still, just as work on the Battle for Normandy project does not stand still. Work is underway on various technologies as well as development of ground equipment, maps, aircraft and ships.

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And because Battle for Normandy is a project about combat aircraft, you are waiting patiently for news about the progress of aircraft in development. So here we have something new to show you today! It is the cockpit of the Hawker Typhoon Mk.Ib fighter-bomber. 

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Full news - here is a full text and visual materials

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It looks like we're getting both the original gunsight and the field-modified windscreen one as options! At least if they didn't change their mind at some point (earlier development shots showed a conventional gunsight).

 

I'd be interested to hear what ships people think are appropriate. Obviously they can't do large capital ships - although a British and a German destroyer might be tempting. My personal inclination is to say that smaller ships (ones more vulnerable to strafing and small bombs from fighters) are most important - and ones which weren't primarily used during the initial landings.

 

So I'd go actually prioritise a motor gun boats or coastal patrol boats (in addition to our current torpedo boats) as well as canal barges (for interdiction missions). These would seem to be more valuable for gameplay than landing craft or destroyers.

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5 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

It looks like we're getting both the original gunsight and the field-modified windscreen one as options! At least if they didn't change their mind at some point (earlier development shots showed a conventional gunsight).

 

I'd be interested to hear what ships people think are appropriate. Obviously they can't do large capital ships - although a British and a German destroyer might be tempting. My personal inclination is to say that smaller ships (ones more vulnerable to strafing and small bombs from fighters) are most important - and ones which weren't primarily used during the initial landings.

 

So I'd go actually prioritise a motor gun boats or coastal patrol boats (in addition to our current torpedo boats) as well as canal barges (for interdiction missions). These would seem to be more valuable for gameplay than landing craft or destroyers.

 

I always think of destroyers as the key fighting ships for Normandy, more so than motor boats.  Could be lack of knowledge on my part but tales of DDs is what I have read.  Also very valuable for missions outside of the landings.  Ju88c patrols and what not.   

 

Motor boats and small freighters are important for coastal operations.  A fishing vessel and/or coaster that can be use for both sides.  

 

Small landing craft are important for the actual day.  

 

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5 minutes ago, JG51_Beazil said:

Thanks for the update.  I was wondering what the Naval component might look like.  I wonder what other ships we could see.  

This. Boats are kewl

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Looks like I'm going to have to practice my attacks on naval targets. For some reason the ships on the Kuban map always give the most trouble when it comes to accurate anti-aircraft fire. I'm shaking at the thought of an entire landing force pointing their guns up at me.

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28 minutes ago, 6FG_Big_Al said:

I fixed that for you ;)

No He-111 H6 were used over Normandy, but there were a few Ju-88 A4 LT torpedo bombers active. The majority of Luftwaffe torpedo bombers were Ju-88 A17, but I doubt we will ever see this type in the game. The Ju-88 A4 LT would be relatively easy to create. The dive brakes have to be removed from the standard Ju-88 A4 and the Torpedokommandogerät (ToKG) added.

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1 minute ago, ZachariasX said:

I do love that Typoon cockpit! Great work!

I love how the cockpit is modeled.

But whenever I fly the Tempest, it drives me bonkers that I have to duck my head to check the RPM and boost, because that little bar on the cockpit is just right in the wrong place. So it's a case of "good job devs, Hawker what were you thinking?"

I'm gonna fly the hell out of it and complain the whole time, in the finest traditions of the RCAF.

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Aah Tiffie  I can't wait to  "very beginning of the summer." 

 

Is it a summer almost gone already in Australia?

 

For me it looks like a ready 🤩

 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Juri_JS said:

No He-111 H6 were used over Normandy, but there were a few Ju-88 A4 LT torpedo bombers active. The majority of Luftwaffe torpedo bombers were Ju-88 A17, but I doubt we will ever see this type in the game. The Ju-88 A4 LT would be relatively easy to create. The dive brakes have to be removed from the standard Ju-88 A4 and the Torpedokommandogerät (ToKG) added.

It was more meant as a joke^^ Besides that I would love to see Torpedoes as an general addition in the sim to aircraft that could carry them historically.

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Thanks for the DD guys.

 

So much cool stuff coming to the sim and we've already got lots of cool stuff to play with... I'll soon be spending more time deciding what aircraft or tank I wish to use than playing the actual sim...not a bad compliant at all, bring it on!  🥂

 

 

 

 

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Loving the detail on the LCI(L), bodes well for the naval enthusiasts amongst us! Or perhaps those who really hate ships and want to sink them... 

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Both the LCI and Tiffie looking great 👍. Am I allowed to sink the LCI with the Typhoon's rockets...? 🤔

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16 minutes ago, 216th_Cat said:

Both the LCI and Tiffie looking great 👍. Am I allowed to sink the LCI with the Typhoon's rockets...? 🤔

Only if you keep flying east and defect afterward.

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4 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

I always think of destroyers as the key fighting ships for Normandy, more so than motor boats.  Could be lack of knowledge on my part but tales of DDs is what I have read.  Also very valuable for missions outside of the landings.  Ju88c patrols and what not.   

 

Motor boats and small freighters are important for coastal operations.  A fishing vessel and/or coaster that can be use for both sides.  

 

Small landing craft are important for the actual day. 

 

Yeah - but I was thinking 'since the day can't actually be modelled'... only the landing ships and supply vessels (and maybe the floating docks) would be relevant.

 

I think the reason why Motor Gun Boats are interesting is that they were used to counter E-Boats as coastal patrol and close escort ships to protect merchants in the Channel - so not only did they screen the landing force - they have intensive use both before and after the landings (and we already have an E-Boat for them to combat).

 

Looking at allied losses from June to October 1944, it would seem that minesweepers suffered as much as Destroyers:

 

Naval warfare ships:
14 Destroyers
10 MTB/MGB and Submarine Chasers
5 Frigates, Corvettes

 

Mine warfare:
11 Minesweepers and 5 Minelayers

 

Transports:
7 LST
2 Transports
2 Tugs

 

Landing craft:

41 LCT
16 LCI
6 Other Landing craft (LCF, LCG, LCH).

 

So, if they can't model the actual landings small ships on both sides (i.e. MTB, MGB, Harbour patrol/Armed trawler) are pretty attractive, alongside destroyers, minesweepers, and transports. Also, the river barges as important targets for interdicting supplies would seem to be a priority!

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Landing craft looks very nicely detailed as is the Typhoon cockpit, excellent work guys, really appreciated.:cool:

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.:biggrin:

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8 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

Yeah - but I was thinking 'since the day can't actually be modelled'... only the landing ships and supply vessels (and maybe the floating docks) would be relevant.

 

I think the reason why Motor Gun Boats are interesting is that they were used to counter E-Boats as coastal patrol and close escort ships to protect merchants in the Channel - so not only did they screen the landing force - they have intensive use both before and after the landings (and we already have an E-Boat for them to combat).

 

Looking at allied losses from June to October 1944, it would seem that minesweepers suffered as much as Destroyers:

 

Naval warfare ships:
14 Destroyers
10 MTB/MGB and Submarine Chasers
5 Frigates, Corvettes

 

Mine warfare:
11 Minesweepers and 5 Minelayers

 

Transports:
7 LST
2 Transports
2 Tugs

 

Landing craft:

41 LCT
16 LCI
6 Other Landing craft (LCF, LCG, LCH).

 

So, if they can't model the actual landings small ships on both sides (i.e. MTB, MGB, Harbour patrol/Armed trawler) are pretty attractive, alongside destroyers, minesweepers, and transports. Also, the river barges as important targets for interdicting supplies would seem to be a priority!

 

Do you think the Mulberry's should be modeled? There has to be a limit obviously due to limits, although having HMS Roberts for instance would be nice as the Monitors were quite unique and re-usable if we ever get to the Med.

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1 hour ago, TheBlackPenguin said:

Do you think the Mulberry's should be modeled? There has to be a limit obviously due to limits, although having HMS Roberts for instance would be nice as the Monitors were quite unique and re-usable if we ever get to the Med.

 

Honestly, I don't really think I ought to think in some ways - the devs have a lot to deal with and a lot of decisions to balance :) 

 

But, it would makes sense for the Mulberrys to be there (given that they are large features which remained visible from the air)... I suspect that the Roberts class have too many anti-aircraft guns to be modelled though. I think we'll be lucky to get a German and an Allied Destroyer (and there is no guarantee of that), and we should feel very lucky if we also get a British MBG or American MTB... and like we've won the lottery if we get a river barge... it is still interesting to discuss the possibilities though.

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24 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

Honestly, I don't really think I ought to think in some ways - the devs have a lot to deal with and a lot of decisions to balance :) 

 

But, it would makes sense for the Mulberrys to be there (given that they are large features which remained visible from the air)... I suspect that the Roberts class have too many anti-aircraft guns to be modelled though. I think we'll be lucky to get a German and an Allied Destroyer (and there is no guarantee of that), and we should feel very lucky if we also get a British MBG or American MTB... and like we've won the lottery if we get a river barge... it is still interesting to discuss the possibilities though.

 

Yes, agree 100%. 

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