figuring out controls

[Angry_Kitten]

when cfan we expect a cleaning up of the game controls?

 

Example, landing gear, there are THREE damned options for workign them.  Simply hitting the button G to lower them, and hitting the button G again to raise.   OR we have a specific button PLUS G to lower, and another combination to RAISE.... 

 

Same with zoom.  I have it by DEFAULT onto TWO different buttons. one button, 3, on my hotas to zoom in, but that only gives me the same zoom level that hitting numpad 5 does to center on the gun sight.  And hitting 5 to zoom out fully.    

And hitting the mouse wheel to zoom in and out, however the mouse wheel zoom zooms in three times as far as the hotas button can. 

 

How do i get everything switched to hotas?  How do i find the damn mapping option that lets me rehook everything?

 

Lets get the damn controls cleaned up, then we can start dinking with how powerful weapons are.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I haven’t done any mapping through TARGET on my Warthog. There are three columns and the option to delete inputs through the game GUI. The problem is there are different operating mechanisms for different things; electric vs manual vs hydraulic, etc. So, while some of the inputs are redundant some necessitate different inputs. It may take a while to sort it out but I’m pretty happy with my setup now. Just in time to dump my Warthog for a Virpil setup too

Oh, I set my zoom in to graduated on a hat and back to regular cockpit view on the opposite side of the hat. I’ve never had use for a graduated out zoom.

 

I’m on my phone ATM so I can’t give you specifics. We can PM or TeamSpeak later if you want to set things up through the GUI.

Edited February 21, 2021 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[Angry_Kitten]

its part of the problem is switching from aircraft, until each aircraft has its own directory for mapping controls, or at the very least basic ones that go from one to another, trying to fly is a fucking nightmare. 

 

i use 3 aircraft for 90% of my flying as they are essentially the same controls, but some do not respond to the same controls in the mapping section of the game settings. 

 

Some dont pop the canopy open UNTIL i hit the eject code, some dont respond at all to the way the game is setup for defaults yet. 

 

Some ONLY seem to accept the throttle hotas as the ACTUAL throttle control unless I run it up and down from 0 to 100% at the very start of the mission BEFORE i move my actual joystick. Otherwise some planes like the Tempest and P47 think moving my joystick to roll left and right is the throttle input. 

 

Just the little things like that, as so many controls in the mapping section DO NOT list an acctual button on the hotas or joystick key pad, but those buttons do SOMETHING i cant see in game. Namely based on if i push this button i get warning technotes about radiotor flaps, etc. 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I don’t have any of those issues. All of my throttle, mixture, cowl flaps, etc work from AC to AC. Some controls like elevator trim are different with intent - electric vs manual etc.  I’m sure someone will be along to help but it genuinely sounds like it’s on your end and not a game problem. It is definitely an atypical input issue.

Edited February 21, 2021 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[354thFG_Leifr]

Map controls like for like, despite the difference in name or technical function.

For example; all elevator trim controls are mapped to POV 270/90, whether that's horizontal stabliser, elevator trim, or whatever else it may be called in a different aircraft. That way I know that my trim authority will always remain the same between aircraft of different years and forces. It's not so problematic really.

[itsbillyfrazier]

@pocketshaver

 

It can be frustrating to get the controls setup at first, but once you get a basic understanding of how to map them as you want, you will soon be able to perfect your control setup to how you like with some tweaking here and there.

 

I found the below link to a spreadsheet very useful when mapping controls.

 

It shows at a glance what controls you need to map for a particular aircraft but also the commonality of the control setup across different aircraft. This means you can map controls to the same axis/buttons that share the same functionality  (Leifr gives an example of this in the comment above - also worth reading the "Notes" on the ALL Keys/controls tab for useful tips on what functions can be combined).

 

The spreadsheet should help clarify and speed this process up.

 

 

Edited February 21, 2021 by itsbillyfrazier

[kestrel79]

I think there's multiple options for the same function to appeal to a wide range of joysticks, throttles, levers, keys, anything us simmers use to get more immersion.

 

For example I used to use the big red button under my finger tips on the Warthog Throttle, so I mapped the "Gear Up/Down" to it, since I needed one button to do both tasks. But since getting an Aiologs Sequential Shifter for Simracing...it doubles for me as an AWESOME Gear Up/Down lever. So now I map one shift for Gear Down, and another shift on the shifter for Gear Up. Very immersive, feels awesome in game in VR to crank that baby to get the gear down. Highly recommend it if you have some spare USB ports and are into Simracing as well.

[Sokol1]

On 2/20/2021 at 11:00 PM, pocketshaver said:

when cfan we expect a cleaning up of the game controls?

 

Example, landing gear, there are THREE damned options for workign them.  Simply hitting the button G to lower them, and hitting the button G again to raise.   OR we have a specific button PLUS G to lower, and another combination to RAISE.... 

 

Nope, no reason for this. Not everyone use the the same controllers:

 

- An guy with CH controllers, that has only press buttons use one these buttons for "Toggle landing Gear" command (the same of G key).

 

- An guy with VirPil throttle, Warthog throttle, button box can use an ON-OFF latching switch for the commands Lower Gear and Raise Gear, and have a control with visual and tactile feedback of landing gear control position. See the difference?

 

Some guys just want play a video game, don't care about controls, others want "simulate fly a virtual plane" with more elaborate controls, so "the mileage varies".

 

 

Each one use the command that fit for him.

Edited February 23, 2021 by Sokol1

[KevPBur]

On 2/22/2021 at 6:01 PM, kestrel79 said:

I think there's multiple options for the same function to appeal to a wide range of joysticks, throttles, levers, keys, anything us simmers use to get more immersion.

 

For example I used to use the big red button under my finger tips on the Warthog Throttle, so I mapped the "Gear Up/Down" to it, since I needed one button to do both tasks. But since getting an Aiologs Sequential Shifter for Simracing...it doubles for me as an AWESOME Gear Up/Down lever. So now I map one shift for Gear Down, and another shift on the shifter for Gear Up. Very immersive, feels awesome in game in VR to crank that baby to get the gear down. Highly recommend it if you have some spare USB ports and are into Simracing as well.

I'm doing the same with my H shifter. Gear up & down = gears 1 & 2 Flaps up & down on gears 3 & 4 (very helpful for the slow and gradual 109 flaps!). I'm also using the pedals for rudder, I just need to avoid pressing left and right at the same time.

 

Therefore multiple options are required for people simulating a real cockpit at our own pc desks each in our own way. Personally, I love the choice even if it can take 10 minutes of messing around in a new plane to get set up. Even that is the same a real pilot adjusting to a new plane