TC? El Alamein scenario?

[namhee2]

TC? El Alamein scenario I think the idea of the battle of el Alamein as a pre-position for tank crew would not be a bad idea. The battle for El Alamein took place from July to November 1942. There have been 3 major battles during this time. And the landscape is very simple, hardly any houses, hardly any roads, just a railway line.

Panzer German / Italy:

Panzer II

Panzer III H / J

Panzer IV F1 / F2

M13 / 40 (IT)

Semovente M40 (IT)

sdkfz 223

Flak 36/37 88mn operable

British:

Sherman II

Valentin Mk II / IV (also for USSR)

Universial Bren Carrier MK II (also for USSR)

Matilda MK III / IV (also for USSR)

Churchill Mk III (also for USSR)

M3 Grant / Lee (also for USSR)

M7 priest

Jeep SAS playable

Well what do you think, the map alone should please many (with two to three airfields ...)

Edited January 28, 2021 by namhee2

[40plus]

Yes please. Oh my god, yes please

[LachenKrieg]

Great idea. If you have any way of communicating your idea internally with IL2/1C, now would be a good time to use it... Just saying!

[ww2fighter20]

59 minutes ago, namhee2 said:

TC? El Alamein scenario I think the idea of the battle of el Alamein as a pre-position for tank crew would not be a bad idea. The battle for El Alamein took place from July to November 1942. There have been 3 major battles during this time. And the landscape is very simple, hardly any houses, hardly any roads, just a railway line.

Panzer German / Italy:

Panzer II

Panzer III H / J

Panzer IV F1 / F2

M13 / 40 (IT)

Semovente M40 (IT)

sdkfz 223

Flak 36/37 88mn operable

British:

Sherman II

Valentin Mk II / IV (also for USSR)

Universial Bren Carrier MK II (also for USSR)

Matilda MK III / IV (also for USSR)

Churchill Mk III (also for USSR)

M3 Grant / Lee (also for USSR)

M7 priest

Jeep SAS playable

Well what do you think, the map alone should please many (with two to three airfields ...)

Some additions/extra choices:

 

Crusader III (6 pounder)

Marder III

Stuart II

Bishop (British equivalent of the M7 Priest)

Daimler (equivalent of sdkfz 222)

[LachenKrieg]

really liking the PzII/III/IV/M3 concept

 

We are going to so need this when infantry arrives!

 

 

[Stevie777]

Yes please! Africa would be awesome!

[JG27_Steini]

It dont think that this will happen. There is no africa map. The next TC modul will sure connect to an existing map and plane set. I would love to join the fight in africa, but i think the next scenario will be western front. It would be a huge bonus if the TC2 would also use the BoN map and release all to the same time.

[No_Face]

I don't see Stug or Puma in the list, so that will be a no for this theater of operations  ?

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Edited January 28, 2021 by No_Face

[Lofte]

59 minutes ago, JG27_Steini said:

There is no africa map

Yes, but I don't think it's a big problem to do a desert map (or set of 2-3 maps) 100х100 ... 70x70 km with no villages, rivers and minimum of roads and plants..

[No_Face]

I am afraid that a desert map will not be very fun. So of course there is still the relief but all the same.

[LachenKrieg]

44 minutes ago, No_Face said:

I don't see Stug or Puma in the list, so that will be a no for this theater of operations  ?

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The StuG could be added to the list because it was there, as well as the predecessor to the Puma the Sd.Kfz.231. There was also a command version for the Rommel types. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Don't forget Gents that anything in North Africa intrudes on the territory of Cliffs of Dover/Tobruk and hence the Great Battles series will never go there.

 

Sadly.

[LachenKrieg]

1 hour ago, No_Face said:

I am afraid that a desert map will not be very fun. So of course there is still the relief but all the same.

I don't agree. Take any current game that includes maps of all WWII theaters like WoT as an example to compare. Their desert maps are well played, and offer a very good level of challenging game play.

 

But the big gain here would be an IL2 map that would more easily support combined arms game play. Meaning planes and tanks together.

 

This is likely going to make it easier for the groups hosting servers to keep them populated. That in turn should help drive expansion of the community. And we could add the Sd.Kfz.7/1 to the list on the German side for air cover.

 

There are a lot of up-sides to this idea, not to mention the addition of 10 more vehicles, a lot of which would be usable on other maps to add even more immersion.

 

 

15 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Don't forget Gents that anything in North Africa intrudes on the territory of Cliffs of Dover/Tobruk and hence the Great Battles series will never go there.

 

Sadly.

That is too bad! But how does the CoD blitz differ from the GBS? Do the planes have the same level of detail/damage models, or have they been simplified? If it is the latter, IL2 wouldn't be the first to offer different levels of product that cater to two different demographics.

Edited January 28, 2021 by LachenKrieg

[BlitzPig_EL]

Other than the fact that they share the same publisher, Cliffs and Great Battles have nothing in common other than they are WW2 flight sims.   Cliffs is built on a different, and older, engine.  I have it installed, and have tried to get back into it, but it just does not hold up against the Great Battles Series, either graphically or in terms of "playability".  It's old and it shows.

[LachenKrieg]

6 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Other than the fact that they share the same publisher, Cliffs and Great Battles have nothing in common other than they are WW2 flight sims.   Cliffs is built on a different, and older, engine.  I have it installed, and have tried to get back into it, but it just does not hold up against the Great Battles Series, either graphically or in terms of "playability".  It's old and it shows.

Yeah I just checked, there is a difference in the price too when compared to BON. CoD Africa DLC might be a little older, but it is still listed as NEW. At any rate, I think there is still a strong case for a GBS Africa front, because they are really two different products. Depends more on what the developers see as market potential I guess.

[JG27_Steini]

15 hours ago, Lofte said:

Yes, but I don't think it's a big problem to do a desert map (or set of 2-3 maps) 100х100 ... 70x70 km with no villages, rivers and minimum of roads and plants..

 

You have not only do the map, but many 3D assets and models like buildings, trees and so on. Africa is not flat and the tank warfare used all its geographical advantages it has. All TC content is connected to IL2 GB. Dont get me wrong, i prefer africa most and a africa module would be amazing. But there are not much more planes left to sell for a new africa module. 90% of the important fighter are currently in the game. Except for great map, the new modul would not ofer much in comparisson to all other modules. And even if you find some fancy new planes, most player prefer the standard axis or allied fighter.

Edited January 29, 2021 by JG27_Steini

[BlitzPig_EL]

Well, there are a fair number of Italian aircraft that we do not have that have a place in a North Africa scenario, just for starters.  Aircraft types are not an issue for North Africa, other than the time it takes to build them for the sim.  And just think, the AI would not be able to snipe you through a forest like they do currently, simply because there are no forests.  That alone would be worth the price of admission.

 

I've stopped trying to play TX_Tips "Market Garden" mission in tanks because the Shermans just get decemated by unseen German anti tank guns that spawn in forests faster than you can react to them.  Yet the first phase of the mission is easily won when flying the available Tempests and Spitfires in the ground attack role.  So I say, bring on the desert.

[JG27_Steini]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Well, there are a fair number of Italian aircraft that we do not have that have a place in a North Africa scenario, just for starters.  Aircraft types are not an issue for North Africa, other than the time it takes to build them for the sim.  And just think, the AI would not be able to snipe you through a forest like they do currently, simply because there are no forests.  That alone would be worth the price of admission.

 

I've stopped trying to play TX_Tips "Market Garden" mission in tanks because the Shermans just get decemated by unseen German anti tank guns that spawn in forests faster than you can react to them.  Yet the first phase of the mission is easily won when flying the available Tempests and Spitfires in the ground attack role.  So I say, bring on the desert.

I dont say that it is not possible, i say that it very unlikely. But i am very happy if i am wrong. Bring on the desert ?

 

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Sadly I do agree it is not likely we will go to North Africa any time soon.

 

Still, it's pretty to think about.

[LachenKrieg]

6 hours ago, JG27_Steini said:

 

You have not only do the map, but many 3D assets and models like buildings, trees and so on. Africa is not flat and the tank warfare used all its geographical advantages it has. All TC content is connected to IL2 GB. Dont get me wrong, i prefer africa most and a africa module would be amazing. But there are not much more planes left to sell for a new africa module. 90% of the important fighter are currently in the game. Except for great map, the new modul would not ofer much in comparisson to all other modules. And even if you find some fancy new planes, most player prefer the standard axis or allied fighter.

 

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Well, there are a fair number of Italian aircraft that we do not have that have a place in a North Africa scenario, just for starters.  Aircraft types are not an issue for North Africa, other than the time it takes to build them for the sim.  And just think, the AI would not be able to snipe you through a forest like they do currently, simply because there are no forests.  That alone would be worth the price of admission.

 

I've stopped trying to play TX_Tips "Market Garden" mission in tanks because the Shermans just get decemated by unseen German anti tank guns that spawn in forests faster than you can react to them.  Yet the first phase of the mission is easily won when flying the available Tempests and Spitfires in the ground attack role.  So I say, bring on the desert.

In addition to what @BlitzPig_EL said, the great battle series shouldn't be dependent only on the number of new planes that can be included IMO, but on the great battles themselves.

 

North Africa was a major and important front during WWII. The battles there brought new challenges and obstacles that had to be overcome by both air crews, and ground forces alike.

 

Another important aspect for pilots of the Great Battle Series is the career mode, which an African campaign could help further augment.

 

And if a map that is less graphically demanding while still remaining visually pleasing by delivering more headroom for the addition of an AI infantry component/better explosion effects for example, then the sex appeal of the map increases significantly. You wouldn't buy the module just for the desert camo on the BF 109 you already have in the BOS, you would buy it for a chance to fly that BF 109 in a new and exciting target rich environment. And if that environment became the dominant map for on-line multiplayer plane/tank game play, you would buy it to take part in the action.

 

While we banter back and forth about something that may never be, I am just pointing out the counter argument and why it could be a worthwhile consideration.