VR without STEAM?

[Toots_LeGuerre]

I am about  to make the leap to VR, but if STEAM is required it's off.

They still owe me on some purchases as gifts they did not honor.

Are there any VR Headsets that do not require STEAM?

If there are none I'll just get a new TrackIR.

[Panzerlang]

11 minutes ago, vonNutz said:

I am about  to make the leap to VR, but if STEAM is required it's off.

They still owe me on some purchases as gifts they did not honor.

Are there any VR Headsets that do not require STEAM?

If there are none I'll just get a new TrackIR.

Oculus Quest 2 but that requires a facebook account.

[dburne]

Perhaps then a new Track IR may be good for you. Hopefully Natural Point does not owe you anything...

 

1CGS only offers VR support using Steam VR runtime.

Same as some of the best VR headsets. Reverb G2 being one of them, and it requires both Windows Mixed Reality and Steam VR.

Valve Index - Steam VR.

 

Whilst IL-2  does not support Oculus natively, there is an alternative using Open Composite for an Oculus headset.

No guarantees that will always be the case though... and as already mentioned, with Oculus Facebook is required.

 

Edited January 26, 2021 by dburne

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

What @dburnesaid. Steam/Valve helps push VR and is constantly developing this field, be it hardware or software.

 

Does Steam owe you purchases or gifts? These are two separate categories, and a gift can't be owed from what I've learnt. Narcist ladies are wrong, don't listen to whatever they've told you! 

 

 

.....So.. unless you bought from keysellers, in which case you're breaching EULA of Steam to begin with and all they'd owe you was a banstick. Then you can be glad they haven't smashed you with it yet. 

 

 

Edited January 26, 2021 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[chiliwili69]

Forgive and you will be forgiven. And pleased with IL-2 VR.

 

Advice: Don´t buy a new track-IR until you test IL-2 VR properly.

BTW: During IL-2 run you don´t need to open Steam, just SteamVR free app from Steam. So, you can just log in in Steam, just grab SteamVR and don´t enter again in Steam never ever in your life.

[Toots_LeGuerre]

Thanks Chaps for replies.

STEAM lost its shine with me when a friend sent two Collector Aircraft as gifts.

They came as a download--this was about 2014-- halfway through it packed up and never finished.

When I complained, STEAM said I had it.

A look at my airplane inventory would have shown anyone I did not have it.

Been chilly about Steam since.

Even chillier about Facebook in light of the news we are getting these days.

 

Is VR so complicated that it can't be unboxed, plugged in, and played?

That in itself is revealing if so.

If you can do it with a TV or monitor, you should be able to do it with VR.

 

Looks like time to chill my heels along with STEAM and VR, and even TIR.

See how it plays out.

But there seems to me to be a lot of unnecessary middlemen in this if not corporate despotism.

"Plug and Play is the Only Way"

Thanks

[dburne]

5 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

Forgive and you will be forgiven. And pleased with IL-2 VR.

 

Advice: Don´t buy a new track-IR until you test IL-2 VR properly.

BTW: During IL-2 run you don´t need to open Steam, just SteamVR free app from Steam. So, you can just log in in Steam, just grab SteamVR and don´t enter again in Steam never ever in your life.

 

At least with my Reverb G2 I don't see how to run it without it launching both Steam and Steam VR.

I use Windows Mixed Reality for Steam VR, and when I launch it always opens up both Steam and Steam VR. 

I know with my previous Rift S that was not the case.

 

[Panzerlang]

They're corporate greed-mongers, all desperately trying to have their avaricious fingers in the pie with their money-grubbing store-fronting shite software. Hopefully somebody will come out with an Open Composite alternative to the resource-thieving WMR and SteamVR.

[chiliwili69]

1 hour ago, vonNutz said:

But there seems to me to be a lot of unnecessary middlemen in this if not corporate despotism.

If you take the Valve Index route there is only one company: Valve, who own Steam.

There are only two applications running when I play IL-2 VR with my Index: IL-2 and SteamVR.

 

For me the Index device is the best overall (still not perfect), but other people prefers the G2 or the Pimax8KX or the RiftS. All depends on budgets and personal preferences.

 

Edited January 26, 2021 by chiliwili69

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

7 hours ago, vonNutz said:

[...]

But there seems to me to be a lot of unnecessary middlemen in this if not corporate despotism.

"Plug and Play is the Only Way"

Thanks

 

Hell, then you'll have an awfully fun time with TrackIR 

 

You're probably playing the wrong game. I recommend War Thunder instead.

[Lombra]

10 hours ago, vonNutz said:

Is VR so complicated that it can't be unboxed, plugged in, and played?

That in itself is revealing if so.

If you can do it with a TV or monitor, you should be able to do it with VR.

 

Looks like time to chill my heels along with STEAM and VR, and even TIR.

See how it plays out.

But there seems to me to be a lot of unnecessary middlemen in this if not corporate despotism.

"Plug and Play is the Only Way"

Thanks

 

Sounds like you're just looking for excuses to hate VR. Clearly not interested in giving it a chance.

 

No, you should not be able to do it with VR just because you can do it with a monitor. Besides being an output device, a VR headset is also a complex input device. Essentially a monitor and IR tracker in one.

[unlikely_spider]

10 minutes ago, Lombra said:

 

Sounds like you're just looking for excuses to hate VR. Clearly not interested in giving it a chance.

 

No, you should not be able to do it with VR just because you can do it with a monitor. Besides being an output device, a VR headset is also a complex input device. Essentially a monitor and IR tracker in one.

To be fair, there is a pretty intimidating barrier to entry, which should be a concern to anyone who would wish for a larger vr user base. Here are issues that I've repeatedly experienced in the past:

 

-No image in the headset

-Controllers not recognized

-Headset error message in WMR

-Sound not switching to the headset

-No mouse cursor when getting in the sim

-Location not wanting to re-center

 

Not to mention the dozens of performance suggestions in various forums, many contradicting each other. And the fact that you need to explain to a noob that they must install WMR, SteamVR, SteamVR for Windows Mixed Reality, (am I missing any?)

 

It really could be easier. It would only help increase the user base (and keep people interested) if it was.

[Dutch2]

Sounds all of a nice mod, the use of BoX-VR without any Steam/Valve. 

[Toots_LeGuerre]

Nope, I'm flying the right sim.

Seems VR has a lot further to go than I thought.

I'll write a letter to their corporate offices saying "The money is here but it ain't going there until your product gets rid of the garbage."

It's actually surprising how they take these things, figuring for every letter written and mailed, a hundred like it weren't.

Thanks chaps.

[Lombra]

19 hours ago, unlikely_spider said:

To be fair, there is a pretty intimidating barrier to entry, which should be a concern to anyone who would wish for a larger vr user base.

 

It's definitely not "console simple", and I have no trouble with people wanting it to be so, but comparing it to a monitor is simply wrong. I wouldn't say it's more complicated than general PC use, though.

 

I've not tried any WMR headset, but from your post it sounds like a bad platform.

 

This thread was just "is VR as bad as I think? yeah that's what I thought".

[dburne]

5 hours ago, Lombra said:

 

It's definitely not "console simple", and I have no trouble with people wanting it to be so, but comparing it to a monitor is simply wrong. I wouldn't say it's more complicated than general PC use, though.

 

I've not tried any WMR headset, but from your post it sounds like a bad platform.

 

This thread was just "is VR as bad as I think? yeah that's what I thought".

 

WMR can have a bit of a frustrating learning curve to it, but once set up to one's taste and working properly it really is a breeze from there on out.

Now when I fly, all I do is launch WMR for Steam VR, and it launches along with Steam and Steam VR, and then I am off into the game.

So one double click to launch all the VR I need, then one double click to launch the game and I am off to the races.

And I am putting several hours a day in with it.

[Marvel]

7 hours ago, dburne said:

 

WMR can have a bit of a frustrating learning curve to it, but once set up to one's taste and working properly it really is a breeze from there on out.

Now when I fly, all I do is launch WMR for Steam VR, and it launches along with Steam and Steam VR, and then I am off into the game.

So one double click to launch all the VR I need, then one double click to launch the game and I am off to the races.

And I am putting several hours a day in with it.

 

I am totally agree with Dburne. VR is a great improvement in flight sim, nothing to do with a monitor, but is not so friendly as a monitor. If you belive to plug and play your VR headset, you will most likely be frustrated. You must to spend a bit of your time to set properly your VR, but then the gaming experience will be totally rewarding. It would be really problematic for me to go back to the monitor.

I am agree that SteamVR and WMR are not the best for VR, rather both could generate a lot of issues.

I downloaded SteamVR the first time and I tried to have a good setting, then I forgot about it, I never more update it and I haven't had any problems since.

When I want to play I launch IL-2 and WMR and SteamVR starts togheter and I have not more big issues. A year and a half ago I was updating SteamVR regularly and had a lot of problems. Now I found good settings and I am playing always with them.

Hope this help. Ciao!

 

M