Missing Italian flag in the Axis Powers

[KastaRules]

Hello, I tried looking into this but found No answer.

 

Is there a reason why the Italian flag is missing in the Axis Powers icon?

 

Now, I know we could joke and laugh about the Italian involvement in WWII like there is No tomorrow; however historically speaking the flag belongs in there.

EDIT: The game is divided between two factions, one being the Axis Powers. The Axis Powers, are widely notorious as the Rome–Berlin–Tokyo Axis (RoBerTo). Therefore it only seems perfectly natural and legitimate to include the flags of these THREE countries in the icon. Regardless of the planes or ranks selectable in the list.
 

Edited January 22, 2021 by KastaRules

[ITAF_Airone1989]

Maybe because they were not sure were to put it... ?

But you are right, make sense to have it with the Axis powers..

[Bremspropeller]

Italian Ranks are also missing in careers.

[KastaRules]

4 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

Italian Ranks are also missing in careers.

Japanese ranks are missing as well, there are Not even any Japanese aircraft in the game, yet the Japanese flag is there. See my point?

Edited January 21, 2021 by KastaRules

[Chief_Mouser]

28 minutes ago, ITAF_Airone1989 said:

Maybe because they were not sure were to put it... ?

But you are right, make sense to have it with the Axis powers..

 

What do you do after September 1943? Makes no sense then.
You'd need different icons for Moscow and Stalingrad on the one hand, Bodenplatte and Normandy on the other and as for Kuban... you could probably include it with the first two I suppose. 

[JG7_X-Man]

3 minutes ago, ITAF_Airone1989 said:

Maybe because they were not sure were to put it... ?

But you are right, make sense to have it with the Axis powers..

 

For those that don't know:

Four countries fought on the side of the Axis Powers and then later for the Allies.

1. Romania (Right-wing dictator sided with Hitler. After a coup, the new government sided with the Allies)
2. Bulgaria  (Right-wing dictator sided with Hitler. After a coup, the new government sided with the Allies)
3. Italy (Right-wing dictator sided with Hitler. After a coup, the new government sided with the Allies)
4. Finland (actually,  their beef was only with USSR who invaded them unprovoked. Thus, my enemy's enemy became my friend. in Late '44 a deal was struck with USSR that lead to the Lapland War b/w Finland and Germany)

I might not be smart, but I surely know a pattern when I see one.

[Irishratticus72]

If the flag was made by Fiat, it's probably broken down somewhere.

[KastaRules]

53 minutes ago, 216th_Cat said:

 

What do you do after September 1943? Makes no sense then.

Italy did NOT surrender to the allies right away in September 1943. it actually split in two.

The southern part, under the King of Sovoy, sided with the allies. While Mussolini founded in the Northern and Central part of the country the Italian Social Republic, still sided with the Axis.

 

So it still makes sense after that date.

 

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You'd need different icons for Moscow and Stalingrad on the one hand, Bodenplatte and Normandy on the other and as for Kuban... you could probably include it with the first two I suppose. 

It is just an icon, let's keep it simple. Following your logic, if we'll ever get a PTO, we will need to remove even Germany from the icon after May 1945.

[Chief_Mouser]

36 minutes ago, KastaRules said:

 

It is just an icon, let's keep it simple. Following your logic, if we'll ever get a PTO, we will need to remove even Germany from the icon after May 1945.

 

It's not my logic, it's Jason's desire to make the Pacific the next scenario - which he wasn't able to do - that resulted in the Japanese flag being included with the Axis. A PTO scenario icon wouldn't have Germany on it at all. Those flag icons are pretty naff, especially as the Hakenkreuz has to be doctored for those countries where its illegal to show it. I would prefer each aircraft to have an individual icon for the countries that used it. Bf109s would have quite a row!

Btw, I don't think that you can equate the German-run puppet state of the Italian Social Republic with the pre-armistice Italy - one of the original three members of the Axis.

Cheers.

Edited January 21, 2021 by 216th_Cat

[BlitzPig_EL]

11 minutes ago, 216th_Cat said:

 

 A PTO scenario icon wouldn't have Germany on it at all.

 

Well, not technically true,

German submarines, and some surface commerce raiders operated in Imperial Japan's AO in the Southwest Pacific, and Indian Ocean.

[firdimigdi]

Eh it's not a complete list of combatants. It's just an icon to select the group of planes. But seeing as there is an Italian plane available I'd just chalk it up to oversight and change of plans.

[Heliopause]

Besides a Japanese flag we also see a wildcat when going for a server ?

 

[-LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor]

40 minutes ago, Heliopause said:

Besides a Japanese flag we also see a wildcat when going for a server ?

 

 

why do they tempt us like this....  ITS TOO CRUEL! I need that salty air in my lungs! 

[sevenless]

11 minutes ago, -LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor said:

 

why do they tempt us like this....  ITS TOO CRUEL! I need that salty air in my lungs! 

 

I give you a little hint to tempt you even more. Sometimes a look at the extracted *.gtp files can reveal something...

 

[357th_KW]

1 minute ago, sevenless said:

 

I give you a little hint to tempt you even more. Sometimes a look at the extracted *.gtp files can reveal something...

 

That one shows up in the mission editor as well, although you can’t load it.

[KastaRules]

The game is divided between two factions, one being the Axis Powers. The Axis Powers, are widely notorious as the Rome–Berlin–Tokyo Axis (RoBerTo). Therefore it only seems perfectly natural and legitimate to include the flags of these THREE countries in icon. Regardless of the planes or ranks selectable in the list. That was my thought.

 

[Irishratticus72]

Goddamn, *checks notes,

form of escapism entertainment.

Edited January 21, 2021 by Irishratticus72

[Chief_Mouser]

12 hours ago, KastaRules said:

The game is divided between two factions, one being the Axis Powers. The Axis Powers, are widely notorious as the Rome–Berlin–Tokyo Axis (RoBerTo). Therefore it only seems perfectly natural and legitimate to include the flags of these THREE countries in icon. Regardless of the planes or ranks selectable in the list. That was my thought.

 

 

That does make sense for the moment. I rather hope that in a quiet moment the devs will have time to re-organise the plane list and method of selecting them. For new players especially it must look rather haphazard.

[IckyATLAS]

Please KIS (Keep It Simple)

 

Nazi and Japanese Flag.

Punkt Schluss or Tora Tora Tora

?

 

[ITAF_Rani]

Hope in the future,  the Devs will add add an italian planeset for Italy 1943-44 (with the birds like MC 205,G55,Re 2001-2002)...so an Italian flag ( and single player carreer also) would be more sense to be present in the screen mentioned.

Edited January 22, 2021 by ITAF_Rani

[Ribbon]

Flag is missing in the menu, pilot belt and hat isn't historical, this bolt and rivet is not where it supposed to be....etc.

 

That is what is ruining games these days, ppl complain about irrelevant cosmetic things drifting away devs from actual gameplay feature development! 

[Jaegermeister]

You guys are overthinking it. The Italian Flag isn't round with stripes

[Trooper117]

If they put Italian aircraft in the game then there should be an Italian symbol, rank system and speech files to go with it...

[Jaegermeister]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

If they put Italian aircraft in the game then there should be an Italian symbol, rank system and speech files to go with it...

 

Some have argued that its the other way around. If there is a Japanese symbol in the GUI, there should be Japanese plane in the game.

[PatrickAWlson]

Tempest in a teapot.  Or is it a Typhoon in a coffee pot?  Not sure.

[Jaegermeister]

3 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Tempest in a teapot.  Or is it a Typhoon in a coffee pot?  Not sure.

 

Is there a new Teapot object? I missed that in the last Dev Diary.

 

Also Coffee’s Pot was a P-47, not a Typhoon.

 

?

[PatrickAWlson]

3 minutes ago, Jaegermeister said:

 

Is there a new Teapot object? I missed that in the last Dev Diary.

 

Also Coffee’s Pot was a P-47, not a Typhoon.

 

?

 

The teapot was introduced with Bodenplatte.  Without it all British aircraft would have been rendered completely ineffective, unless flown by Russians.

 

I stand corrected on Coffe's Pot.

[KastaRules]

4 hours ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

Flag is missing in the menu, pilot belt and hat isn't historical, this bolt and rivet is not where it supposed to be....etc.

 

That is what is ruining games these days, ppl complain about irrelevant cosmetic things drifting away devs from actual gameplay feature development! 

I understand what you mean and I am with you 100%

Rivet counting is counterproductive (although this kind of fix would probably take less than 1 minute in Photoshop)

Do Not get me wrong: I am Not complaining nor I am requesting for a fix. My original question was "Is there a reason why the Italian flag is missing in the Axis Powers icon?"
To which I received plenty of reasonable answers already.

 

I think the most plausible reason for the missing flag was given by Irishratticus72: FIAT must have made the flag which broke down somewhere along the way.

I now consider myself satisfied with the outcome.

Edited January 22, 2021 by KastaRules

[senseispcc]

There could also be more flags on the ally side, like France, Poland, Belgium, Dutch, Brazilian,  and many many others if you count the nationalities of the pilots how served in the depicted planes and those how flew them in/on the fronts in the game. So be happy and use the skins of pilots you find interesting.  

[Burdokva]

On 1/21/2021 at 8:09 PM, JG7_X-Man said:

 

For those that don't know:

Four countries fought on the side of the Axis Powers and then later for the Allies.

1. Romania (Right-wing dictator sided with Hitler. After a coup, the new government sided with the Allies)
2. Bulgaria  (Right-wing dictator sided with Hitler. After a coup, the new government sided with the Allies)
3. Italy (Right-wing dictator sided with Hitler. After a coup, the new government sided with the Allies)
4. Finland (actually,  their beef was only with USSR who invaded them unprovoked. Thus, my enemy's enemy became my friend. in Late '44 a deal was struck with USSR that lead to the Lapland War b/w Finland and Germany)

I might not be smart, but I surely know a pattern when I see one.

 

Eh, what? Bulgaria was a constitutional monarchy in 1941, the parliament had been suspended by Tsar Boris III but his directly appointed cabinets were more centrist technocrats than "right wing" fasciscts. Actual hard right wing minority groups like the Bulgarian Legion were, in fact, suppressed by the government and the army. The country did not actively fight on the Axis' side, Bulgaria never declared war on the USSR and the government of Prof. Bogdan Filov only declared a "symbolic war" (whatever that means) on the USA and Great Britain under German pressure. Bulgaria was heavily bombed by the Western Allies in 1943-44, left the Axis in September 1944, declared war on Germany on September 6th; with the Bulgarian army engaging German units, the USSR declared war on Bulgaria on the evening of September 8th, invaded and occupied the country for another four decades without opposition. This was followed by an over 450 000 strong Bulgarian army being deployed against and fighting the Germans through to VE Day 1945, reaching Vienna. If anything, selling out Bulgaria to Stalin and not granting it even cobelligerant status like Italy should be seen as a sellout nearing the tacit silence when Hitler occupied Czechoslovakia.

 

The Royal Bulgarian Air Force did see heavy action against the USAAF and we have the planeset; I'd like seeing the flag up there but it makes as much sense, if not more, to be on the Allied side.

 

Now, adding it to the Central Powers icon icons makes perfect sense. Bulgaria has always been treated as the "minor" player but it mobilized 1.25 million men out of a population of 5 million in 1915 (as far as I know, that's the greatest mobilization effort put in industrialised warfare), kept a standing army of about 1 million for three years and fought actively on three front. Not to mention the Ottomans would have long since collapsed without the needed "land bridge" through the country, and Germany probably starved to death withot the massive wartime agricultural exports provided by Bulgaria.

 

Sorry if it sounded like a rant.

Edited January 22, 2021 by ACG_Burdokva

[Jason_Williams]

I don't like the flags and this design was done without my permission when a GUI artist decided to get cute. I will eventually change it.

 

Jason