New Virpil CM3 Throttle

[kissTheSky]

On 4/14/2021 at 1:35 PM, dburne said:

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Much better now!

@dburne, can you send me a PM? I seem to have a problem with sending them (associate’s code).

 

thanks!

[dburne]

6 minutes ago, kissTheSky said:

@dburne, can you send me a PM? I seem to have a problem with sending them (associate’s code).

 

thanks!

 

Just replied, no I do not but thanks for checking!

[dburne]

16 hours ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

Mine landed too! Now for the joys of configuring the d@mn things. Throttle, stick, and control panel. Not even sure what to do with all those buttons but I got em if I need em.

 

Have fun!

I have been tempted to get their Control Panel #2.

However I am not sure I would really be able to utilize it well especially flying in VR. Plus I still have buttons available on the CM3 Throttle that are not being utilized yet.

I also added buttons to the flap axis lever (3), and to the mini stick as well (4). These can use both axis and buttons simultaneously.

Edited April 16, 2021 by dburne

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Beautiful @dburne. Yeah you're probably right, better go and use this one for a while. If you notice after a few weeks the switch mode won't give you enough options, you can still get an additional control panel.

[dburne]

2 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Beautiful @dburne. Yeah you're probably right, better go and use this one for a while. If you notice after a few weeks the switch mode won't give you enough options, you can still get an additional control panel.

 

Yeah and I have not even begun to take advantage of those mode shift buttons yet.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Try to use them for different plane series rather than for situations. One for the Germans (one lever for stabilizer, another for flaps, Bf-109, thank me later), another for the Russians (RPM, throttle, mixture, and the cascade of cooling controls dropped upon us), some for dual engine bombers, et cetera.

 

Have fun with that thing, looks really great  

Edited April 16, 2021 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[dburne]

6 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Try to use them for different plane series rather than for situations. One for the Germans (one lever for stabilizer, another for flaps, Bf-109, thank me later), another for the Russians (RPM, throttle, mixture, and the cascade of cooling controls dropped upon us), some for dual engine bombers, et cetera.

 

Have fun with that thing, looks really great  

 

Thanks - yeah it is a very nice throttle for sure.

[DayGlow]

I need help mapping the throttle. I have it setup with virtual buttons on the idle detent  for engine on/off in DCS. When I try mapping the throttle axis in il2 it only maps the button presses and can't get it to regonize the throttle axis. 

[dburne]

8 hours ago, DayGlow said:

I need help mapping the throttle. I have it setup with virtual buttons on the idle detent  for engine on/off in DCS. When I try mapping the throttle axis in il2 it only maps the button presses and can't get it to regonize the throttle axis. 

 

Disable the buttons, map the axis in IL-2, then re-enable the buttons.

[too-cool]

8 hours ago, dburne said:

 

Disable the buttons, map the axis in IL-2, then re-enable the buttons.

What are your thoughts on what Winwing has to offer, considering this either the Orion or SUPER LIBRA JOYSTICK BASE ★ SUPER TAURUS THROTTLE BASE, can't find any information on this product for IL2.  Thanks  TC

[dburne]

1 hour ago, too-cool said:

What are your thoughts on what Winwing has to offer, considering this either the Orion or SUPER LIBRA JOYSTICK BASE ★ SUPER TAURUS THROTTLE BASE, can't find any information on this product for IL2.  Thanks  TC

 

I have never really had much interest in their products, so really can not say.

Perhaps someone that has one can comment on it. Based on what I have seen on forums, it appears their throttle is maybe a little more popular than their joystick offering. But I don't see many folks that have either really.

[unlikely_spider]

2 hours ago, dburne said:

 

I have never really had much interest in their products, so really can not say.

Perhaps someone that has one can comment on it. Based on what I have seen on forums, it appears their throttle is maybe a little more popular than their joystick offering. But I don't see many folks that have either really.

I think maybe it's because we are less starved for choice when it comes to sticks vs throttles. It's not easy to find good military-themed throttles these days, so when one arrives that can fit into the premium or near-premium category, it will get attention.

I kind of considered one until I read that the afterburner detent is not removable. Since I fly a lot of planes w/o afterburner, that's a no-go for me.

Still awaiting word on the VKB offerings. I'm currently happy with my Warthog, but will happily indulge interest in others if they get good reviews.

Edited April 20, 2021 by unlikely_spider

[dburne]

Well I will tell ya at least as of today I would not take anything for my CM3 Throttle. Going those two weeks without it whilst it was being repaired was torture.

Still anxious though to see what VKB does with their TEC throttle they keep talking about. And talking. 

I have been following that one for quite some time now.

I was surprised they let Virpil beat them to the punch on a throttle.

Edited April 20, 2021 by dburne

[1./KG4_grat123]

@dburnewatching your thread with interest. I've just repaired my faithful x45 throttle but suspect its days are ultimately numbered. I'm looking to take the plunge with a new throttle and keen to see your experience with this one. I guess a lot is personal preference ergonomics wise. I would like to see one for real before I buy but COVID has kept me locked up. Can you summarize any down sides you have experienced with this throttle (if any). Much appreciated.

[dburne]

2 hours ago, 1./KG4_grat123 said:

@dburnewatching your thread with interest. I've just repaired my faithful x45 throttle but suspect its days are ultimately numbered. I'm looking to take the plunge with a new throttle and keen to see your experience with this one. I guess a lot is personal preference ergonomics wise. I would like to see one for real before I buy but COVID has kept me locked up. Can you summarize any down sides you have experienced with this throttle (if any). Much appreciated.

 

I had two downsides that I experienced early on with this throttle.

 

1: Somehow the front afterburner detent screw threads got messed up a little. I thought I was being careful screwing the screw in but still managed to mess them up a little. Interestingly they were only messed up further down in the hole rather than at the beginning. So this was easily solved by me by just purchasing a slightly shorter screw to use in that hole. I have since removed and re-adjusted detents with it and have had no problem with the shorter screw.

 

2: Little larger issue was with the mini stick. Mine would stick in the full forward position. Move it fully forward and let go, the mini stick stayed in the full forward position unless I moved it back physically. I could still use it ok, just a minor annoyance but an annoyance none the less.

I opened a support ticket and initially it took them a week to respond. After that responses came much quicker, and ended up with them offering for me to send it back for repair. They estimated turn around time would be two weeks for me to get it back. I really did not want to do without it, so kept using it for another 3 weeks or so. Finally decided to take them up on the offer. It was very fast, and total time was exactly two weeks from time I shipped it out to time I had it back in hand. I was very pleased, and now my micro stick is perfect.

 

I will say having to go back to Warthog throttle for those two weeks was brutal. I was so glad to have it back in hand.

And the capabilities of this throttle through setting profiles in the software ( which gets written to the firmware) is tremendous. Adding button presses wherever one might want to say an axis, creating virtual axis, etc.

[1./KG4_grat123]

@dburne thanks for the reply. You've confirmed good customer service which is always a plus (sadly some companies have lost sight of this) and no big downers. I shall continue to lurk on this thread and see how it goes for you with the passage of time.

[dburne]

2 hours ago, 1./KG4_grat123 said:

@dburne thanks for the reply. You've confirmed good customer service which is always a plus (sadly some companies have lost sight of this) and no big downers. I shall continue to lurk on this thread and see how it goes for you with the passage of time.

 

No problem hopefully I don't have any other issue, time will tell. I will say I generally flight sim around 3-5 hours a day on most days so I already have a good amount of time in with it.

[kissTheSky]

7 hours ago, dburne said:

 

I will say having to go back to Warthog throttle for those two weeks was brutal. I was so glad to have it back in hand.

And the capabilities of this throttle through setting profiles in the software ( which gets written to the firmware) is tremendous. Adding button presses wherever one might want to say an axis, creating virtual axis, etc.

You mentioning this once before was the deciding factor for me to pass on the warthog throttle I’ve found at micro center this past weekend.

 

I’ll use my X45 throttle until it dies, and if TECS is not out by then, chances are I’ll end up with a virpil. 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

OK, I'm hooked up and calibrated. Mapping keys and such. Is there a way to put landing gear on an axis? I'd really like to use the CM3 flaps axis as a landing gear lever but the BoX GUI doesn't recognize the negative motion. It see's both throws as a positive only.

[dburne]

7 hours ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

OK, I'm hooked up and calibrated. Mapping keys and such. Is there a way to put landing gear on an axis? I'd really like to use the CM3 flaps axis as a landing gear lever but the BoX GUI doesn't recognize the negative motion. It see's both throws as a positive only.

 

Yes you can add buttons to the axis.

I did this for that flaps lever to use it for flaps in the DCS Hornet.

 

 

 

Edit: After re-reading seems maybe you were wanting the axis to work for this.

I am not sure on why it would be seeing both as positive,

Edited April 23, 2021 by dburne

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

That looks like exactly what I was asking for. Will try it tonight. Thanks DB

[dburne]

38 minutes ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

That looks like exactly what I was asking for. Will try it tonight. Thanks DB

 

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Good luck it is not difficult to do at all. Main thing is getting head wrapped around logical and physical buttons and how they relate to each other.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

It was pretty easy and it works like a charm. Now my landing gear position has a physical lever/indicator in my RL cockpit. I couldn't be happier. Thanks again.

Edited April 23, 2021 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[dburne]

1 hour ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

It was pretty easy and it works like a charm. Now my landing gear position has a physical lever/indicator in my RL cockpit. I couldn't be happier. Thanks again.

 

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Woohoo - enjoy that awesome new CM3 throttle!

[Gora_]

Hi guys. Friend of mine gave me an offer to buy his Virpil CM3 throttle. Now I have X56 throttle, which I choose over the Warthog because of two axis on the throttle grip - it is very important for me because I play only in VR and need to have most of the functions under my fingers. Have an quick access axis for rpm, mixture or trim stab for German planes is very important in combat situations.

 

CM3 have only 1 slider axis on the throttle. One on the base - but I have to take off my hand from the throttle to use it.  One more thing - I know that I can program encoder or button as an axis but... I don't have physical info where the range is stopping. Don;t want a situation where I'm into combat, push my trim button and wait and observ what is going on with it. Now with my X56 I can throw my axis to the end and back when I need to, and this is blessing.  How did you guys get over this problem?

 

 

[BladeMeister]

I am following your lead DB after the GFIII purchase,  and now my CM3 will be here on Wednesday.

 

S!Blade<><

[Lusekofte]

I am pretty happy with the Virpil throttle on my second setup.

I am not fully happy using it in GB due to the modern feel. 

However I do not fly vr on that computer. I probably buy this 

Control panel as supplement. Mostly because it fits together with throttle in the mount 

 

[dburne]

5 hours ago, BladeMeister said:

I am following your lead DB after the GFIII purchase,  and now my CM3 will be here on Wednesday.

 

S!Blade<><

 

Lol well you are in for a treat!

[BladeMeister]

On 6/19/2022 at 6:47 AM, dburne said:

 

Lol well you are in for a treat!

Damn! My CM3 arrived 2 days early and is sitting in my neighbors house safe and sound. It's on tonight!

The P38 or the Mossie(both Box and DCS versions) are up to bat first.

I have never owned a dual throttle. I will be retiring my X52Pro after 15 + years  as my main throttle and extra buttons to use on the stick.

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S!Blade<><

[dburne]

2 hours ago, BladeMeister said:

Damn! My CM3 arrived 2 days early and is sitting in my neighbors house safe and sound. It's on tonight!

The P38 or the Mossie(both Box and DCS versions) are up to bat first.

I have never owned a dual throttle. I will be retiring my X52Pro after 15 + years  as my main throttle and extra buttons to use on the stick.

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S!Blade<><

 

 

Enjoy! We both have new treats this week, my new Virpil Collective should be here on Wed. 

Be sure to install the latest Virpil software, flash the firmware if so needed, then calibrate, then save to a profile to have your default settings.

Only calibrate in Virpil software, never calibrate it in Windows Joystick settings.

Edited June 20, 2022 by dburne

[BladeMeister]

Got it, thanks DB. I found a good complete installation video for the CM3 and then adding a panel with daisy chaining, plus setting up the mode switch. Will probably just set default for tonight though.

 

S!Blade<><

[dburne]

22 minutes ago, BladeMeister said:

Got it, thanks DB. I found a good complete installation video for the CM3 and then adding a panel with daisy chaining, plus setting up the mode switch. Will probably just set default for tonight though.

 

S!Blade<><

 

I would not daisy chain, especially as IL-2 only supports 64 buttons per device.  Suggest you set each up as a separate device unless there is a reason you really want them chained together. Just be aware of the IL-2 limitations on number of buttons it can see.

Edited June 20, 2022 by dburne

[Hoss]

On 1/6/2021 at 10:23 AM, von_Tom said:

 

If you go desk mount I very much recommend the Virpil T-50CM2 base with an extension and a Warthog grip (or similar Virpil one), and VIRPIL throttle.  You can get the Virpil desk mounts as they're cheaper than the Monstertech ones.

 

I went from a Warthog to the Virpil and it is far superior in "feel" and accuracy, and I suspect its longevity is greater. The joystick base is customisable too so you can get the best feel for you.   Getting a Warthog may be a false economy if you are a keen virtual pilot.

 

Caveat:  Budget and costs/benefit allowing as getting them all will be around 1000 Euros including the desk mounts and extension, and that is a lot of money.

 

von Tom

I've had my TMWH for over 10 years, not a hiccup out of it, TARGET GUI and SCRIPT are very good software options. I've got mine on MonsterTech mounts on my desk with a 10cm extension on the stick.  The only thing I like about the Virpil throttle is all the buttons are behind the throttle.  But I like the programming to much with TARGET to even bother with something else. With it I don't have to worry about how many buttons IL2 sees, it's irrelevant. Sequence, Chain, and Tempo the In/Out/Up/Middle/Down layers are even more powerful to use.  the only DX command I use is for TIR because I use GUI in IL2 and SCRIPT in DCS.  I use the 120DX button script from Sedenion, it's quicker with the way DCS is mapped, and you can't use it in IL2. I can use Tempo presses (Long/short) and a modifier on S3 on the Stick. I just wish I could use TARGET to program my BlackHog, I'm stuck with Joy2Key on that. But I have numerous profiles for DCS on it. 

Edited June 20, 2022 by Hoss

[Barn-Owl]

Hi Fellow Virpil CM3 throttle users: for IL-2 BOS, I have a couple questions for you guys.

 

1) I want to use the flaps axis for the flaps, how have you guys set that up?  I want this for the Bf109 flaps up/down function, but want to use the flaps lever as an axis for the flaps.

 

2) for the zoom in/out function of the game, I would like to setup the "Z" axis as my zoom in/out.  How have you guys set this up?

 

Note: I have watched the "axis to buttons YouTube video," but cannot get it working in the game for some odd reason.  Can someone please post their screen shots?  Thanks in advance!

[Youtch]

Has any body be able to nail how to match physical detent with the different digital threesholds for each plane, when switching between Continuous-Combat-Emergency or between Normal and Combat power?

 

This is the only thing that i truly miss and force me to play with HUD which is an immersion braker.

[[Warship]MidnightLightnin]

On 10/15/2022 at 10:43 AM, Youtch said:

Has any body be able to nail how to match physical detent with the different digital threesholds for each plane, when switching between Continuous-Combat-Emergency or between Normal and Combat power?

 

This is the only thing that i truly miss and force me to play with HUD which is an immersion braker.

I think what you are looking for is described in detail earlier in this thread. 

[DD_fruitbat]

I'm so excited, I finally pulled the trigger earlier this month on an all new virpil hotas system, and I've just checked my order and its shipped☺️

 

[dburne]

Nice!! Happy days ahead!

[DD_fruitbat]

17 minutes ago, dburne said:

Nice!! Happy days ahead!

 

Yes, although a lot of remapping and setup to do first!!!!

 

Question, will all of the different parts use the same software to set up?

 

I presume it would be best to install each bit one at a time? 

[dburne]

Just now, DD_fruitbat said:

 

Yes, although a lot of remapping and setup to do first!!!!

 

Question, will all of the different parts use the same software to set up?

 

I presume it would be best to install each bit one at a time? 

 

Yes same software. Yes hook one thing up at a time and check firmware first to make sure it has latest, flash it to latest if it does not.