IL2 1943 Mod Flaps not Sequencing Properly

[WWDarkdiz]

Brief Description: IL2 1943 Mod Flaps Will not lower from half position.

The IL2 1943 mod is supposed to have flaps that extend either half, or full.  I was messing around with it, and discovered that if you try to extend to half flaps, the flap lever seems to hesitate at the half position, then continues forward to the full position. It never stays at the half flap position (lever should be straight up/down).  If you hold the keybind down fpr a few seconds (for me it is LCTL f) the flap lever hesitates at the half (straight up/down) position, flaps go to half, indicator on the wing agrees, but the lever continues to the full down position, even though the flaps remain at half.  You cannot continue to extend the flaps to full from the half position (one would think you could). In order to get full flaps, you have to completely raise the flaps, then TAP the flap down key.  The flaps then extend to full, and raise normally.  The problem here is you cannot lower the flaps any further from the half-flap position without first raising the flaps fully.  I used the keyboard to test this, not the throttle flap down switch.  If I'm not mistaken, the first activation of the flap down key SHOULD send the flaps to their first extended position, in this case half.  The second press should extend them to the next notch, in this case full.  Doesn't do that at all, especially since the flap lever in the cockpit hesitates at the half position (straight up) then goes un-commanded to the fully extended position (the left-side wing indicator seems to be accurate, shows half flap when half, full when full, up when up).  The lever always goes to the fully extended position, causing a mismatch in the flap position and the lever position.  I'm pretty sure that's the bug.

The flaps SHOULD work by pressing the key binding for flaps down, either pulse or hold, and the flaps should extend to half.  The second press should extend them fully.  Reverse is true for raising, first press from fully extended should raise to half, second press to fully retracted.  Clearly this is not happening.

[-DED-Rapidus]

@Darkdiz, there is simply release and cleaning of flaps, Key-release, LShift+F key combination-lifting to the starting position.

[WWDarkdiz]

I'll try and record a video and post.  It just does not seem right, especially when the lever clearly hesitates like it wants to stay there at the half position, and only does it one way.  May take me a day or 2 to get this done, so stby a bit.

BTW, keep up the awesome work on this, it is making the lockdown much more bearable ??

6 hours ago, -DED-Rapidus said:

@Darkdiz, there is simply release and cleaning of flaps, Key-release, LShift+F key combination-lifting to the starting position.

 

[WWDarkdiz]

@-DED-Rapidus

OK, here goes (this SO reminds me of explaining un-serviceabilities in detail to the maintenance tech on the ramp...)

After MANY test functioning of the flaps for this issue, I offer the following:

All tests done using the keyboard, joystick was NOT used.  AC was parked, engine not running.

There are 2 ways to cycle the flaps in this case, tapping the control, or holding the control (in my case LSHF f retracts the flaps, LCTL f extends the flaps).  Both will activate the function but with slightly different outcomes.

Starting with the flaps in the fully retracted (up) position, if the extend function is held, the flaps will lower to the full down position.  The flap lever in the cockpit reacts normally (goes full fwd), and the wing indicator on the left wing indicates full down, tech chat indicates flaps released.  All is good, this is the expected behaviour.

From the flaps fully retracted position, if the extend function is tapped, the flaps will extend to the 1/2 position, the wing indicator travels to the 1/2 position, and tech chat indicates flaps released.  Expected behaviour.  However, in this case, the cockpit flap lever hesitates at the 1/2 position and then continues to the full fwd position.  This is NOT the expected behaviour, lever should stay at the 1/2 position.

From the flaps 1/2 position (flap lever at the incorrect full fwd position, it never remains in the 1/2 position), if the extend function is either tapped or held, nothing happens (not the expected behaviour), except for the flaps release tech chat indication (expected behaviour).  Wing indicator remains at the 1/2 position (flaps are remaining at the 1/2 so these are actually indicating correctly), flap lever remains in the incorrect position (fully fwd vice the 1/2 position).  If the flaps had in fact extended further to the full down position, the cockpit lever would now be indicating correctly.

The expected behaviour here is that the flaps from the 1/2 position SHOULD extend further to the full down position, wing indicator should indicate full down, cockpit flap lever should travel from the 1/2 position to the full fwd position.  The problem here is that once the flaps are at the 1/2 position, they cannot be further extended, without first fully raising them by either tapping or holding the retract function, and then holding the extend function.  I'm pretty sure this was NOT how the flaps were supposed to function.  It makes no sense to have 1/2 flaps (normal for an approach) and then be unable to fully extend them from that position for landing (normal procedure) without first fully raising them.

For the most part, the retract function seems to act as expected, and there does not seem to be a difference between the tap or hold function.  However, in its current state, it is not possible to retract the flaps to the 1/2 flap position from the fully extended position either.  Tapping or holding always fully retracts the flaps, neither technique will cause the flaps to stop at the 1/2 flap position (seems logical to be able to get back to 1/2 flaps from the fully extended position).  The expected behaviour here is that if the retract function is HELD (consistent with the held extend function causing the flaps to extend to the 1/2 position), the flaps will stop at the 1/2 position, the wing indicator will indicate 1/2 position, the tech chat will indicate flaps retract, and the cockpit lever will stop at the 1/2 position.

So, the issue as I see it is that from the 1/2 flap position, further extension is not possible (as one would expect), and the cockpit lever is not indicating the 1/2 position correctly.  The fact that the lever hesitates at the 1/2 position and then continues to the full position may be a clue, as logically if the lever is already (incorrectly) at the full position while the flaps are at the 1/2 position, further extension would not be possible.  The fact that the tech chat indication of flaps release with no corresponding movement of the flaps tells me that the flaps WANT to move, but the incorrect lever position is precluding them from moving.  Also retracting the flaps to the 1/2 position from the fully extended position is not possible.  These issues are likely related, but clearly there is something up with the 1/2 flap position and the flap lever in the cockpit.

 

Thanks for looking into this, I hope that this helps troubleshooting this issue, I'm happy to discuss/assist further...

 

V/R

 

Darkdiz