Quest 2.

[Japsai]

Yeah, its a tough call.  I am leaning to Rift S, for reasons above and for comfort factor on longer sorties, where the Quest 2 seems to fall down on.  Either way, I will probably be upgrading PC and VR in a few years time and will still get fun out of either option (or can resell) in the meantime.  Not having had VR before, either will be good (I hope). 

[Lensman1945]

Quest 2 on Link is way better visually than the Rift S (I have both). No screen door effect and 100% more pixels. Since the Link came out of beta the Quest 2 is astonishing as a PCVR headset.

[OrLoK]

I adore my Quest 2. Its like buying one's first VR headset again.

My rift S is now retired as a back up and the addition of the Elite Strap with battery seals the deal (ymmv)

 

I even started playing "casual" games like beat sabre.

 

Im a 50year old Goth Rock lover and even I got into the "kids new fangled music".

 

Untethering is a game changer. The enhanced controller battery life is astounding, and the improved clarity etc pushes the feel of VR further.

 

Is it perfect? No. But then again whch VR headset is?

 

For the price its great and I wholeheartedly recommend one to anyone inclined to dip their toes into.

 

Pro tip: get the 64gb version. 90pc of users simply dont/wont need the 256, rather put the money into the Elite strap with battery. (Ive never been fit enough to drain the head mounted one)

[Pekka_Rayha]

6 hours ago, Lensman1945 said:

Quest 2 on Link is way better visually than the Rift S (I have both). No screen door effect and 100% more pixels. Since the Link came out of beta the Quest 2 is astonishing as a PCVR headset.

 

5 hours ago, OrLoK said:

I adore my Quest 2. Its like buying one's first VR headset again.

My rift S is now retired as a back up and the addition of the Elite Strap with battery seals the deal (ymmv)

 

I even started playing "casual" games like beat sabre.

 

Im a 50year old Goth Rock lover and even I got into the "kids new fangled music".

 

Untethering is a game changer. The enhanced controller battery life is astounding, and the improved clarity etc pushes the feel of VR further.

 

Is it perfect? No. But then again whch VR headset is?

 

For the price its great and I wholeheartedly recommend one to anyone inclined to dip their toes into.

 

Pro tip: get the 64gb version. 90pc of users simply dont/wont need the 256, rather put the money into the Elite strap with battery. (Ive never been fit enough to drain the head mounted one)

Thank you for your input, most helpful! I think I'm making up my mind... 

 

Do you play online at all? Or offline without the plane indicator texts, what they're called. I'm hoping spotting would be good enough, not great for this price but acceptable for online. I'm not that competitive but Rift S was a little bit too blurry for immersive spotting. 

[kisschicken]

Quest 2 looks great. Came from a CV1 and it there's no comparison. Looks about as good as a 1080p monitor imo.

[DD_Arthur]

I'm still using a Rift CV1 and looking at my options.  I'm running an RTX2070 and I don't intend to upgrade my rig....yet so have been looking at a Rift S or a Quest 2.

 

This thread has been very useful!

[Boomerang]

What happens if someone is banned on Facebook and owns a Oculus headset, could they still use the product they purchased?

 

[dburne]

21 minutes ago, Boomerang said:

What happens if someone is banned on Facebook and owns a Oculus headset, could they still use the product they purchased?

 

 

Probably not likely. I have seen a few complaints here and there for folks not being able to use their new headset due to this.

Don't know if they ever got it resolved or not.

[Boomerang]

Gee whizz, what's better off said is not said at all if that's the case, (if all ready invested in that particular product).

Wonder if there is some kind of heads up for potential customers regarding this?. I'd imagine sales could be effected in some way, given red flags on certain words used.

What a shame!

 

Edited November 27, 2020 by Boomerang

[Pekka_Rayha]

I found two cases where people were "accidentally" banned and got everything working after sending picture of their id or something. Sounds disgusting, but with my flying hours, I can't justify buying anything more expensive than Q2. 

[Pekka_Rayha]

Got my Quest 2 yesterday and I must say it really is something. I had Rift S before for two weeks before returning it, but this is really another step from it. This'll stay for sure and TrackIR is going for sale.

 

Oh and thanks to all of you providing info here to ease my decision! 

Edited November 28, 2020 by Pekka_Rayha

[Japsai]

48 minutes ago, Pekka_Rayha said:

Got my Quest 2 yesterday and I must say it really is something. I had Rift S before for two weeks before returning it, but this is really another step from it. This'll stay for sure and TrackIR is going for sale.

Hi there.

How does it compare with Rift S for:-

(a) Comfort

(b) Performance (latency, fps)

(c) Quality

(d) Also, what is your PC Spec? 

 

why did you return the Rift S? I was worried that the Q2 link (USB) might not work as well as Rift S (Displayport) with my PC spec, due to the need to compress video data before sending down the USB

 

Would really appreciate your help.  Thanks

On 11/25/2020 at 10:17 AM, Lensman1945 said:

Quest 2 on Link is way better visually than the Rift S (I have both). No screen door effect and 100% more pixels. Since the Link came out of beta the Quest 2 is astonishing as a PCVR headset.

Hi there

 

What is your PC spec? GPU/CPU/RAM?  DO you get good performance on the Q2 with low latency, 90Hz, good spotting etc?

 

Thanks

On 11/25/2020 at 11:26 AM, OrLoK said:

I adore my Quest 2. Its like buying one's first VR headset again.

My rift S is now retired as a back up and the addition of the Elite Strap with battery seals the deal (ymmv)

 

I even started playing "casual" games like beat sabre.

 

Im a 50year old Goth Rock lover and even I got into the "kids new fangled music".

 

Untethering is a game changer. The enhanced controller battery life is astounding, and the improved clarity etc pushes the feel of VR further.

 

Is it perfect? No. But then again whch VR headset is?

 

For the price its great and I wholeheartedly recommend one to anyone inclined to dip their toes into.

 

Pro tip: get the 64gb version. 90pc of users simply dont/wont need the 256, rather put the money into the Elite strap with battery. (Ive never been fit enough to drain the head mounted one)

Hi there

Same questions really.  How is the performance (latency, fps, 90hz?) compared with Rift S and what is your pc spec.  I was leaning to Rift S for tethered experience but am now wondering.  I have i7-8700@3.2 (boosting to 4.6), RTX2070 and 16GB RAM.  Thanks

Edited November 28, 2020 by 334th_Biffa

[Pekka_Rayha]

29 minutes ago, 334th_Biffa said:

Hi there.

How does it compare with Rift S for:-

(a) Comfort

(b) Performance (latency, fps)

(c) Quality

(d) Also, what is your PC Spec? 

 

why did you return the Rift S? I was worried that the Q2 link (USB) might not work as well as Rift S (Displayport) with my PC spec, due to the need to compress video data before sending down the USB

 

Would really appreciate your help.  Thanks

 

It's been over a year since I had Rift S but from what I remember,

 

a) I think comfort is a step back from the S but it's pretty good, I can play couple of hours and feel no stress. What's remarkable to me, as weird as it sounds, it does not smell at all. PSVR smells and Rift S had this plastic, chemical smell too (propably that material in those "nose flaps") and somehow I get nausea even from that smell alone, let alone playing. I can ignore it now a bit, now that I've played PSVR more. I don't know, maybe that smell reminds me of some bad VR experiences where I got sick. Anyway, to me that's a big, unexpected, weird plus.

 

b and c) I haven't checked the numbers yet, just fps few times. I'm running it supersampling off, I'll start tinkering the settings later. What's important to me is that I'm happy even at SS off. It's sharp and clear enough to me. From what I remember about Rift S, I think it's just as much sharper than the resolution increase makes you expect. Still it runs very well, maybe even better than with Rift S, though the game has been updated plenty of times back then and I can't remember my settings. I have to try more crowded scenes to really say anything definite about oerformance. With 1 vs 1 scene on a city I was pulling stable 70+ frames per second I think. I might have had anti-aliasing on back then, now I took it off and I feel I dont need it. The headset resolution is good enough.

 

d) R5 3600 @ 4,2 Ghz only, GTX 1080, 16 GB 3200 Mhz DDR4.

 

I returned Rift S because it was too blurry for me to enjoy and it was nearly 500€. I did not want to pay that for experience I did not thoroughly enjoy. I don't do competitive, I fly for experience and feeling and enjoyment, though I'm planning to dvelve into MP more and more.

Q2 Link does not stress your PC almost at all and the image quality is amazing. I don't see any difference when playing Q2 native software or by PC via Link. 

[Japsai]

5 hours ago, Pekka_Rayha said:

It's been over a year since I had Rift S but from what I remember,

 

a) I think comfort is a step back from the S but it's pretty good, I can play couple of hours and feel no stress. What's remarkable to me, as weird as it sounds, it does not smell at all. PSVR smells and Rift S had this plastic, chemical smell too (propably that material in those "nose flaps") and somehow I get nausea even from that smell alone, let alone playing. I can ignore it now a bit, now that I've played PSVR more. I don't know, maybe that smell reminds me of some bad VR experiences where I got sick. Anyway, to me that's a big, unexpected, weird plus.

 

b and c) I haven't checked the numbers yet, just fps few times. I'm running it supersampling off, I'll start tinkering the settings later. What's important to me is that I'm happy even at SS off. It's sharp and clear enough to me. From what I remember about Rift S, I think it's just as much sharper than the resolution increase makes you expect. Still it runs very well, maybe even better than with Rift S, though the game has been updated plenty of times back then and I can't remember my settings. I have to try more crowded scenes to really say anything definite about oerformance. With 1 vs 1 scene on a city I was pulling stable 70+ frames per second I think. I might have had anti-aliasing on back then, now I took it off and I feel I dont need it. The headset resolution is good enough.

 

d) R5 3600 @ 4,2 Ghz only, GTX 1080, 16 GB 3200 Mhz DDR4.

 

I returned Rift S because it was too blurry for me to enjoy and it was nearly 500€. I did not want to pay that for experience I did not thoroughly enjoy. I don't do competitive, I fly for experience and feeling and enjoyment, though I'm planning to dvelve into MP more and more.

Q2 Link does not stress your PC almost at all and the image quality is amazing. I don't see any difference when playing Q2 native software or by PC via Link. 

Thanks a lot - really appreciate your help.  I am really warming to a purchase of Q2 and link, rather than Rift S.  I have i7-8700 (3.2GHz boosting to 4.6), RTX2070 and 16GB RAM so would hopefully get a similarly positive experience

Thanks again

[DD_Arthur]

25 minutes ago, 334th_Biffa said:

Thanks a lot - really appreciate your help.  I am really warming to a purchase of Q2 and link, rather than Rift S.  I have i7-8700 (3.2GHz boosting to 4.6), RTX2070 and 16GB RAM so would hopefully get a similarly positive experience

Thanks again

 

Yep, same situation except I'm running an i73930k at 4.6Ghz and 24GB of DDR3.  I can get a new Quest 2 and link cable for the same wonga as a decent , used Rift S.

 

Seems to be a no-brainer.

[admiralackbar86]

For those who want more comfort with the Quest 2, I highly recommend getting the Elite Strap.  The strap the Q2 comes with leaves tons to be desired, and I was amazed how different the headset feels with the Elite Strap, 100% more comfortable. 

 

Side note, has anyone else noticed better performance using Virtual Desktop?  I am waiting on my new PC to come in, but my current pc has an older I5 4690k and a Nvidia 1070. I was on average getting around 35 fps with pretty low settings using a link cable.  My PC has started randomly disconnecting my Link cable mid flight, so In frustration I switched to Virtual Desktop to play and surprisingly I am now getting between 45 and 50 fps.

[dburne]

56 minutes ago, admiralackbar86 said:

For those who want more comfort with the Quest 2, I highly recommend getting the Elite Strap.  The strap the Q2 comes with leaves tons to be desired, and I was amazed how different the headset feels with the Elite Strap, 100% more comfortable. 

 

Side note, has anyone else noticed better performance using Virtual Desktop?  I am waiting on my new PC to come in, but my current pc has an older I5 4690k and a Nvidia 1070. I was on average getting around 35 fps with pretty low settings using a link cable.  My PC has started randomly disconnecting my Link cable mid flight, so In frustration I switched to Virtual Desktop to play and surprisingly I am now getting between 45 and 50 fps.

 

Were you using the official Oculus brand Link Cable or a different one? USB3 or 2?

Edited November 28, 2020 by dburne

[admiralackbar86]

4 hours ago, dburne said:

 

Were you using the official Oculus brand Link Cable or a different one? USB3 or 2?

 

No I am using an after market cable, it is USB 3.  

[Skood]

Are you running the new link update which enables 90hz? It sounds like as you are not able to maintain 72hz then ASW is kicking in and lowering you to 36hz. VD has no ASW and therefore you are sitting on the frame rate your machine is capable of at those settings. 

[Japsai]

On 11/25/2020 at 10:17 AM, Lensman1945 said:

Quest 2 on Link is way better visually than the Rift S (I have both). No screen door effect and 100% more pixels. Since the Link came out of beta the Quest 2 is astonishing as a PCVR headset.

Hi @Lensman1945  Would you mind if I asked what your PC spec is, as I am trying to chose between the two and you have experience of both.  I want the Q2 really but was worried if my PC could cope without a big hit on latency, quality & performance (fps) etc.  Can you get good performance and quality at 90Hz?

  I have CPU i7-8700 (3.2GHz, boosting to 4.6), RTX2070 and 16GB RAM.  How does this compare with your rig?  Cheers

Edited November 29, 2020 by 334th_Biffa

[Lensman1945]

36 minutes ago, 334th_Biffa said:

Hi @Lensman1945  Would you mind if I asked what your PC spec is, as I am trying to chose between the two and you have experience of both.  I want the Q2 really but was worried if my PC could cope without a big hit on latency, quality & performance (fps) etc.  Can you get good performance and quality at 90Hz?

  I have CPU i7-8700 (3.2GHz, boosting to 4.6), RTX2070 and 16GB RAM.  How does this compare with your rig?  Cheers

Hi, my PC specs are in my sig (below this message}

I'm running the Q2 at 70fps with it's custom resolution setting at 4848x2448. Official Link cable and SATA powered StarTech PCIE USB card.

Still tweaking IL2 settings and using Open Composite instead of Steam. Been away from IL2 for a while as i have recently ventured into Sim Racing but the Q2 is performing quite nicely in IL2 with frame rates around 60fps. Will get an RX380 card once they become available, the 1080ti is flat out and doesn't have the advantage of the new decoding hardware of the RX cards.

Hope that helps

[Japsai]

58 minutes ago, Lensman1945 said:

Hi, my PC specs are in my sig (below this message}

I'm running the Q2 at 70fps with it's custom resolution setting at 4848x2448. Official Link cable and SATA powered StarTech PCIE USB card.

Still tweaking IL2 settings and using Open Composite instead of Steam. Been away from IL2 for a while as i have recently ventured into Sim Racing but the Q2 is performing quite nicely in IL2 with frame rates around 60fps. Will get an RX380 card once they become available, the 1080ti is flat out and doesn't have the advantage of the new decoding hardware of the RX cards.

Hope that helps

Sorry @Lensman1945 - maybe I missed something but couldnt see your pc specs or signature

Edited November 29, 2020 by 334th_Biffa

[Lensman1945]

Weird.....here you go

 

Intel Core i7 6700K @ 4.5GHz. Asus-Z170-PRO MB CORSAIR H105 HYDRO CPU COOLER.
EVGA 1080Ti FTW3 Elite. 16GB DDR4 2666MHZ HYPERX SAVAGE. SAMSUNG M.2 SSD 128GB SM951 Boot Drive

SAMSUNG SSD 500GB EVO Working Drive. Windows 10 64bit Professional

[OrLoK]

specs 

 

1090 @4.8

32gb(64? I cant remember!) ram

2080sc

Various ssds and Hdds

 

Ive owned the CV1. Rift S and the Quest 2.

 

They are all very different beasts and have very different prices.

 

If I had to choose just one, it would be the Q2. Its just better all round vs cost. I LOVE my other headsets but theyve been packed away as backups.

 

The CV1 and S have their own bits/attributes I would like to see on the Q2 but to be honest I forget about thiose once im in VR.

 

There are some who delight in complaining about headsets and their drawbacks, I think of them as uber HIFI experts who must simply have the best of the best and become enraged if the "impedence or wattage signal doesnt equal the sub bass max ohm count in a variable wave frequency", To me, its all dingo's kidneys and im happy if I can listen to the music i like even if its from an Alexa speaker.

 

Ymmv.

 

The rift S is reaching its end of life, as lovely though she was, go for a quest2.

Edited November 29, 2020 by OrLoK

[Japsai]

7 hours ago, Lensman1945 said:

Weird.....here you go

 

Intel Core i7 6700K @ 4.5GHz. Asus-Z170-PRO MB CORSAIR H105 HYDRO CPU COOLER.
EVGA 1080Ti FTW3 Elite. 16GB DDR4 2666MHZ HYPERX SAVAGE. SAMSUNG M.2 SSD 128GB SM951 Boot Drive

SAMSUNG SSD 500GB EVO Working Drive. Windows 10 64bit Professional

Thanks. Q2 on order. Fingers crossed.

7 hours ago, OrLoK said:

specs 

 

1090 @4.8

32gb(64? I cant remember!) ram

2080sc

Various ssds and Hdds

 

Ive owned the CV1. Rift S and the Quest 2.

 

They are all very different beasts and have very different prices.

 

If I had to choose just one, it would be the Q2. Its just better all round vs cost. I LOVE my other headsets but theyve been packed away as backups.

 

The CV1 and S have their own bits/attributes I would like to see on the Q2 but to be honest I forget about thiose once im in VR.

 

There are some who delight in complaining about headsets and their drawbacks, I think of them as uber HIFI experts who must simply have the best of the best and become enraged if the "impedence or wattage signal doesnt equal the sub bass max ohm count in a variable wave frequency", To me, its all dingo's kidneys and im happy if I can listen to the music i like even if its from an Alexa speaker.

 

Ymmv.

 

The rift S is reaching its end of life, as lovely though she was, go for a quest2.

Thanks for your help. Q2 on order. Fingers crossed 

[OrLoK]

I hope you love it like I do.

[AuburnAlumni]

I'm planning on picking up a Reverb G2, but I will say...Quest 2 with the newest update makes link very impressive.  I've got a Rift S, CV1, and Quest 1 and Quest 2 with link is definitely the sharpest I've seen in PCVR with Oculus.  There is a stark difference between beta Link and the release version.  

 

I'm very impressed with what the Oculus/Facebook engineers were able to do with a compressed signal.  I also ordered a 3rd party halo strap with headphones for the Quest 2 as I miss the comfort that the halo strap gave me with my Rift S.

 

I'm really happy with Quest 2 now.  Still getting a Reverb G2 as well though because I can't help myself.

[dburne]

21 minutes ago, AuburnAlumni said:

I'm planning on picking up a Reverb G2, but I will say...Quest 2 with the newest update makes link very impressive.  I've got a Rift S, CV1, and Quest 1 and Quest 2 with link is definitely the sharpest I've seen in PCVR with Oculus.  There is a stark difference between beta Link and the release version.  

 

I'm very impressed with what the Oculus/Facebook engineers were able to do with a compressed signal.  I also ordered a 3rd party halo strap with headphones for the Quest 2 as I miss the comfort that the halo strap gave me with my Rift S.

 

I'm really happy with Quest 2 now.  Still getting a Reverb G2 as well though because I can't help myself.

 

I got to quit reading these reports, tempted to pick one up just for my Oculus games I have.

[unlikely_spider]

1 hour ago, dburne said:

 

I got to quit reading these reports, tempted to pick one up just for my Oculus games I have.

I just tried Revive in order to play Lone Echo which I just got on sale, and it works great in my G2

[dburne]

11 minutes ago, unlikely_spider said:

I just tried Revive in order to play Lone Echo which I just got on sale, and it works great in my G2

 

Is it very complex?

[unlikely_spider]

6 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Is it very complex?

It wasn't. I was afraid of adding yet another layer too. Following the instructions, I installed the Oculus software, then the Revive installer. These days, Revive puts itself into the Steam VR home, and any currently installed Oculus games simply show in the Steam Home menu along with the other Steam games.

I did get an error at first when launching Lone Echo for the first time, but a PC restart cleared it up.

I don't even think I have the Oculus software, or Revive running, though don't take my word that they aren't running in the background. But at the time being, I can just start Steam VR and start the game as if it isn't even part of the Oculus ecosystem.

 

And the G2 controllers seem to match the Oculus controllers, so that makes it easy.

 

There's a Revive compatibility list you can Google and it shows the current status of working Oculus games.

[dburne]

2 minutes ago, unlikely_spider said:

It wasn't. I was afraid of adding yet another layer too. Following the instructions, I installed the Oculus software, then the Revive installer. These days, Revive puts itself into the Steam VR home, and any currently installed Oculus games simply show in the Steam Home menu along with the other Steam games.

I did get an error at first when launching Lone Echo for the first time, but a PC restart cleared it up.

I don't even think I have the Oculus software, or Revive running, though don't take my word that they aren't running in the background. But at the time being, I can just start Steam VR and start the game as if it isn't even part of the Oculus ecosystem.

 

And the G2 controllers seem to match the Oculus controllers, so that makes it easy.

 

There's a Revive compatibility list you can Google and it shows the current status of working Oculus games.

 

Awesome thanks for the tips, I may give it a try. Might save me on getting a Quest 2. Reverb G2 is awesome.

[unlikely_spider]

7 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Awesome thanks for the tips, I may give it a try. Might save me on getting a Quest 2. Reverb G2 is awesome.

I agree. I am very pleased with Revive - I took a chance paying the $20 for Lone Echo (as the sci-fi nerd that I am) but it works beautifully.

The only thing is the required FB account. I don't have one so had to use my wife's ?

Edited November 30, 2020 by unlikely_spider

[Pekka_Rayha]

I have to add regarding comfort, I'm finding it pretty heavy on my cheeks now that I've been playing three nights. I guess I have to consider better strap at some point. 

 

And I'm starting to feel urge to update my GTX 1080 ?

[AuburnAlumni]

On 12/2/2020 at 12:11 AM, Pekka_Rayha said:

I have to add regarding comfort, I'm finding it pretty heavy on my cheeks now that I've been playing three nights. I guess I have to consider better strap at some point. 

 

And I'm starting to feel urge to update my GTX 1080 ?

I ordered a Halo Strap from VR Panda for the Quest 2.  I really liked the Rift S comfort with the Halo strap as it kept all of the weight off of the front of my face.  Hoping to have the same experience on this one.

[Pekka_Rayha]

2 hours ago, AuburnAlumni said:

I ordered a Halo Strap from VR Panda for the Quest 2.  I really liked the Rift S comfort with the Halo strap as it kept all of the weight off of the front of my face.  Hoping to have the same experience on this one.

PSVR halo strap is super comfortable, though the headset is pretty light. Still, with my experience with it, I think halo strap is the way to go. 

I personally just need to recover from my VR game shopping spree first. 

 

Edit: PSVR is way over 600 grams! Damn that thing is comfortable. 

Edited December 3, 2020 by Pekka_Rayha

[kisschicken]

You'll be happy with Quest 2. The "compressed" image on my Quest 2 is about 5x better than my uncompressed CV1.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Have you streamed via virtual desktop (WiFi) as well? Is your aspect ratio wrong as well? If you have found a solution please let us know.

 

Via Oculus link it works perfectly fine. Best result here is at 80Hz and then 1.1 native resolution imo. 90Hz messes with the image too much.

Edited December 4, 2020 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[Giovanni_Giorgio]

Has anyone tried OpenComposite with Quest 2? I managed to make it work, but I get worse performance with it. I have a laptop with i5-9300h/RTX2060/16GB 2666MhZ and can get 72 FPS in a quick mission fur ball with Steam VR, but get stuck with 35 and reprojection on OpenComposite, using the same settings.

[Pekka_Rayha]

11 hours ago, mincer said:

Has anyone tried OpenComposite with Quest 2? I managed to make it work, but I get worse performance with it. I have a laptop with i5-9300h/RTX2060/16GB 2666MhZ and can get 72 FPS in a quick mission fur ball with Steam VR, but get stuck with 35 and reprojection on OpenComposite, using the same settings.

I think I'm getting a little bit better performance via OpenComposite, GTX 1080 here. Haven't benchmarked that much, I'll have to check Steam VR with big fur ball. One on one quick mission was better with OC. Maybe I'll try the benchmark video that's on some topic in here.