hal_900 Posted September 28, 2020 Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) Title says it all, since the 4.501 update no matter what setting I have FXAA makes no difference to the display. Lines are jagged and flicker which is quite bad. I'm not making any changes in the Nvidia control panel either, I've got the same settings in game and drivers (although I did try newer /older with no difference) since before the update and its 100% an issue since the last update. Ryzen 3600 16GB 3200mhz RAM GTX 1660 Super 4.52 drivers, also tried a few other older ones, same issue. MSAA seems to make some difference to the display but overall its still jagged compared to how the game was before. (I would also like to use FXAA as I have always done) Is this a known issue or is it by design for the new 'spotting' changes? Edited September 28, 2020 by hal_900 1
hal_900 Posted September 29, 2020 Author Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) Ok thats uploaded now, If i have FXAA on any setting including OFF the game is the same, lines etc are jagged and flicker and this is most immeidiately noticable on the menu screen hangar as per the below: - any FXAA setting makes no difference. MSAA does make some difference but everything is noticably worse since the latest update. I've verified files on Steam, no difference. If I force FXAA via Nvidia there is also no difference and text becomes harder to read in the game as it becomes blocky? Edited September 29, 2020 by hal_900 1
GOA_Karaya_VR Posted September 29, 2020 Posted September 29, 2020 And dont even try in VR, unless you want to feel your eyes burning.. I would like to see FXAA working again , because in vr we gain some fps than MSAA. 1
hal_900 Posted September 29, 2020 Author Posted September 29, 2020 So its an issue for you as well? I'd just like the devs to confirm if this is bug or part of how the game is supposed to be since the latest updates
GOA_Karaya_VR Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) I'm making some tunes for getting more fps with fxaa for my VR with diferent adjustments and as we are talking about , FXAA aliasing dont work. FXAA with 0 Aliasing and here with FXAA x4 Imagine trying to get visual of some contacts with VR headset , i almost feel my eyes burning. Karaya. Edited October 1, 2020 by GOA_BlackDevil_*VR*-Karaya 1
hal_900 Posted October 2, 2020 Author Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) Its difficult for me to capture video as well, I'm literally just recording my screen with a phone camera- what software can I use to record? Do you also get flickering of the main menu hanger? - in game I get landscape flicker, anything such as a road or river edge is blocky and flickers, as do the plane cockpits Do the developers see these posts? Edited October 2, 2020 by hal_900
1CGS -DED-Rapidus Posted October 5, 2020 1CGS Posted October 5, 2020 @hal_900, I carefully studied the reports, looked at FXAA, but did not understand what the error is? FXAA Off: FXAA 2X: FXAA 4X:
hal_900 Posted October 5, 2020 Author Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) Edit: Firstly, thank you for looking at this, hopefully the below help to show what I mean - although its difficult to capture flickering in images! There is no noticable difference with FXAA on or off with my setup, the easiest test is to watch the main menu, paying attention to the metal railings in the hangar, you will see they are jagged and flicker as the camera pans round. Also the drains on the floor of the hanger flicker intensly as the camera pans round. This is reduced by using MSAA but FXAA has little to no effect at all. (my screenshots may show an MSI afterburner overlay, this being on or off has no bearing on the issue) MSAA X4 EDIT: I'll upload some more Highlighted boxes are where the screen flickers as the AA doesnt seem to work FXAA off FXAA X4 - notice the railings between off and x4, there is no difference in how they appear jagged, it is very similar I dont know how I'd be able to upload a video <5mb but maybe I can try and sort something. Again im only showing the menu screen as its the fastest was to display the issue rather than booting into a game etc Edited October 5, 2020 by hal_900
hal_900 Posted October 5, 2020 Author Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) Even msaa X4 isnt totally better, the entire wingtip and ariel (?) are jagged and flickering as they are appearing as jagged lines in game constantly moving Edited October 5, 2020 by hal_900
SCG_Wulfe Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 Hi Hal, FXAA has always been this way somewhat with the flickering. FXAA is known for not dealing with flickering edges/thin lines as well as MSAA. However as you can see by what Rapidus posted, FXAA is, in fact, working. The flickering will also decrease with higher resolutions.
hal_900 Posted October 5, 2020 Author Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, SCG_Wulfe said: Hi Hal, FXAA has always been this way somewhat with the flickering. FXAA is known for not dealing with flickering edges/thin lines as well as MSAA. However as you can see by what Rapidus posted, FXAA is, in fact, working. The flickering will also decrease with higher resolutions. But can you see my screenshots that show its not working? - Even on MSAA X4 its not working so well, although it is a bit better. I'm at 2560x1080 and it also occurs on another monitor at 1920x1080. (tried at 60 and 75hz on each monitor - 75 being the max they can do) I only have a 1660 super and I dont have a higher resolution monitor to try anything higher. There was no flickering before the last update and I played exclusively on FXAA. I will have to try and get a video hosted to show it more clearly. Edited October 5, 2020 by hal_900
KG_S_Kalle_Kalutz82 Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 Welcome to the Club There is a descriped way in this thread (changing first ingame graphic settings, than manually some lines in startup.cfg) how you manually can improve this post-4.5 patch effect a little bit. But its not like pre-patch, but still a little better. 2
SCG_Wulfe Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) Hi Hal, I'm not sure why things are flickering more for you after the update? Has your terrain switched from blurry to no filter or sharp? I find that when when I set terrain on blurry with the overall sharp filter ticked, I get less flickering. MSAA deals much better with flickering on thin lines. Here are your screenshots zoomed in. You can see the difference between FXAA off and FXAA on. FXAA = OFF FXAA = ON FXAA = OFF FXAA = ON Edited October 5, 2020 by SCG_Wulfe
hal_900 Posted October 6, 2020 Author Posted October 6, 2020 15 hours ago, SCG_Wulfe said: Hi Hal, I'm not sure why things are flickering more for you after the update? Has your terrain switched from blurry to no filter or sharp? I find that when when I set terrain on blurry with the overall sharp filter ticked, I get less flickering. MSAA deals much better with flickering on thin lines. Here are your screenshots zoomed in. You can see the difference between FXAA off and FXAA on. FXAA = OFF FXAA = ON FXAA = OFF FXAA = ON (Note when I say flicker it appears to me as objects move / camera moves round objects jagged lines constantly appear and move about fairly quickly and its like they 'flash' on and off sometimes. ) Look at the raililngs though in the hangar, the FXAA OFF and X4 is essentially the same, I cannot capture a screenshot at 100% the same time on each as the camera moves round as it were, but the railings are jagged and flicker as the camera pans round. The aircraft surfaces present a little better but there is still flicker, the landscape does this quite a lot as do some elements in the cockpit. This is the flicker that is new since the update and this is what is causing me the biggest issues as significant flicker is a trigger for headaches - I wouldnt be able to have 180+ hours in the game if it always did this. I've just fired up the game on a laptop with a GTX1060 on 391.24 drivers (OLD!) and its exactly the same on the hangar when the game loads, the railing and the drains etc in the hangar flicker because AA isnt applying to them. This is again with FXAA set to X4. What I'm really after is an answer to why this was introduced, is it a bug or is it part of the spotting changes, will it always be present with FXAA and to a slightly reduced state in MSAA? I do enjoy this game a lot so the only thing I can think of is getting a 2nd hand ATI card instead to see if that will help with flicker. OR I can mess with the landscape settings, I do have it set to blur etc as I didnt change anything since before the update. On 10/5/2020 at 6:27 AM, -DED-Rapidus said: @hal_900, I carefully studied the reports, looked at FXAA, but did not understand what the error is? FXAA Off: FXAA 2X: FXAA 4X: What graphics card are you running?
1CGS -DED-Rapidus Posted October 6, 2020 1CGS Posted October 6, 2020 27 minutes ago, hal_900 said: What graphics card are you running? MSI GTX 1080TI Gaming X
hal_900 Posted October 6, 2020 Author Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, -DED-Rapidus said: MSI GTX 1080TI Gaming X What driver version, do you have any custom changes in Nvidia control panel? Do you see the flickering on the menu screen in the hanger of the railings, hanger doors, the floor drains as the camera pans around the plane? (with FXAA on any setting) - again I only mention the hanger as its the quickest way to see the issue without loading up a miossion etc. I found something online for a totally different game but this is the sort of thing: (hope Im allowed to link other sites?) - appreciate this is not exactly the same but its a similar sort of flicker in the distance. I've got a video of a road flickering in BOS in a similar way but I need to get a youtube account etc to host it. Edited October 6, 2020 by hal_900
J2_Bidu Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) Well, I get horrendous flickering both in FXAA and also with MSAA 2x, 4x, 8x. What actually made a difference for me was FPS. Capping at 60 FPS makes it low enough to stop being a problem. I used to fly at 120-140 FPS with no perceived flickering, some months ago. GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER. Edited October 6, 2020 by J2_Bidu 1
hal_900 Posted October 7, 2020 Author Posted October 7, 2020 I think putting these side by side shows it, the images SCG_Wulfe zommed in on - I dont see how its not noticeable for anyone else, this clearly shows AA isnt being applied very well at all and the jagged lines flicker with movement- are some parts of the game / elements of the game exempt from the AA effect by design since the new update?. On 10/5/2020 at 6:27 AM, -DED-Rapidus said: @hal_900, I carefully studied the reports, looked at FXAA, but did not understand what the error is? FXAA Off: FXAA 2X: FXAA 4X: On 10/5/2020 at 9:06 PM, SCG_Wulfe said: Hi Hal, I'm not sure why things are flickering more for you after the update? Has your terrain switched from blurry to no filter or sharp? I find that when when I set terrain on blurry with the overall sharp filter ticked, I get less flickering. MSAA deals much better with flickering on thin lines. Here are your screenshots zoomed in. You can see the difference between FXAA off and FXAA on. FXAA = OFF ... FXAA = ON .... FXAA = OFF FXAA = ON
J2_Bidu Posted October 9, 2020 Posted October 9, 2020 On 10/7/2020 at 5:46 PM, hal_900 said: [...] and the jagged lines flicker with movement [...] Something I'd describe as barber shop pole effect... looks weird.
hal_900 Posted October 11, 2020 Author Posted October 11, 2020 On 10/9/2020 at 6:50 PM, J2_Bidu said: Something I'd describe as barber shop pole effect... looks weird. Yes I see what you mean there, it is sort of like that. Also, what is going on with the text in the game? - Its all blocky for me. I'm on MSAA x4 here and all my geforce settings are default. This is the AA not being applied again I think?
1CGS -DED-Rapidus Posted October 26, 2020 1CGS Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 11:55 PM, hal_900 said: What driver version, do you have any custom changes in Nvidia control panel? Since I am a tester, my settings are set by default in the GPU settings.
hal_900 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 11:33 PM, -DED-Rapidus said: Since I am a tester, my settings are set by default in the GPU settings. I'm getting the same drivers now. I just dont understand how you dont see the level of flicker in the game since the latest update / the staircase effect; and it was not doing it like this before. Even the text on the menus is aliased / 'jaggied' now and I've re-installed the game. Still flickering. Default settings everywhere. AA does not work!
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