More Spotting Fun

[Coffee_Zombie77]

14.09.2020 в 07:29, Jason_Williams сказал:

You will all have this on about 10 days if all goes to plan.

THX

Edited September 15, 2020 by Askook

[Soilworker]

19 hours ago, SJ_Butcher said:

Nos we are talking about, this is indeed a huge leap over the current one we have, I can't wait to play again.

 

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Dude can you stop saying or implying on every relevant thread about how you consider the sim unplayable due to the current spotting issues? 

 

This "unplayability" is purely self imposed, if it was really unplayable no one would be playing but guess what, we are! 

 

I'm not saying it's perfect but to say it's unplayable (at every opportunity) is just stupid and comes across as entitled and petulant and it's really starting to grate. 

[Rjel]

43 minutes ago, Soilworker said:

 

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Dude can you stop saying or implying on every relevant thread about how you consider the sim unplayable due to the current spotting issues? 

 

This "unplayability" is purely self imposed, if it was really unplayable no one would be playing but guess what, we are! 

 

I'm not saying it's perfect but to say it's unplayable (at every opportunity) is just stupid and comes across as entitled and petulant and it's really starting to grate. 

Absolutely agree. There is so much to enjoy, I’d rather focus on what is than what isn’t. I think this team has shown repeatedly that issues get attention As time and resources permit. The improvements made over the last two or three years exceeded any of my expectations.  

[Tipsi]

Everyone be chill till the update comes.

Everyone be chill till the update comes.

Everyone be chill till the update comes.

 

[RedKestrel]

50 minutes ago, Tipsi said:

Everyone be chill till the update comes.

Everyone be chill till the update comes.

Everyone be chill till the update comes.

 

[SJ_Butcher]

2 hours ago, Soilworker said:

 

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Dude can you stop saying or implying on every relevant thread about how you consider the sim unplayable due to the current spotting issues? 

 

This "unplayability" is purely self imposed, if it was really unplayable no one would be playing but guess what, we are! 

 

I'm not saying it's perfect but to say it's unplayable (at every opportunity) is just stupid and comes across as entitled and petulant and it's really starting to grate.

 

If I only want to fly I would move to FS, that's why this is unplayable, without action this is not a combat sim.

[Elem]

1 hour ago, SJ_Butcher said:

If I only want to fly I would move to FS, that's why this is unplayable, without action this is not a combat sim

Well I don't know what it is you are not playing, but I'm playing BoX and getting PLENTY of combat!

[JG27_M-C]

19 minutes ago, Elem said:

Well I don't know what it is you are not playing, but I'm playing BoX and getting PLENTY of combat!

 

For me it's not about having combat by itself... I am often being killed (a lot) because of the inability to proper judgement (absent/poor SA) and applying the desired tactics... (many times) someone is able to see me but I am unable to see him. (I'm @4K + TIR BTW)

 

I'm just an "average Joe" out there with the ability to stay alive if willing to stop entering fights blind as a bat. Having that said, instead of having 0.5 K/S - Kills per Sortie I would be pretty much at 0 and with few to no engagements per sortie... for that I would have more fun flying a non military based Flight Simulator. ?

 

~S~

[SCG_Wulfe]

I'm trying to say this in the most gentle/non-offensive way as honestly no offense is intended. 

 

That said, I think a lot of people have no idea how much effort and practice and just plain gifted-ness it takes to have great SA. This is part of the skill/reward of flying a combat sim. 

I am by no means phenomenal in this area and I have worked hard to become just competent enough in it. But, I think it's worth recognizing that we aren't all born ace fighter pilots and as the devs have said a few times, many pilots would never see what hit them in real life. 

 

On my end, the visibility improvements are welcome as they should reduce the number of times you are tracking a contact and it appears to disappear before your eyes at close range. Also it should help with being able to quickly glance away from a contact you are tracking and then come back to tracking without losing it as often. I think some of these issues were at times, less than realistic. 

 

That said, I don't think it is, nor should it be a magic bullet to insufficient SA. I sometimes wonder if there are individuals who would not be satisfied unless they could spot contacts like they would if there were labels over every contact that are visible through your plane. 

 

I think people will remain baffled and surprised by the aces who will likewise gain from.... and simultaneously adapt to the new system. They will still maintain their seemingly invisible and deadly edge. 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2020 by SCG_Wulfe

[RedKestrel]

14 minutes ago, SCG_Wulfe said:

I'm trying to say this in the most gentle/non-offensive way as honestly no offense is intended. 

 

That said, I think a lot of people have no idea how much effort and practice and just plain gifted-ness it takes to have great SA. This is part of the skill/reward of flying a combat sim. 

I am by no means phenomenal in this area and I have worked hard to become just competent enough in it. But, I think it's worth recognizing that we aren't all born ace fighter pilots and as the devs have said a few times, many pilots would never see what hit them in real life. 

 

On my end, the visibility improvements are welcome as they should reduce the number of times you are tracking a contact and it appears to disappear before your eyes at close range. Also it should help with being able to quickly glance away from a contact you are tracking and then come back to tracking without losing it as often. I think some of these issues were at times, less than realistic. 

 

That said, I don't think it is, nor should it be a magic bullet to insufficient SA. I sometimes wonder if there are individuals who would not be satisfied unless they could spot contacts like they would if there were labels over every contact that are visible through your plane. 

 

I think people will remain baffled and surprised by the aces who will likewise gain from.... and simultaneously adapt to the new system. They will still maintain their seemingly invisible and deadly edge. 

 

 

I think you're correct here. 

I don't see the visibility improvements as giving me a better chance against the aces, I see it as reducing the moments of frustration from losing contacts in certain situations, which can sometimes sap the fun out of a flight. I think it will enable more moderate and low-skilled pilots to learn faster as they will be able to observe their opponents more consistently and with less zooming, and thus develop their SA skills in a better direction. But it won't fix target fixation, lack of focus, or distraction, nor should it. The aces will stay aces but I think they should expect the competition to get a little fiercer and the kills to come a little more dearly once everyone is used to the system and any bugs are ironed out - surely a process of months.

I'm really looking forward to the enhancements in general. I like the look of them - I think they will enhance the experience of the sim in a way that is not a clunky gimmick or immersion breaking. That is a difficult needle to thread for sure. Looking forward to a couple weeks from now when we can strap in and try it out ourselves.

[Stoopy]

3 hours ago, SJ_Butcher said:

 

If I only want to fly I would move to FS, that's why this is unplayable, without action this is not a combat sim.

 

I would have thought you'd moved there already for as long as you are saying this sim is unplayable.  Or are you happy just posting on forums these days?

 

[sniperton]

1 hour ago, RedKestrel said:

it won't fix target fixation, lack of focus, or distraction, nor should it. The aces will stay aces

As an offliner I'd add that the AI too should be made prone to all these things. Different story, I know, but for offliners it'd be equally important.

[Creep]

5 minutes ago, Stoopy said:

 

I would have thought you'd moved there already for as long as you are saying this sim is unplayable.  Or are you happy just posting on forums these days?

 

[RedKestrel]

3 minutes ago, sniperton said:

As an offliner I'd add that the AI too should be made prone to all these things. Different story, I know, but for offliners it'd be equally important.

Hopefully as work on the AI continues they can get things like this in-game. Such things are hard to program but really improves the feeling of fighting against a low-skilled opponent vs. a high skilled opponent. 

7 minutes ago, Stoopy said:

 

I would have thought you'd moved there already for as long as you are saying this sim is unplayable.  Or are you happy just posting on forums these days?

 

When your standards of 'playability' are high enough, you never have to worry about actually playing the game, which really is a big time-saver! Of course, posting on a video game forum with all that extra time is kind of like saving time on cooking by eating a microwave dinner while reading cooking blogs. 

[JG27_M-C]

1 hour ago, SCG_Wulfe said:

I'm trying to say this in the most gentle/non-offensive way as honestly no offense is intended. 

 

That said, I think a lot of people have no idea how much effort and practice and just plain gifted-ness it takes to have great SA. This is part of the skill/reward of flying a combat sim. 

I am by no means phenomenal in this area and I have worked hard to become just competent enough in it. But, I think it's worth recognizing that we aren't all born ace fighter pilots and as the devs have said a few times, many pilots would never see what hit them in real life. 

 

On my end, the visibility improvements are welcome as they should reduce the number of times you are tracking a contact and it appears to disappear before your eyes at close range. Also it should help with being able to quickly glance away from a contact you are tracking and then come back to tracking without losing it as often. I think some of these issues were at times, less than realistic. 

 

That said, I don't think it is, nor should it be a magic bullet to insufficient SA. I sometimes wonder if there are individuals who would not be satisfied unless they could spot contacts like they would if there were labels over every contact that are visible through your plane. 

 

I think people will remain baffled and surprised by the aces who will likewise gain from.... and simultaneously adapt to the new system. They will still maintain their seemingly invisible and deadly edge. 

 

 

 

In general I tend to avoid making judgements/assumptions about other people abilities, experience and/or thoughts. That's why I will often present my honest and direct view based on my gaming experience (with all the flaws it can possible have... off course.).

 

Flying on the deck, close to base, in tiny a 109, I am being bounced from contrails height... Actually have recorded data on one of those. Check out comments on here https://www.facebook.com/groups/168286500028142/permalink/1374400706083376=

 

Meanwhile...

 

When camping over friendly targets (that's mainly what "I am allowed to") I can only rely on flak and AAA to point out enemies. I will often drop from + - 3K to 500m towards the target area (or very close) and will continue to stay completely blind (something like 2 out of 3 times) regarding the attacker. After all of the "fireworks" I soon realize, 10 to 30 secs later, that I have 6 due to the fact of being hit or having red/yellow tracers all over me.

 

Damn! I am not just referring to loosing track due to poor visibility/invisible planes I am stating that I am unable so see (in absolute) aircraft in many situations. Although I'm new to this platform (less than 3 months) in perspective, I was a very old IL-2 and CloD flyer... luckily, never struggled on those with this issue.

 

To sum it up, it is MHO that my SA is highly compromised or even absent when struggling to keep an eye on a bogey/bandit or, specially, to just simply spot him in the first time. I am just unable to "proper" attack or defend from threats that I know they are there but that (in many situations) I am unable to just see and/or track in fairly reasonable terms/situations.

 

It becomes specially frustrating when you have your buddies on comms shouting and yelling about all the targets they started seeing more than 1min. ago.

 

~S~

 

 

Edited September 15, 2020 by JG27_M-C

[Soilworker]

1 hour ago, SCG_Wulfe said:

On my end, the visibility improvements are welcome as they should reduce the number of times you are tracking a contact and it appears to disappear before your eyes at close range. 

 

I don't think anyone is saying that they aren't welcome.