What kind of module would you like to see after BoN?

[=FI=Ardmore]

New Guinea or the Solomons would be the dogs dangly bits, would happily fly from Henderson field to Bouganville or Port Moresby to  Wewak in a full scale map. Probably a bit sad enjoying that, but did it in the old il2 and the amount of satisfaction I got from landing back after a mission was a bit obscene to behold (so she tells me). 

 

 

[Bremspropeller]

1 hour ago, =FI=Bluebell said:

New Guinea or the Solomons would be the dogs dangly bits, would happily fly from Henderson field to Bouganville or Port Moresby to  Wewak in a full scale map.

 

You'd better take a day off for the round-trip.

Zeros out of Rabaul would fly 8hr missions to Guadalcanal and back.

 

That would be a Large A$$ Map. I'd certainly like it.

[=FI=Ardmore]

I retire in a few years, so should just be about the time the Pacific module comes out?. Plenty of time then. 

[JG7_X-Man]

Anything that will bring the following:

Yak-3

La-7

il-10

Fw 190A-9

Fw 190D-13

Ta-152H-1

[ITAF_Rani]

Stunning beauty....hope to see it on IL2GB

 

 

[Deicide]

I really really really want Pacific campaign. So badly. Early or Late don't matter to me. The Pacific campaigns in 1946 are by far some of my favorites. I always try to pre-order but if Pacific was announced.. my wallet is already trying to hide because it knows I'll throw it at the monitor until i have the pacific campaigns haha

[Bremspropeller]

A friend works in a lab.

 

He's looking for New Guinea pigs.

[JG1_Wittmann]

That is a tough question to answer  as far as what to want next.  I would choose all of the above at some point.   However,  it definitely needs to be separated  as to whether it concerns  multi-player, or single player.   I would think that from a pure market standpoint,   a Pacific  campaign  might be the best draw for American,  B. Empire customers  but I think the reality is that it only really works well  for single player  where you can use time compression.  And even at X8  ( does that even work, don't seem to be faster than 4 )  You are still looking at some very considerable flight times  to get  anywhere.  

 

It all depends  on what resources that the devs have available.  It could very well be to continue to flesh out  what we already have,  Europe,  East and West front,  add some planes.  A pacific campaign would probably  be a good draw or new  customers.   You could do  a new  campaign  and roll up alot of the mentioned battles  into 1 pack  call it Lost  Battles  or something  although  Forgotten Battles would be the best,  1C already  used that for 46 though      FC has a bunch of AC  that can be added, FC2,  Tank Crew  has just barely scratched the surface of vehicles that could be made,  AA  trucks , Scout Cars,  Tank Destroyers,  SPG  Artillery,   there are many different vehicles in game that  could be  made playable.  I don't know how the marketing has gone, but  any  new tank, tank destroyer,  or scout car with a decent gun would be  bought by  those that enjoy TC.   WOuld love to see the puma,   some of   chaffee  for americans,  SU 85, 100  IS1 and 2, T34 85 for Russian,   Pzjgr 4, Hetzer, Stug,  Hummel,  Wespe,  Jagdpanther, Jagdtiger,   The AA trucks  coming  are going to be OK,  but,  I think it would be a bigger draw to get some multibarrel AA  Trucks in Game.   When they put the jp4 in,  they had a 4 barrel  aa gun  with it for german,   they mounted those on trucks.  Im sure the Russians  had  some multi barrel  AA guns as well,   Twin Bofors  or allies and others  would go over nicely.

[Gambit21]

1 minute ago, JG1_Wittmann said:

That is a tough question to answer  as far as what to want next.  I would choose all of the above at some point.   However,  it definitely needs to be separated  as to whether it concerns  multi-player, or single player.   I would think that from a pure market standpoint,   a Pacific  campaign  might be the best draw for American,  B. Empire customers  but I think the reality is that it only really works well  for single player  where you can use time compression.  And even at X8  ( does that even work, don't seem to be faster than 4 )  You are still looking at some very considerable flight times  to get  anywhere.  

 

 

Negative Ghostrider.

I can't tell you how many memorable Pacific multiplayer missions I few and created/hosted in the old sim.

There's a lot more to do and/or many workarounds other than flying real time from Rabaul to Henderson.

[Beebop]

6 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

A friend works in a lab.

 

He's looking for New Guinea pigs.

G R O A N !   ?

[Gambit21]

On 3/23/2021 at 7:02 AM, Bremspropeller said:

A friend works in a lab.

 

He's looking for New Guinea pigs.

 

Yeah, well my buddy is a doctor and he looks at The Slot all day.

[oFlyingDutchman]

Late for the party, but honestly i just want something diferent from German versus Russians. Don't get me wrong, i like flying the russian, a large arsenal of planes to choose from, it's just after all this years, i wan't a change of pace and not be fighting agaisnt the German versus USA,Britain and the Soviets, or USA, Britain and Soviets against Germans. A new front with two diferent nations going agaisnt each other for once would be nice, i just wan't to have a diferent choice instead of always seeing Germans lol . Pacific all the way

Edited March 31, 2021 by oFlyingDutchman

[Cybermat47]

On 3/24/2021 at 6:09 AM, JG1_Wittmann said:

That is a tough question to answer  as far as what to want next.  I would choose all of the above at some point.   However,  it definitely needs to be separated  as to whether it concerns  multi-player, or single player.   I would think that from a pure market standpoint,   a Pacific  campaign  might be the best draw for American,  B. Empire customers  but I think the reality is that it only really works well  for single player  where you can use time compression.  And even at X8  ( does that even work, don't seem to be faster than 4 )  You are still looking at some very considerable flight times  to get  anywhere.  

Or MP mission designers can just put aircraft carriers 10-30 minutes flying time away from enemy fleets/bases as a compromise between historical accuracy and gameplay, or even just set up air spawns.

[ITAF_Rani]

This..

 

 

[=IRFC=kotori87]

This list appears to be missing a few entries. Where are my check boxes for tank commander modules and Flying Circus modules? I like the sound of Pacific Theater as much as anyone else, but it's all one dev team, share the love!

[Beebop]

1 hour ago, kotori87 said:

Where are my check boxes for ... Flying Circus modules?

FC2 is coming.

As for TC, I think it's a great idea but wish it could have it's own development team.  Those who like Tank Crew would be appreciative as "their" team would be totally focused on that element while the air jockeys would feel less frustrated that time was spent on a game element they don't participate in and faster progress could be made on every part of the flight sim. 

But it is what it is.  I have a large "wish list" like everyone here but until I win a super large Megabucks Lottery and can fund a Ubisoft sized company just for the IL-2 franchise I'll have to deal the hand dealt me.

 

2 Kopecks.

[ITAF_Rani]

 

 

[Bumfluff]

I really reckon the best new market would be Korea. A new mig alley game effectively. The ww2 market is actually pretty busy now and others are doing some things a bit better.  Korea would be a bit of a rebrand and a foot in new markets. 
great aircraft too. All the super props and carriers. 

[Beebop]

2 hours ago, Bumfluff said:

The ww2 market is actually pretty busy now and others are doing some things a bit better.

?

Busy? Who?  World of Warplanes is arcade with a "sim element", Birds of Prey same, Other WWII titles have aviation elements, Desert Air War/Tobruk looks a little flat to me, CLoD is more limited that BoX in terms of theatre and the only real competition to BoX is IL-2 Sturmovik 1946, an over twenty year old game.

A few have near equal parts to them and even fewer actually do things better and NONE of them do it all as good as BoX does.  I spent over 20 years with 1946 but when I came here...I'm never going back full time. 

So I don't see this as a busy market and other games coming close to what we have right now.

If you really think differently, show me some games that you think are better in any or all aspects.  I am more than open to getting something better if better really exists.

 

Just sayin'.

 

[Bumfluff]

Dcs in 2.7 is something else ...

[Guest deleted@219798]

Spanish Civil War?

[Eisenfaustus]

5 minutes ago, kestrel444falcon505 said:

Spanish Civil War?

Earlier polls suggested that interest in the SCW were extremely low even on this forum full of military aviation history nerds. 
So I concluded it was so unmarketable it shouldn’t be included in this poll. 

[ww2fighter20]

Any option added now would end up in an disadvantage for the fact 509 people already voted.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Sorry, can't delete anything here and my spoiler didn't work the way it should either.

Moderators, feel free to delete this post.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Edited May 8, 2021 by FlyingShark

[DN308]

If we consider the fact that Pacific is undoable (on a dev’s point of view) and that we want the sim staying in the WWs themes, I would say Italy campaign.

If not, Africa could be nice but CLoD/Tobruk is already on and we don’t want a waste of money on two separate games on the same theater...

Same for BoB. The beginning of the war in Holland, Belgium and France could be nice. Devs already have a part of the maps and just have to connect two maps in one. Planes are quite already existing. Not really exciting, thought, but fun, exotically speaking in terms of planes.

 

maybe the war in the south East’s jungle. Planes are nice, it’s not the German vs the rest of the world, not ocean to cross  or carriers to design, just miles of jungle. It should be nice for a try

[BMA_FlyingShark]

4 minutes ago, DN308 said:

maybe the war in the south East’s jungle.

Yeah, Flying Tigers, Singapore,... .

I would like it.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[ITAF_Rani]

5 hours ago, DN308 said:

If we consider the fact that Pacific is undoable (on a dev’s point of view) and that we want the sim staying in the WWs themes, I would say Italy campaign

As Jason told recently in a post don' t think will never see this theatre..

If PTO will not be...remain late East.  

[DN308]

 

2 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said:

remain late East.  

Boring

Edited May 8, 2021 by DN308

[Gambit21]

3 hours ago, DN308 said:

 

Boring

 

There are 4 guys out here in the U.S. that would disagree - I'm not one of them, but they exist....or so I hear.

 

The next time I fly a WWII aircraft in BoX it will be PTO. If that never happens...then it will never happen.

They're going to have to figure it out, or move away from WWII sooner than later. Going to Korea only solves 1 release cycle.

Italy seems impractical, BoB and Africa are both CloD territory.

 

Something is going to have to give.

They can build 4 versions of the Zero (including the Rufe/float version) the Oscar, and all of the American iron.

Honestly, who is around to argue the EXACT roll rate of the Val or the Kate? Nobody, that's who. So build them to best knowledge, or skip them

and just do the Zeke's and the Oscar...but do it. Don't leave that money sitting on the table.

 

That's just my opinion...but I'm right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Beebop]

7 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Honestly, who is around to argue the EXACT roll rate of the Val or the Kate? Nobody, that's who.

 

?  Ah c'mon man.  You know somebody will complain.  They're probably going to claim they channel the spirit of Saburō Sakai so have al the right information.  ?

10 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

That's just my opinion...but I'm right.

I like your confidence!?

[DN308]

Late East is Berlin in my understanding.

PTO is a must, of course. But if someone can't or don't want to work on that, well, I would like an alternative.

[Eisenfaustus]

10 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

There are 4 guys out here in the U.S. that would disagree

Maybe - but the market is larger than the US

 

Although I have absolutely no clue how important the different regions are for the market as a whole. 
 

I am under the impression that Russians and other former soviet republics have a disproportionate high interest in military simulation - but I‘m not sure. 
 

I just know I would love to see an early war Western Europe pack (Fall of France) - but Jason already implied  that he doesn’t see such a thing as marketable. 
 

Apart from that I‘d also enjoy a more „gamy“ approach to the pacific (unrealistically short flight distances please) as well as the opportunity to continue my II./JG52 career beyond Kuban. 
 

10 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Honestly, who is around to argue the EXACT roll rate of the Val or the Kate? Nobody, that's who. So build them to best knowledge, or skip them

Hm - are you reading the same Forum I am?

But skipping them would leave two extremely important planes of the early pacific war out - I honestly wouldn’t like that. Telling educated guesses from valid data on the other hand wouldn’t be possible for me. But there would certainly be a loud minority complaining. 
 

I could imagine that one of the problems with this is:

when you have the data and build your FMs you can be relaxed with the complaints - you know you‘ve done your homework and problems will be minor...

If you build cockpits and FMs on educated guesses though you have to carefully scan the complaints because chances are high that someone who didn’t bother to share beforehand suddenly presents actually relevant information. And then you have the choice of either rebuilding the cockpit of an already sold aircraft for free or have people spread the word you don’t care for accuracy...

So I do understand why Jason is so pedantic about accuracy. 

10 hours ago, DN308 said:

 

Late East is Berlin in my understanding.

 

Not necessarily - could also more to the south - Hungary/Austria for example 

[Gambit21]

9 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said:

Maybe - but the market is larger than the US

 

Of course it is.

 

9 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said:

 

Hm - are you reading the same Forum I am?

 

Absolutely - is there a retired Val pilot lurking that I’ve missed?

 

 

9 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said:

But skipping them would leave two extremely important planes of the early pacific war out - I honestly wouldn’t like that.

 

That’s one of the reasons why I say “something has to give”

 

9 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said:

Telling educated guesses from valid da

ta on the other hand wouldn’t be possible for me. But there would certainly be a loud minority complaining. 
 

 

Welcome to every day.

 

9 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said:

I could imagine that one of the problems with this is:

when you have the data and build your FMs you can be relaxed with the complaints - you know you‘ve done your homework and problems will be minor...

If you build cockpits and FMs on educated guesses though you have to carefully scan the complaints because chances are high that someone who didn’t bother to share beforehand suddenly presents actually relevant information. And then you have the choice of either rebuilding the cockpit of an already sold aircraft for free or have people spread the word you don’t care for accuracy...

So I do understand why Jason is so pedantic about accuracy. 

Not necessarily - could also more to the south - Hungary/Austria for example 

 

Which is a good argument for building the Zeros and the Oscar, and the American aircraft. No not exactly the same model...which is yet another reason for “something has to give”

 

 

[Props]

Ahh, the Pacific! I want my PTO;-). I have even been bringing it up over on the DCS forums (which I did feel a little guilty about as IL-2 is my preferred sim for WW2) and ran into the same tired arguments about difficulty obtaining documentation and real world data for Japanese planes. Also that the devs wouldn't want to do a plane if it isn't "perfect". While obtaining data is hard there is plenty of it out there. I also think it is kind of silly to build a WW2 Marianas map if you have NO Japanese aircraft available! So DCS does not seem to be addressing the Pacific in a serious manner. Maybe IL2 Great Battles should. If one continually uses the excuse "It has to be perfect!" for not starting a project well then nothing ever gets started. But the world is full of imperfections, it is "perfectly" normal. 

 

I'm sorry, but no flight sim is ever going to be perfect! At least not for the foreseeable future. It is unrealistic to expect perfection and I for one am not going to fault the flight sim world of developers for trying, but you can only do the best you can with what you have to work with. And I know these guys can come pretty damn close to achieving a real world accuracy for the Japanese aircraft with what data is available. Let's face it Guadalcanal was 79 years ago and there's no one left alive to impart their first hand knowledge to the devs at this point, and even those pilots had sometimes flawed recollections of plane performance, not to mention that on any given day the AC they flew was not necessarily running at peak (perfect) condition! All the devs can do at this point in history is what they always do - the best qualitative work they can with the tools at their disposal. 

 

So why not tackle the Pacific? I trust them to do an excellent job for the community.

 

If not Sicily and Italy are still my second choice, but........

[BMA_FlyingShark]

7 minutes ago, Props said:

Ahh, the Pacific! I want my PTO;-). I have even been bringing it up over on the DCS forums (which I did feel a little guilty about as IL-2 is my preferred sim for WW2) and ran into the same tired arguments about difficulty obtaining documentation and real world data for Japanese planes. Also that the devs wouldn't want to do a plane if it isn't "perfect". While obtaining data is hard there is plenty of it out there. I also think it is kind of silly to build a WW2 Marianas map if you have NO Japanese aircraft available! So DCS does not seem to be addressing the Pacific in a serious manner. Maybe IL2 Great Battles should. If one continually uses the excuse "It has to be perfect!" for not starting a project well then nothing ever gets started. But the world is full of imperfections, it is "perfectly" normal. 

 

I'm sorry, but no flight sim is ever going to be perfect! At least not for the foreseeable future. It is unrealistic to expect perfection and I for one am not going to fault the flight sim world of developers for trying, but you can only do the best you can with what you have to work with. And I know these guys can come pretty damn close to achieving a real world accuracy for the Japanese aircraft with what data is available. Let's face it Guadalcanal was 79 years ago and there's no one left alive to impart their first hand knowledge to the devs at this point, and even those pilots had sometimes flawed recollections of plane performance, not to mention that on any given day the AC they flew was not necessarily running at peak (perfect) condition! All the devs can do at this point in history is what they always do - the best qualitative work they can with the tools at their disposal. 

 

So why not tackle the Pacific? I trust them to do an excellent job for the community.

 

If not Sicily and Italy are still my second choice, but........

I agree with everything you typed here.

I couldn't have said it better.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Beebop]

1 hour ago, Props said:

Let's face it Guadalcanal was 79 years ago and there's no one left alive to impart their first hand knowledge to the devs at this point, and even those pilots had sometimes flawed recollections of plane performance, not to mention that on any given day the AC they flew was not necessarily running at peak (perfect) condition!

I wouldn't know from Adam how close to reality any given FM/DM is.  All I want is something that doesn't fly like an F-22.  For that I can go to DCS.

As long as the cockpits look like the myriads of pictures I've seen that's fine with me.  Besides I don't read Japanese so as far as I know the gauge description could have been taken from a sushi menu.  Give me a Zero that has 20mm cannon in the wing, can out turn just about everybody and ignites like a Ronson when hit.  (then give me a Corsair to do it in).

And a carrier.

 

But despite us wanting it so bad, it probably ain't happenin' here.  ?

[Enceladus828]

I agree with everyone here about a return to the Eastern Front and Pacific.

 

Eastern Front: A late war Eastern Front could give us the La-7, Yak-3, IL-10, and other late war Russian planes. In regards to early-mid war Eastern Front, we're missing a lot of planes, particularly bombers. Doing Operation Barbarossa (combined with 1943) and/or Finland could give us the Ju-87B-2, IL-4, early Yak-1, I-153, SB-2, Tu-2S, MC.200, I-15, Hs-123... if they want to do a heavy bomber they could do the TB-3. Doing Finland can give us planes that were also used in the Battle of Britain, so therefore, one can produce a much more accurate version of the battle in this game.

 

Pacific: IMO, if the devs can do a great amount of educated guess work and produce FMs for Japanese planes that is very close to reality and not arcade like such as War Thunder and IL-2 1946, then they have my money. Also, if they can produce a vast amount of ships per each side that were present at each battle and does not have the King George V BB as a placeholder for American and Japanese BB's like in PF/IL-2 1946, then they have my money regardless. As Beebop stated, if someone from Japan, or someone who is fluent in Japanese is going to argue that the instrument gauge description is inaccurate, then perhaps they should help the devs with that.

 

Edited May 9, 2021 by Enceladus

[Eisenfaustus]

1 hour ago, Beebop said:

I wouldn't know from Adam how close to reality any given FM/DM is.  All I want is something that doesn't fly like an F-22.  For that I can go to DCS.

As long as the cockpits look like the myriads of pictures I've seen that's fine with me.  Besides I don't read Japanese so as far as I know the gauge description could have been taken from a sushi menu.  Give me a Zero that has 20mm cannon in the wing, can out turn just about everybody and ignites like a Ronson when hit.  (then give me a Corsair to do it in).

And a carrier.

 

But despite us wanting it so bad, it probably ain't happenin' here.  ?

If that was what you really wanted - warthunder already has exactly this. 
 

Not intended to sneer - but what you demand is exactly what wt offers. If you don’t like WT than you probably want more than you stated.
 

For the record - I played wt a lot before I moved on to BoX and used to have a lot of fun. 

[Redwo1f]

They can't do the Pacific - no way with current engine as is.  The engine would need a massive massive overhaul, or more likely an entirely new one.

 

Just go run Rhineland Benchmark mission and have a look at the time dilation. Indeed, they are probably struggling right now with the ships for Normandy (or will be). I don't think there is any way they will be able to work in all the naval required for Pacific (unless they focus on more land based perhaps (eg. New Guinea for example). Throw in the issues that they have expressed regarding info on FM's and lack of data, and it is going to be a no-go for quite a long time, I am afraid.

[Beebop]

38 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said:

Not intended to sneer...

But here we are...

38 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said:

...what you demand...

I demanded nothing!  I just stated that being as I have not even 2nd hand knowledge of FM/DM nor how to program same, as long as it behaves in a consistent manner with other WWI planes of the era I would be satisfied.  That wasn't intended to mean that's how it should be. 

I understand the Dev's want to give us more than that.  That's fine with me.

As for Warthunder, if I wanted that kind of arcade drivel, with floating aiming assists, a hitbox the size of a Zeppelin, guns that can knock out a plane at over a click and a half while wobbling wildly in an icon intense sky I'd be flying it, not flying this more demanding, and thusly more satisfying, simulation.

Edited May 9, 2021 by Beebop