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Hi developers

Finally, a decent FFB joystick is available at a very affordable price from BRUNNER - Switzerland, which manufactures a base on which a TM or VIRPIL handle can be mounted. But as is customary with IL2, Sturmovik IL2 is not compatible because it does not provide API data. The same problem is with motion telemetry, which is, but is not complex at the same level as other flight simulators. Most virtual pilots do not want to fly on the bus, but want to make full use of your simulator of beautiful historical aircraft and missions that have their unreal charm.
Friends, it's high time to do something about it. Because when I, out of desperation that I can't use the full possibilities of flight simulation, I think that I will install a hated "bus" so that I can experience the quality, so it's really serious.

Thank You

 

Tech list Brunner:

DESCRIPTION

THE ACTIVE FORCE FEEDBACK JOYSTICK YOU WERE WAITING FOR!

The BRUNNER CLS-E Active Force Feedback Joystick meets the highest demands of Enthusiast flight simulation. As the newest member of our Control Loading System portfolio of leading drop-in devices, the CLS-E Joystick integrates perfectly into many Flight Simulation environments.

Beside Aircraft Solutions, the BRUNNER CLS-E Joystick finds perfect application for military ground vehicles or any other application where a modern stick solution is used for system control.

The BRUNNER CLS-E Joystick provides excellent quality, highest fidelity and unique durability at an unmatched price-performance level.

The high dynamic brushless DC motor and BRUNNERs  Active Control Loading Technology reacts with realistic movements to even finest inputs and offers an excellent  artificial feeling!

The BRUNNER CLS-E Joystick offers different Grip options. Beside a Plug&Play TM HOTAS and VPC Mongoos T-50 grip interface, it is available with an A320 grip or without a grip. Grips are always optional and the unit is shipped without a grip.

Enabled by our unique CLS2Sim software-environment, the CLS-E Joystick communicates easily with commercially available flight simulation software such as X-Plane, M-FSX and Prepar3D®.

FEATURES

  • BRUNNER Drop-In: fully integrated, with built-in control unit and 36VDC power inlet (ext. power supply included)
  • Long life brushless DC technology
  • Contactless high-resolution position feedback
  • Simulated effects: autopilot, trim and turbulence simulation
  • Pre-Configured dynamic profiles available (e.g. A320)
  • Compatible with optional TM HOTAS, VPC Mongoos T-50 or BRUNNER grips
  • Plug & Play (USB or CAN)
  • Reliable, smooth, backlash and maintenance free design
  • No fan, very quiet, high efficient
  • Direct support for X-Plane, FSX, FSX Steam edition, Prepare-3D with BRUNNER CLS2SIM SW, X-Plane Plugin for Windows, Linux
  • Swiss Made
  • 2 Years warranty

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Mitthrawnuruodo
12 minutes ago, Helo said:

Finally

The Brunner stick has been available for years.

 

16 minutes ago, Helo said:

a very affordable price

Are you joking? I wouldn't call €1.249,00 "very affordable" for a typical PC gamer.

 

17 minutes ago, Helo said:

But as is customary with IL2, Sturmovik IL2 is not compatible because it does not provide API data.

Great Battles already supports DX force feedback. It's up to hardware manufacturers or other third parties to use it.

 

25 minutes ago, Helo said:

The same problem is with motion telemetry, which is, but is not complex at the same level as other flight simulators.

What more do you want?

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2 minutes ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

The Brunner stick has been available for years.

 

Are you joking? I wouldn't call €1.249,00 "very affordable" for a typical PC gamer.

 

Great Battles already supports DX force feedback. It's up to hardware manufacturers or other third parties to use it.

 

What more do you want?

- not with the fact that you can choose the handle yourself, so it's cheaper than the original price

-1249.- € is a lot for a quality FFB joystick? so fly with analog logitech, each a personal thing

- does not support all telemetry data such as DCS or X plane, etc. far from, you don't know what you're talking about

- What I want? It has been 21 years since I love IL2, it prevents me from encountering incompatibility or to the state that the developers do not provide all the data as in other simulators. I always have to make compromises. And I'd rather not even write about touch control anymore.

 

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Mitthrawnuruodo
7 minutes ago, Helo said:

- not with the fact that you can choose the handle yourself, so it's cheaper than the original price

It was sold without a grip since it was launched in 2017 for €1.199 .

 

9 minutes ago, Helo said:

-1249.- € is a lot for a quality FFB joystick? so fly with analog logitech, each a personal thing

I agree that it's not a lot for a quality FFB joystick, but I wouldn't say that it's generally very affordable.

 

12 minutes ago, Helo said:

- does not support all telemetry data such as DCS or X plane, etc. far from, you don't know what you're talking about

I see; I assumed you were speaking strictly about motion platforms. The other simulators indeed output many more aircraft parameters.

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5 minutes ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

It was sold without a grip since it was launched in 2017 for €1.199 .

 

I agree that it's not a lot for a quality FFB joystick, but I wouldn't say that it's generally very affordable.

 

I see; I assumed you were speaking strictly about motion platforms. The other simulators indeed output many more aircraft parameters.

- This only testifies to how the economy is developing positively for us: D inflation is not growing at all: D

- It's not a lot to take, how many people change graphics cards almost every year, while the increase in performance is about 20-40% and the price is around 1100.- € and the joystick will last you 10 years so far they fly on Microsoft SideWinder and it is as old as I, if not older: D

- for example the connection shown on 99% of simulators, do you see IL2 there?

  • Allows easy integration and configuration for a multitude of simulation packages and platforms, e.g. for General Aviation: X-Plane 11 or Prepar3D with FS-FlightControl IOS
  • Connects easily to VBS 3/VBS-IG, DCS World, Condor II VR and others

I didn't, I only saw it once on the Polish site, but the price for 6DOF 28000.- € it's not a joke but a tragedy

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On 9/15/2020 at 5:24 PM, E69_Qpassa_VR said:

Veľmi cenovo dostupné, kúpil som si G940 pack (FFB Joystick, pedále a plyn) za € 320, teraz to je cenovo dostupné

Everyone jumps according to the amount of their bank account. I'm not rich enough to buy cheap things

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9 hours ago, Helo said:

Everyone jumps according to the amount of their bank account. I'm not rich enough to buy cheap things

I can afford to buy this many many times and it does not matter about this, don't make it personal.

 

Thing is €1000 is not affordable for the average user, it's over enthusiast level.

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7 hours ago, E69_Qpassa_VR said:

I can afford to buy this many many times and it does not matter about this, don't make it personal.

 

Thing is €1000 is not affordable for the average user, it's over enthusiast level.

For example, the new GPU  in PC enthusiasts change after about 2-3 years about 1000.- €, VR goggles too. To get rid of the old ones always sell it with at least a 50% loss. But high quality - almost professional FFB base will last you min.10 years and you still have the opportunity to change the grip for a newer type. This is an investment in the future, not many manufacturers in this segment. They have been flying the old FFBs for about 20 years now because they have nothing to replace them. So giving more than 1000.- € for a thing that will serve you for 10 years is not much, it would just take a little more effort on the part of the creators of the games, so that there are already standard output data that will support it. The same goes for the motion sim. Every "stupid" racing sim usually has it, only with IL2 there is still a problem. When the enthusiast who wrote the plugin dies, everyone else who built a motion sim can just look at his sim. What is praised about how realistic the planes are, when they do not provide professional data for the motion sim so that the enthusiast can really enjoy it, is half the work. And fly "bus" in X plane and so on. is about nothing, just flying around and looking forward to landing in Tokyo ?: D

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Dear Pilots :)

 

We only have 3 choices for FFB which is ridiculous compared to the racing sims who have the choice between cog wheels, belt driven or direct drive...Cheap pedal to super fancy hydraulic ones, cheap shifter to super fancy fully analog gear box input who get translated into digital inputs, Fanatec being the leading company but with many other manufacturers aka competitors on the market.

If your wallet is burning you can always go for a  Leo Bodnar setup ( at this point I would invest in a real car and go race lol!  

We flight simmers have the choice between a 20 years + old Sidewinder FFB2, The glitchy , grip peeling logitech G940 who does not get any younger or a 1200 euros Brunner FFB base without API for IL2... :dash:

There must be some hidden talents among us who could come up with a solution at an affordable price. By affordable I mean accessible to most simmers.

Could I purchase a brunner unit ? Yes, but I rather like to give my money to someone in the community who comes up with an alternative.

for now I just doubled the FFb on my SW FFB2.:pilot:

IL2 has FFB, it is not always on point, but for the most part it is pretty damn good !! I wish we would have FFB stick units and maybe one of these days FFB pedals ! 

I fly helis and FW in the real world and there is FFB guys :salute: 

Even in the FBW setups there include FFB for the pilots.

 

Let's hope that one of us can put something together !

 

Happy hunting to all :hunter::biggrin:👍

 

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NO.20_W_M_Thomson
On 11/11/2020 at 10:12 AM, SkychaserGT said:

I just doubled the FFb on my SW FFB2.

How did you do that?

 

On 11/11/2020 at 10:12 AM, SkychaserGT said:

maybe one of these days FFB pedals !

not sure if that is posable, 

 

On 11/11/2020 at 10:12 AM, SkychaserGT said:

Let's hope that one of us can put something together !

I've been wanting to do this for a while, It's more the software part that has held me back. Once I design and build a stick I'll ask for help.

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Dear pilots,

 

Here are a couple links to do the mod for the FFB2 but put simply,  just solder the same resistors on top of the existing ones which will double the current input ( aka FFB) and will not damage the components.

 

http://www.simprojects.nl/ms_siderwinder_ff2_hack.htm

 

 

 

or  this other link :

 

 

You can equally use the inner components and make a FFB yoke. the same rules apply just requires a little ingenuity to construct the yoke assembly.

 

 

 

FFB rudder pedals not posable ? You mean possible ?

Force feedback rudder pedals exist for a  while already as well as a new FFB Base and a new FFB yoke from Brunner. 

There are 2 set of rudder pedals to choose from and a set of anti torque pedals as well.

The only problem is that the CLS ffb unit cost around $1500,  a FFB yoke : $2000 , FFB rudder pedals unit : Around $2000 as well. Motion 6DOF around 10 K.

The FFb stick unit does not come with a grip but will accept Virpil or Thrustmaster grips, no VKB as VKB have their own ecosystem. It is affordable it some ways but might still be out of reach for most.

Oh yes, for those who are ready to open their wallets, a little note. Brunner is compatible with just about everything including DCS but not IL2. No API for IL2... :russian_ru: So.. No joy there.. In Spaniglish No compiblo , no forcefeedbacko with IL2,

no Force feedbacko Crying Emoticons...:sorry:

So for those of us who mostly fly MS FS, PD3, approved FS, It is a small step for men and a giant leap for mankind !

Provided your wallet can match your dreams.

We are hopeful that a IL2 compatibility may arise at some point in time.

For now IL2 pilots are still stuck with Sidewinders FFB's , performing heart surgeries on MSSW FFb2,

G940's and...well... that's it .. As far as I know...:dash::help:

I spoke to a couple of people about making FFB bases but they are busy with other projects.

 

Anyway gents I hope this helps .

 

Happy hunting ! may the Force Feedback be with you ! :hunter:

 

Skychaser out :salute:

 

 

 

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