4.009, game will not start

[1.JaVA_KEBEN]

Sh.t ..and now ?

[Missionbug]

Same here, would not start:

 

 

 

 

 

Deleted update folder and now downloading game client again, another long wait.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

Edited August 17, 2020 by Missionbug

[CanadaOne]

I'm getting an endless stream of Error 10001, Error 10016, and Error 10032 after the update. Can't load anything in the QMB.

 

Does this require a re-install?

[jlan5031jlan5031]

Updated through Steam. Game won't start. I keep getting a message stating Windows couldn't find the .exe. Uninstalled and reinstalled and still the same error. Tried to get help from Steam, but as usual I couldn't understand what they were doing. I tried Windows; they stated there was some problem they were working on. As usual, I couldn't get any farther than that. What my computer shows seems to have the same issue, but I don't have the error list. My game's bin doesn't even have an .exe file. Any ideas? Are we the only two?

Edited August 17, 2020 by jlan5031jlan5031
omission

[Semor76]

1 hour ago, jlan5031jlan5031 said:

Updated through Steam. Game won't start. I keep getting a message stating Windows couldn't find the .exe. Uninstalled and reinstalled and still the same error. Tried to get help from Steam, but as usual I couldn't understand what they were doing. I tried Windows; they stated there was some problem they were working on. As usual, I couldn't get any farther than that. What my computer shows seems to have the same issue, but I don't have the error list. My game's bin doesn't even have an .exe file. Any ideas? Are we the only two?

 Why in god´s name did you ask the Windows support or Steam for help??  They can't even help themselves.

 

Missing .exe sound more like your anti virus program has detected the updated Il-2 as an positive allert. Did you run any anti virus stuff in the background? If so, deactivate it and reinstall the game. See if this works.

Edited August 18, 2020 by Semor76

[jlan5031jlan5031]

My problem SOLVED

Semor76

Thanks for your response. An anti virus program, Malwarebytes, kept grabbing the Il-2.exe file and quarantined it.  I figured out, as you suggested, that I had to restore and allow. That solved the problem.

Thanks again

jlan5031

[Beebop]

This morning I fired up IL-2 and it began updating.  A short time later it completed but when I clicked Play my MalwareBytes said there was something malicious.  My only option given was to remove it.    I was leery that it might remove or permanently block some feature of IL-2 so I disabled MalwareBytes   I thought it might just be a false positive as this had never happened before after updating or starting the game.  I re-clicked Play and got this message:

 

 

Dismissing the message caused the Launcher to close.  Also, the usual info about version and links to the site were not present

 

So I re-downloaded the Launcher, which I had done before, to reinstall/refresh the game.  I ran the exe and quickly it was done.  But...the Launcher.exe in "bin > game" had the same date as the last one.  Running the Launcher gave me the same message as above.  Also there was now no il2.exe in the 'game' folder.

 

I sent a Support ticket but knowing it might take a while I decided that since the game wasn't starting I would just delete and reinstall the complete game.  I backed up my 'data' folder, deleted the game and this time when I ran the downloaded launcher it began installing the game.

 

IT ONLY TOOK 5 1/2 HOURS to install!!! 

So when I ran the game I got this message:

 

 

From this screen I could not shut the game down as I got this message whether clicking the green 'Enter' or the grey 'Offline'.  I had to use the Task Manager to close the game

 

So at this point I have a game and I don't.

Has this happened to anyone else?  If so was it fixable and how?

I don't want to spend another 5 1/2 hours reinstalling the game!

 

And no, I have no reported virus/malware infections and every other game and application starts normally.

 

 

Edited August 18, 2020 by Beebop

[RedKestrel]

1 hour ago, Beebop said:

This morning I fired up IL-2 and it began updating.  A short time later it completed but when I clicked Play my MalwareBytes said there was something malicious.  My only option given was to remove it.    I was leery that it might remove or permanently block some feature of IL-2 so I disabled MalwareBytes   I thought it might just be a false positive as this had never happened before after updating or starting the game.  I re-clicked Play and got this message:

 

 

Dismissing the message caused the Launcher to close.  Also, the usual info about version and links to the site were not present

 

So I re-downloaded the Launcher, which I had done before, to reinstall/refresh the game.  I ran the exe and quickly it was done.  But...the Launcher.exe in "bin > game" had the same date as the last one.  Running the Launcher gave me the same message as above.  Also there was now no il2.exe in the 'game' folder.

 

I sent a Support ticket but knowing it might take a while I decided that since the game wasn't starting I would just delete and reinstall the complete game.  I backed up my 'data' folder, deleted the game and this time when I ran the downloaded launcher it began installing the game.

 

IT ONLY TOOK 5 1/2 HOURS to install!!! 

So when I ran the game I got this message:

 

 

From this screen I could not shut the game down as I got this message whether clicking the green 'Enter' or the grey 'Offline'.  I had to use the Task Manager to close the game

 

So at this point I have a game and I don't.

Has this happened to anyone else?  If so was it fixable and how?

I don't want to spend another 5 1/2 hours reinstalling the game!

 

And no, I have no reported virus/malware infections and every other game and application starts normally.

 

 

Just spitballing here, can you turn off malwarebytes and try running the game? Maybe malwarebytes is still blocking the file since it removed an identical one before?

[Beebop]

I went further than that, I uninstalled MalwareBytes.

It seemed to be for the longest time, an excellent protection program.  But when it displayed the message after the initial download, that there was a suspected malicious program and left me with the only option of removing it, I came to the conclusion I did not want a program that assumed I was too stupid to decide for myself what to do with my computer.  No AV/Malware has a 100% accuracy for detecting only bad actors, all have an error rate on false positives.  To me a good program realizes that and gives the owner the option of how to handle the warning.  Now if I make the wrong decision, it's on me.   And if I trust the program and always do what it recommends then on occasion I might expect a program/application to stop working.  Google is my friend.  I have had other reports about a bad actor and I would check and see if it was fact or fiction or somewhere in between.  Then I could make an informed decision.

But if a program does not allow me that option then I won't continue to use it.

Prior to installing MalwareBytes I had relied on the Windows Defender program that comes with Window 10.  And while I usually hold just about anything Micro$oft suspect, continued reviews state that it really does do a pretty good job on it's own.  And since I (reluctantly) got Windows 10 I have been very satisfied with it's performance.

I am open to another AV/Malware Program to use in conjunction with or in place of Defender as I know that there are probably just as good or better programs to protect my computer..

 

Meanwhile I await a response from Support and dream of a day when I can fly the virtual skies of IL-2 again.

[ACG_Bobo]

Same problem here.  I restored the file (il2.exe) from quarantine and it works ok now.

Malwarebytes said file was infected with     Malware.Heuristic.106

[unreasonable]

Thanks for the warning - I updated my steam install, then put Il2.exe on the allowed list in Malwarebytes before running game.  Loads normally, no issues so far.

 

 

[Beebop]

So why didn't it "quarantine" it before now?  I've had MalwareBytes installed for several updates now.

The new game I downloaded, which took 5 1/2 hours to install, gets the above message.

Guess while I sleep I'll re-download it again.

?

I re-downloaded the Launcher thinking that if it wants me to "Restore original packed data files" I would.

So after a rather quick install I ran the launcher and this was the screen I got.  note there is no version number or links to the website:

 

 

And after I put in my email and PW I get the #10027 error message.

Here goes another delete and re-install. F***, I'm getting frustrated with this.  I hope that by tomorrow morning this will be solved or it's beginning to look like my IL-2 days are over.

 

Edited August 18, 2020 by Beebop

[Missionbug]

Hello guys, I deleted the update folder last night and the game checked the files and replaced some, however, fired things up again and same issue.

 

I am going for a complete new install, been downloading since midnight and only 6Gb so far, always so slow any updates for me.

 

From what you guys have reported Malwarebytes could be the same problem for me, normally it mentions IL-2 but leaves it alone, however, last night seems to be as for you guys, looks like it blocked things, how annoying especially when no one from the team has responded to this thread yet.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

Edited August 18, 2020 by Missionbug

[Beebop]

F I N A L L Y!

The third time was the charm.  I now have a working version of 4.009.

I put in parts of my saved folders, "input" and the custom skins I had in "graphics".

I also put my 'MODS' folder back in and reinstalled a JSGME. Initially the JSGME somehow "remembered" what I had enabled but none of them showed in game so I disabled the lot and re-enabled a mod at a time.   Most seem to work but some, like my 'Longer smoke trails" doesn't seem to work but them again maybe I just need to be a better shot eh?  LOL.

 

Three tries to get a successful update.  Sheesh!  what amazes me is the first re-try took 5 1/2 hours to install a nackered version and the second re-install changed nothing.  I have no idea why this last version worked.  And all because THIS time MalwareBytes decided to act.  I didn't see anything about putting it in quarantine, only that it would remove it which sounded to me like it was deleting the file.  A little more clarity would have been useful and I might have salvaged this whole mess earlier. 

But clarity is one thing is very short supply in this world these days.

 

As for Dev response, I'd bet they are just thinking "something must be wrong with his machine", except for the fact that only IL-2 was affected.  (if I had said my VR wasn't working....???)

I've noticed that with every update someone seems to have some kind of issue beyond a change in visual presentation (i.e. MSAA vs. FXAA).

 

Anyway, still need to do some fine tuning.  Not sure what the 4.009 might have actually changed, if anything.

I hope no one else has to go through this mini-hell I just went through.

[Missionbug]

Glad you are up and running Beebop, so am I now thankfully, looks like it was Malwarbytes that was the issue, first time I ever had a update go screwy on me.

 

I added the Il2.exe to the ignore list and removed IL-2 from quarantine and the game loaded at last, I then I turned off the PC and loaded up again and all okay so far.

 

The JSGME is always deactivated before any update and once I am sure the game fires up I reactivate the stuff in there, I still need to do that to check everything.

 

Why would Malwarebytes consider IL-2 a threat of any sort, it is a established game/simulation used by many, strange indeed.

 

The new download is on hold, not sure whether I should carry on with that or leave my established install as is now that it seems to work again, anyway, thank you very much for the helpful suggestions guys, really appreciated.

 

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Aurora_Stealth]

Good to hear some people's issues are getting resolved - seems many people have had related issues with malwarebytes, I similarly had to spend some time yesterday ensuring that it wouldn't interfere with the IL-2 folder or quarantine any of the specific applications .exes (both startup.exe and IL2.exe).

 

Also one quick finding.. if you're using anti-virus software (I'm currently using Norton Internet Security which seems to pickup a hair being raised) you will also find that "suspicious activity" has been going on after you exit IL2 and that it will also flag up malwarebytes itself because it see's high traffic and is trying to monitor IL2.

 

It may be worth excluding both the Malwarebytes and IL-2 folder and the .exe's from your anti-virus scanning/firewall and keep a backup of your Inputs folder so you don't lose the controls! anyway all the best folks enjoy the update.

Edited August 18, 2020 by Aurora_Stealth

[RedKestrel]

 

3 hours ago, Beebop said:

F I N A L L Y!

The third time was the charm.  I now have a working version of 4.009.

I put in parts of my saved folders, "input" and the custom skins I had in "graphics".

I also put my 'MODS' folder back in and reinstalled a JSGME. Initially the JSGME somehow "remembered" what I had enabled but none of them showed in game so I disabled the lot and re-enabled a mod at a time.   Most seem to work but some, like my 'Longer smoke trails" doesn't seem to work but them again maybe I just need to be a better shot eh?  LOL.

 

Three tries to get a successful update.  Sheesh!  what amazes me is the first re-try took 5 1/2 hours to install a nackered version and the second re-install changed nothing.  I have no idea why this last version worked.  And all because THIS time MalwareBytes decided to act.  I didn't see anything about putting it in quarantine, only that it would remove it which sounded to me like it was deleting the file.  A little more clarity would have been useful and I might have salvaged this whole mess earlier. 

But clarity is one thing is very short supply in this world these days.

 

As for Dev response, I'd bet they are just thinking "something must be wrong with his machine", except for the fact that only IL-2 was affected.  (if I had said my VR wasn't working....???)

I've noticed that with every update someone seems to have some kind of issue beyond a change in visual presentation (i.e. MSAA vs. FXAA).

 

Anyway, still need to do some fine tuning.  Not sure what the 4.009 might have actually changed, if anything.

I hope no one else has to go through this mini-hell I just went through.

 

Glad you got it working. Sorry you had to go through all that. I haven't even had time to update to the newest patch yet so hopefully mine goes smoother lol.

I used to use Malwarebytes but discarded it years ago after I had similar things happen with other software - blocking critical files out of nowhere for no reason, after an update or a restart. This is frustrating when its a game, its a bit panic-inducing when its work-critical software. Kaspersky AV did this to me too. I basically only use the default windows AV now just because all the other ones seem to be bloatware, constantly advertise to me, or are overzealous in quarantining my programs. 

You can check the patch notes for 4.009 to see what it did, most of its changes are Tank Crew, new female pilot models, an improved map, and 4K textures for the P-40, as well as some fixes and improvements to AI. Not much in there for me personally but maybe next patch will have the Hurricane.
 

[Beebop]

4 hours ago, Missionbug said:

The JSGME is always deactivated before any update

An excellent idea but I usually find out there's an update by starting the game.  I use the Launcher and once the updating process starts, which is automatic, there's no stopping it.  I think there should be some kind of warning and a way to abort the update so that you can turn off MDOS (something the Dev could give a sh*t about as it's only through their kindness we can us them at all), and also so, as they recommend, turn off AV/malware blocking programs.  I guess I'm expected to go to the website everytime before starting my game and dig through a couple of dozen posts to see if an update will happen when I start the game. 

 

4 hours ago, Missionbug said:

The new download is on hold, not sure whether I should carry on with that or leave my established install

I don't think you can even run the game Offline without updating it.  I have tried that and had to install the update, enable it using the green 'Enter' box before being able to fly Offline.

 

53 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

I basically only use the default windows AV now just because all the other ones seem to be bloatware, constantly advertise to me, or are overzealous in quarantining my programs.

Me too.  amazingly (for M$) windows Defender has done an excellent job protecting me.  And I like not having all the added crap, ads, "do you want to install yet another browser helper that will redirect you to places you don't need to go?" and having to add all kinds of exceptions just to start common apps and programs.

 

57 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

You can check the patch notes for 4.009 to see what it did

Yes but there always seem to be some little thing they didn't mention or the phrase I hate "other changes" which aren't specified but sometimes affect how the game handles certain tasks often requiring you to make changes to you settings or keybinds you weren't expecting to make.

 

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments.  ?

[RedKestrel]

Just now, Beebop said:

 

Yes but there always seem to be some little thing they didn't mention or the phrase I hate "other changes" which aren't specified but sometimes affect how the game handles certain tasks often requiring you to make changes to you settings or keybinds you weren't expecting to make.

 

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments.  ?

I'm not really a 'power user', usually the patch notes tell me everything I need to know. Since you do mission building and skins and have mods I imagine there are many more things that you notice that I don't when a new patch drops. 

[Beebop]

I don't consider myself a 'Power User' but yes, I like to keep as informed as possible about the game I am plying so that I can get the most out of it.

I got a response from Support this morning (after I "fixed" the game) that suggested turning off protection programs and following Micro$oft guidelines.  great. I sent them the pictures I posted here about the messages.  I'm the type of guy that wants to know why it happened so I can avoid making the same mistake twice.  Just deleting and reinstalling the game doesn't tell me anything.

In 1946 you sometimes got this error message "Mesh3do/humans/Paratroopers/Russia/mono.sim not created".  the fix was an easy to do edit in the conf.ini file regarding using texture compression, a user feature of the game.  Imagine the frustration if your only way to fix it was to re-download the game and all those mods?  Plus knowing why it happened allowed me to help others. 

I know there's a lot on the Dev's plate but the Support team should be more helpful IMO that just say "reload the game".  A simple 'you are getting this message because...' informational reply, even if I could do nothing about it other than re-install the game, would go a long way for me to possibly avoiding that particular pitfall to begin with.

Again a notification before the game starts to update that it will be updating so you could stop the process and do the things even they recommend would be, IMO, a good idea.

 

By the way on this last try It took 45 minutes to install everything and get it working in a stock configuration so I could, with confidence, re-install my 'Input' custom skins and MODS folders.

 

[RedKestrel]

33 minutes ago, Beebop said:

I don't consider myself a 'Power User' but yes, I like to keep as informed as possible about the game I am plying so that I can get the most out of it.

I got a response from Support this morning (after I "fixed" the game) that suggested turning off protection programs and following Micro$oft guidelines.  great. I sent them the pictures I posted here about the messages.  I'm the type of guy that wants to know why it happened so I can avoid making the same mistake twice.  Just deleting and reinstalling the game doesn't tell me anything.

In 1946 you sometimes got this error message "Mesh3do/humans/Paratroopers/Russia/mono.sim not created".  the fix was an easy to do edit in the conf.ini file regarding using texture compression, a user feature of the game.  Imagine the frustration if your only way to fix it was to re-download the game and all those mods?  Plus knowing why it happened allowed me to help others. 

I know there's a lot on the Dev's plate but the Support team should be more helpful IMO that just say "reload the game".  A simple 'you are getting this message because...' informational reply, even if I could do nothing about it other than re-install the game, would go a long way for me to possibly avoiding that particular pitfall to begin with.

Again a notification before the game starts to update that it will be updating so you could stop the process and do the things even they recommend would be, IMO, a good idea.

 

By the way on this last try It took 45 minutes to install everything and get it working in a stock configuration so I could, with confidence, re-install my 'Input' custom skins and MODS folders.

 

The weakest aspect of this sim is the documentation - you really gotta dig to find things out, and what's there is often good but out of date. And their support department is small so you are most likely to get quick answers with little detail as to the why. The logic may be that, since most of the install files aren't open to be tweaked, most of the time a re-install is all you can do. But if you are modding or mission building then its not nearly as helpful.

You may want to just start launching the game directly via the Il-2.exe rather than the launcher. I think If you do it this way the game won't automatically start downloading the update and doing that process before you can stop it - if the game needs to be updated it will tell you. Then you can back up your inputs, missions, videocapture tracks, deactivate mods, etc. before the game updates.

My general policy is to wait a few days after an update if I can for any hotfixes and/or server problems to get fixed - also usually the downloads are quicker at that point. Not really viable if you are itching to get on and play or work on missions. I get extreeeemely frustrated myself when dealing with computer issues at home since so much of my work seems to revolve around solving them for other people, so when I get home anything not going smoothly is a recipe for a meltdown! 

I lurk on the tech issues forum and post when I can to help people out so they don't feel like they're screaming into the void. After a while you get familiar with the easy issues and fixes and common pitfalls, but beyond that its a support ticket and a waiting period.




 

[Beebop]

You make a couple of good points....

50 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

The logic may be that, since most of the install files aren't open to be tweaked, most of the time a re-install is all you can do.

You are most likely right, although it is still frustraing for people like me who are just plain nosy and want to know WHY?. 

52 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

You may want to just start launching the game directly via the Il-2.exe rather than the launcher.

That is probably the best advice I've received yet.  I guess because when I first got the game that was how I first logged on I thought it was the best way.  Yet the number of times I've done that and immediately tried to go into Offline mode only to be told "you need to update your game"...you would have though I could have figured it out on my own. Thanks for pointing me in a better direction.  ?  I will change my game start shortcut.

 

Again thanks to everyone for their input.

[Missionbug]

Hello Beebop, I usually first know of a update as I launch the game to play it like you, however, I usually just hit the X in the corner of the launch screen to stop it while I deactivate my JSGME and then once done just launch the game again to continue the update, has always been okay for me so far.

 

There have been occasions when the download has just stopped, internet hick up a disconnection or whatever, mine takes a age to download and if it drops out will then notify me of a failed to update, again just start the game again as you would anytime you launch to play because your folder seems to save what had already downloaded and just continues on until it is finished.

 

I decided to continue downloading from the new exe, might as well continue on and have a completely new folder, it has continued on from where it stopped at about six gig and now the installer just shows me how much is left of the remainder of 17 or whatever it was, if all is well I will use that to replace the version I had from the first install.

 

As you say Beebop you cannot run the game offline as far as I know until it has updated once that process has started, if you launch again it continues the download, however, when I tried my old game that was a separate exe and the update had already finished it was just it would not start due to the Malwarebytes issue so I was able to try the old version once I had done the things necessary with Malwarbytes while the newly downloaded exe was stopped as you cannot have two versions run together.

 

Hope that clarifies anything I said.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

Edited August 18, 2020 by Missionbug

[161snails]

I gave a problem with the 4.009 patch only downloading partially then freezing(always at the same point) anyone else getting this ?

[Beebop]

My inital D/L of 4.009 took over 5 1/2 hours to d/l and install.  How long have you waited before giving up (?) 

When I d/l'ed the first time my transfer rate fell to ~ 1MB/sec at times. 

When it "freezes" what is the transfer rate?  If there is any transfer rate then it's just being s l o w.

I first d/l'ed about an hour after it was released.  Server traffic was very heavy which contributed, no doubt, to my slow and apparently corrupted d/l.  Can you try another time?  Maybe late at night when the rest of Europe and the Eastern world is sleeping?

 

Justathot.

[RedKestrel]

17 minutes ago, 161snails said:

I gave a problem with the 4.009 patch only downloading partially then freezing(always at the same point) anyone else getting this ?

Sometimes it just needs to be left alone for awhile to sort itself out. Mine pauses for a minute or two at a time often. If it doesn't...I seem to remember there being a fix for this issue but can't find it in a quick search of the forums. How long have you tried leaving it for?

[Beebop]

The final insult...when I tried to create a dogfight server (no 2nd computer for a DServer) or tried to join a dogfight server I found myself in a window with the right side being the main GUI screen where you choose Multiplay/Single/Campaign/Quick Mission/Settings etc. and my cursor was visible but when I moved it to click one of the optioons my head moved, couldn't enable/disable the HUD and on and on and on.  I had to 'Task Manager' out of the game. ?

Knowing that Support would say "uninstall and re-download the game" I decided to do what had been suggested by others around here who had problems after an update, delete the "Update" folder and run the Launcher.

After about ten minutes of "analyzing" the files, it downloaded some "packed content" and Play appeared.

 

Finally everything worked although I had to reset some options like disabling 'Cinematic view' under camera and re-enable my mods but now,

(crosses fingers, tosses salt over his shoulder and throws three shiny pennies into the wishing well),

all is working.

 

I can't wait for the next SNAFU, err, update. ?

[Missionbug]

You really had a bad time with this update Beebop, hopefully from here on in all will be good for you.

 

I finally finished downloading from the new exe this morning, no issues so far with the new version except for Windows Defender flashing a message but just acknowledging that did not cause any further drama and hopefully with a completely new install any issues I might have created myself after all these years with the old one should be gone.

 

At least others in the community were able to help us this time and that information will help going forward I hope if further issues arise following the next update, thank you very much to all for your help, really appreciated.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Beebop]

27 minutes ago, Missionbug said:

You really had a bad time with this update Beebop

Yeah.  Usually it's a 10~30 minute download and install and I'm off.  I did have some graphic issues with deferred shading, like all AMD users did, but the game still played and, until the Devs came up with a solution, there were temporary workarounds and game remained playable.

I learned some lessons this time and made some changes to how I go about starting up so things should be better next time.

(crosses fingers, tosses salt over his shoulder and throws three shiny pennies into the wishing well)

?

[Beebop]

???

 

It's happening AGAIN!

Yesterday I had trouble logging into or creating a DF Server.  I removed the 'updates' folder, relaunched the game through the Launcher, it analyzed my files and re-downloaded the Game Client and everything worked.

This morning I opened the ME, did some work on a mission and when I saved and closed went to create a DF server to test and it happened again! 

A G A I N !!!!

 

After going to Multiplay, clicking on the Dogfight box, click continue then Create Server.  My list of missions comes up and I chose the mission I wanted to test, it laods and the Briefing screen came up, I chose a plane from the Airfield and clicked START.

This is what I see;

 

Image lightened for clarity.  It's very dark on my screen.  I can do nothing until I press one of the buttons just above the cursor:
 

 

I click either button and get this:

 

From there I move the cursor and my head moves.  I can change views using the 'F#' keys, turn my HUD on and off, can't see any Technochat, move and fly the plane using my joystick but cannot get out of this view.

Sometimes I can exit game by getting my cursor to 'Exit Game', sometimes I have to use the Task Manager.

If I go back into Multiplayer > Dogfight > Continue,  my Server is still up because I couldn't close it.  If I try and join either the game freezes or I go back to the first image.

 

So I removed the 'updates' folder again, relaunched the game through the Launcher, it analyzed my files and re-downloaded the Game Client but it happened again.  Last time it fixed it.  not this time.???

 

I'm afraid if I submit a Support Ticket I'll just get the usual "...delete game and re-download..."  Just how many times am I going to have to do that?

Has anybody had this happen to them?

 

(I'm going to change my nickname to "Job").

 

 

 

 

Edited August 19, 2020 by Beebop

[161snails]

On 8/18/2020 at 8:33 PM, RedKestrel said:

Sometimes it just needs to be left alone for awhile to sort itself out. Mine pauses for a minute or two at a time often. If it doesn't...I seem to remember there being a fix for this issue but can't find it in a quick search of the forums. How long have you tried leaving it for?

Thanks for the tip but. I joy, I took the desperate step of deleting the fame entirely and reinstalled..same thing happens, gets to 2.44mb and stops?

ive tried installing DCS to se if it was a problem with my PC but it’s downloading fine. I don’t have the greatest speed being based out in Iraq but I’ve never had a problem prior to this

[RedKestrel]

8 minutes ago, Beebop said:

???

 

It's happening AGAIN!

Yesterday I had trouble logging into or creating a DF Server.  I removed the 'updates' folder, relaunched the game through the Launcher, it analyzed my files and re-downloaded the Game Client and everything worked.

This morning I opened the ME, did some work on a mission and when I saved and closed went to create a DF server to test and it happened again! 

A G A I N !!!!

 

After going to Multiplay, clicking on the Dogfight box, click continue then Create Server.  My list of missions comes up and I chose the mission I wanted to test, it laods and the Briefing screen came up, I chose a plane from the Airfield and clicked START.

This is what I see;

 

Image lightened for clarity.  It's very dark on my screen.  I can do nothing until I press one of the buttons just above the cursor:
 

 

I click either button and get this:

 

From there I move the cursor and my head moves.  I can change views using the 'F#' keys, turn my HUD on and off, can't see any Technochat, move and fly the plane using my joystick but cannot get out of this view.

Sometimes I can exit game by getting my cursor to 'Exit Game', sometimes I have to use the Task Manager.

If I go back into Multiplayer > Dogfight > Continue,  my Server is still up because I couldn't close it.  If I try and join either the game freezes or I go back to the first image.

 

So I removed the 'updates' folder again, relaunched the game through the Launcher, it analyzed my files and re-downloaded the Game Client but it happened again.  Last time it fixed it.  not this time.???

 

I'm afraid if I submit a Support Ticket I'll just get the usual "...delete game and re-download..."  Just how many times am I going to have to do that?

Has anybody had this happen to them?

 

(I'm going to change my nickname to "Job").

 

 

 

 

Sisyphus might be the more apt classical figure here, but that's semantics.

For clarity, does this ONLY happen when trying to join with the "Multiplayer - Dogfight" mission and server you created? Are you able to to QMB, Single Missions, or Join other existing servers? You may want to try that as a test to narrow things down.

Contact Support, explaining what you already have done to resolve the issue. If you already have a ticket with them on the issue where they responded, maybe try to reply to that one. The worse they can say is what you fear. The best solution may be that they know what is causing it.

At the same time, if the problem is ONLY when you try and make a dogfight server then I would suggest make a separate thread in the Technical Issues part of the forum - this is now beyond a "4.009 won't start" issue, this is a "Creating a dogfight mission and trying to join it causes my installation to bork itself 4.009" issue. Include any info you think is relevant and even stuff that might not be - your previous troubles on updating 4.009 and what you did to resolve the issue , any mods you have (active or not - sometimes mods don't deactivate properly, add new files that get screwed up), computer specs, internet connection, any other applications running at the same time, etc. (All the stuff/info you're including in this thread can be sent to support too). Sometimes community members can help faster than Support for things like this - we don't have a queue a mile long and less temptation to just say "reinstall". 

 

Also might get the attention of the QA team including @-DED-Rapidus who may be able to see if this is a bug that needs some hotfixin'.

(It may also be wise to do a quick forum search and see if any other mission builders or designers on the "Mission Building" section of the forum are having similar issues, or have ever encountered them.)

 

Make the most absolute basic mission you can, test it out to see if you get this same behaviour, and upload that mission to the thread so others with the same install can try and reproduce the bug.

 

Hope this helps.

[Beebop]

15 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

For clarity, does this ONLY happen when trying to join with the "Multiplayer - Dogfight" mission and server you created? Are you able to to QMB, Single Missions, or Join other existing servers?

I can do QMB/Single/Campaign.  Not other Servers.

16 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

any mods you have (active or not - sometimes mods don't deactivate properly, add new files that get screwed up)

It happens with Mods Off too.

 

17 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

(It may also be wise to do a quick forum search and see if any other mission builders or designers on the "Mission Building" section of the forum are having similar issues, or have ever encountered them.)

I have looked but found nothing like this issue.

 

18 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

Make the most absolute basic mission you can, test it out to see if you get this same behaviour, and upload that mission to the thread so others with the same install can try and reproduce the bug.

Interesting.  I made the simplest DF, one plane on Lapino map, just scenery and the issue didn't happen.  But, from Parked I could not start the engine even though the default key was assigned.  I changed it to On Runway, the engine was running and I could takeoff but no Techochat even though it was enabled.

 

???

[RedKestrel]

2 minutes ago, Beebop said:

I can do QMB/Single/Campaign.  Not other Servers.

It happens with Mods Off too.

 

I have looked but found nothing like this issue.

 

Interesting.  I made the simplest DF, one plane on Lapino map, just scenery and the issue didn't happen.  But, from Parked I could not start the engine even though the default key was assigned.  I changed it to On Runway, the engine was running and I could takeoff but no Techochat even though it was enabled.

 

???

I'm the wrong guy to troubleshoot this as I don't mission build or run servers, but since tech chat being enabled is a server side setting, maybe there is something in the mission file or the settings that you have to check to allow it???

For the engine - does the engine key not do anything , or does it just not successfully start the engine? Like you hear switches going but then the engine fails? Can you start in a QMB in parked mode and start the engine successfully?

I'm upgrading this one from 'borked' to 'mega-borked' in the RedKestrel Bug Rating System. We are not yet at Totally F******** Borked because you can fly single player stuff. Its something weird happening with the servers or missions...

Could you post what mods you have installed and used (even those that are inactive).

[Beebop]

Techochat was my error.  somehow It got turned off although I didn't do it.

Engine key does work.  It takes soo long to start up an engine and since I couldn't see the Techochat I thought it wasn't working.

My bad.

My frustration.

 

So here are the mods I have in the JSGME:

 

And here is what is enabled:

 

None of these mods have given me any trouble before the 4.009 update.

 

I have little confidence that Support will take a serious interest in the nimrod from the Pacific Northwest USA when no one else seems to have an even remorely similar issue so I guess it's save 'input', 'Missions', Multiplayer' 'graphics' and 'MODS' and re-install the game.

 

If it continues to fail....I won't have much to do until COVID finally passes, sometime in 2022?

?

 

 

[RedKestrel]

3 hours ago, Beebop said:

Techochat was my error.  somehow It got turned off although I didn't do it.

Engine key does work.  It takes soo long to start up an engine and since I couldn't see the Techochat I thought it wasn't working.

My bad.

My frustration.

 

So here are the mods I have in the JSGME:

 

And here is what is enabled:

 

None of these mods have given me any trouble before the 4.009 update.

 

I have little confidence that Support will take a serious interest in the nimrod from the Pacific Northwest USA when no one else seems to have an even remorely similar issue so I guess it's save 'input', 'Missions', Multiplayer' 'graphics' and 'MODS' and re-install the game.

 

If it continues to fail....I won't have much to do until COVID finally passes, sometime in 2022?

?

 

 

Well the good news is we've narrowed down the issue. No problem with engines, no problem with tech chat. 

So the issue is:

-can't join dogfight servers and:

-joining some dogfight missions on local hosting causes a weird menu issue.

Something to try: Deactivate all the mods in the mod activator AND launch in mods off mode. See what happens.
You can try reactivating them one at a time, see if one causes the issue. Might be anything to do with pilot or character animations

- they changed the way that worked this last patch.

Do you still have the mission that caused the issue? Maybe post it here. I likely won't have time to test it myself tonight but maybe someone else, esp. someboday with mission building experience, could try it out for bugs?

Edited August 20, 2020 by RedKestrel

[Beebop]

It's a Dogfight mission.

Open the Zip and place the folder "VLS" in Multiplayer > dogfight.

Mission name is "Railyard Attack"

It's a WIP.  Pick a plane from the airfiled and see if you get the same issues I showed previously.

 

 

Edited August 20, 2020 by Beebop
Mission deleted as no longer relevant.

[RedKestrel]

1 hour ago, Beebop said:

It's a Dogfight mission.

Open the Zip and place the folder "VLS" in Multiplayer > dogfight.

Mission name is "Railyard Attack"

It's a WIP.  Pick a plane from the airfiled and see if you get the same issues I showed previously.

 

VLS.zip 117.01 kB · 1 download

I made some time to run this quick tonight. I was able to create the Dogfight server (first time doing that lol), load the mission, spawn in a P-47D-22, fire my guns and look around, etc. Did not have my flight gear set up so I wasn't able to try taking off, but I definitely didn't get the issues you are seeing. 

So at first blush the mission itself doesn't appear to be a problem. Which sorta sucks, because that would have narrowed it down even further.

My install is completely vanilla, mods off, and I've never had mods, reshade, or anything installed. I had no third party software running (headtracking, vid recording, discord, etc.) active at the time either. So we can look at it as a 'clean' run I guess.

 

If you do the dreaded reinstall, run the game with no mods active AND no mods in the mod folder at all and see what happens. I keep circling back to this being a possible mod problem - I know that every once in a while, people run into problems caused by mods not being properly deactivated and/or interfering with things even with mods off. If a pure vanilla install works, add the mods back a few at a time and test until you figure out the culprit.

I know this sucks, hang in there. Hopefully someone more knowledgable than me will pop along. You may also want to ask in the threads for your various mods to see if anyone is having similar issues there.

 

 

[Beebop]

Thanks Redkestral.  I have been pursuing every thread on 4.009, Tech issues, Mods, anything where someone has had a problem and will continue doing so.

As I said I have this problem with all mods off, even to the point of removing my Mods folder and JSGME entirely out of the game folder. 

I have restarted the computer a dozen times, ran the game without any AV protections, a scary thing these days.  I can't imagine how scary it must be for someone with a "slow" ISP downloading updates with their protections turned off as recommended by the Devs.

I'll give it another ~24 hours and if nothing comes along I'll do yet another reinstall from scratch.  However I am beginning to hold little hope.  This has been a dismal failure for me and a future without Great battles is a bleak thought indeed. 

There's a few more things I need to try so although beaten and bloody I hold out hope for "Peace in our time".

 

QUICK UPDATE:

I tried creating a Co-Op Server (I have a few Air Race Missions I got from I Fly Central) and the issue does not happen.  It seems to be relegated to my (?) dogfight Server.

HMMMM.

Edited August 20, 2020 by Beebop

[Beebop]

Solved?  Maybe?

 

RK, I gave your suggestion that it might be mod related some very serious though as it's a sensible conclusion, even though I had previously experienced the issue with no mods at all.

 

So, first I disabled 'Mods on' in game and tried the mission.  this time I had no issues.  Everything was "normal".
I then went into my JSGME and disabled every mod and in game re-enabled "Mods on" but with no mods enabled.  Again no issues.
"So", I thought, "it must be one of the mods"
I then went through the tedious task of enabling mods one at a time.  I got about 7 "essential" mods enabled, all with no issues.
Then came one of my favorites, the Navigator mod that puts you in the plexiglass nose of the A-20, a prime sightseeing and target spotting seat in the game.
BANG!  There was those pesky screens.
I disabled the mod and tried again.  This time, with no Navigator Mod all was fine.
I continued my mod-by-mod re-enablement and now I have most of my mods back. 

What I haven't tried is the map repaints but my "important" mods, Modified Icons and the great 'Realistic Clouds' mod all work fine.

SO FAR.

 

I won't be surprised if tomorrow morning when I start the game the problem returns but I'm betting it won't as I think I found the culprit.

It could be that after the game re-download I may have not re-enabled it initially but later did which led me to a false conclusions about it working or not working.

 

I have also posted my experience in the navigator Mod thread for others to see.

 

RedKestrel, THANK YOU for hanging in there with me, making suggestions and "hammering" on the mods issue.  You were right.  I'd buy you a cup of coffee if possible.  if you are ever in the NW US after this COVID thing is over let me know.  I'll treat you to dinner and some excellent Air Museums we have around here.

I will keep you (and anyone else who has been following this) informed if anything turns out different.

 

Again THANKS!!!  ???️???