Nvidia teases a 21 day countdown to unveil or release of the RTX 3000

[FoxbatRU]

1 час назад, TheSNAFU сказал:

In any case any feedback on FPS, smoothness, overall performance improvements along with system specs would be appreciated. 

Before that I had 2080. I play mainly in my career. Now it is Kuban. Bodenplatte haven't tried it yet. The resolution is 2560x1440. Previously, I had to lower the settings (clouds are not ultra, there are no reflections in the cockpit), so that with MCAAx4 fps it was 100-120. 3080 allows with ultra clouds and MCAAh8 to keep 140-160fps. Plus a mod with clouds. But it is loaded by 99%. But I preferred to leave MCAAx4 so that the card would not load close to 100%. Because there are places in the quarry where performance will be limited by the processor. Because I play offline, I have no problems with smoothness. As far as I know, smoothness problems occur online and they are not directly related only to the power of your PC.

[Jade_Monkey]

This morning my phone suggested an article: it was Dell's store selling the MSI RTX3080.

 

I thought "well obviously they are sold out".

 

Clicked on it and the were in stock so i jumped out of bed for my wallet and snagged one. It won't arrive for a couple of weeks. I find it very ironic i have been unsuccessful when actively looking to get one, and yet i was able to buy one when i gave up looking online and refreshing pages.

 

Even though im very unhappy about how nvidia handled the entire launch and I really hope AMD can offer something equally as good, i had to jump on the opportunity. I have been without a proper gpu for months and i really miss flying in VR.

[Gambit21]

I’m guessing they’re not actually in stock, and taking orders so that they get their piece of the pie - hoping they get stock before too long.

[Alonzo]

16 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

This morning my phone suggested an article: it was Dell's store selling the MSI RTX3080.

 

I thought "well obviously they are sold out".

 

Clicked on it and the were in stock so i jumped out of bed for my wallet and snagged one. It won't arrive for a couple of weeks. I find it very ironic i have been unsuccessful when actively looking to get one, and yet i was able to buy one when i gave up looking online and refreshing pages.

 

Even though im very unhappy about how nvidia handled the entire launch and I really hope AMD can offer something equally as good, i had to jump on the opportunity. I have been without a proper gpu for months and i really miss flying in VR.

 

This is, according to Moore's Law is Dead, NVidia's exact business strategy. 'Release' slightly before they are really ready, create stock shortages and condition buyers to be "OMG, in stock, MUST BUY NOW", and then (in late October, now) flood the channels with lots of cards. Apparently 300,000 GPUs are already in the hands of the board partners, which is 10x what they had in September. NVidia was also sitting on the entire world supply of DDR6X, rationing it out to the board manufacturers, to control supply.

 

Net result is (understandable) behavior like from Jade Monkey above. 3080 in stock? Must be my lucky day! BUY NOW! SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

[Gambit21]

Yep - I don’t blame Monkey for firing off an order, but I’m going to sit tight and see what shakes loose.

[RedKestrel]

37 minutes ago, Alonzo said:

 

This is, according to Moore's Law is Dead, NVidia's exact business strategy. 'Release' slightly before they are really ready, create stock shortages and condition buyers to be "OMG, in stock, MUST BUY NOW", and then (in late October, now) flood the channels with lots of cards. Apparently 300,000 GPUs are already in the hands of the board partners, which is 10x what they had in September. NVidia was also sitting on the entire world supply of DDR6X, rationing it out to the board manufacturers, to control supply.

 

Net result is (understandable) behavior like from Jade Monkey above. 3080 in stock? Must be my lucky day! BUY NOW! SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

LOL! Anyone checked to see if the Nvidia execs are actually literal dragons?

Maybe AMD can find the loose scale on their underbelly. Yeah, it's a Hobbit reference, sue me.

[unlikely_spider]

1 hour ago, Alonzo said:

 

This is, according to Moore's Law is Dead, NVidia's exact business strategy. 'Release' slightly before they are really ready, create stock shortages and condition buyers to be "OMG, in stock, MUST BUY NOW", and then (in late October, now) flood the channels with lots of cards. Apparently 300,000 GPUs are already in the hands of the board partners, which is 10x what they had in September. NVidia was also sitting on the entire world supply of DDR6X, rationing it out to the board manufacturers, to control supply.

 

Net result is (understandable) behavior like from Jade Monkey above. 3080 in stock? Must be my lucky day! BUY NOW! SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

I wanted one even before the release date, and would have bought regardless of any shortage, perceived or real.

Are you saying that they will be readily available in the next couple of weeks? Because that is in contrast to what EVGA recently stated.

[Alonzo]

2 minutes ago, unlikely_spider said:

I wanted one even before the release date, and would have bought regardless of any shortage, perceived or real.

Are you saying that they will be readily available in the next couple of weeks? Because that is in contrast to what EVGA recently stated.

 

I'm getting my info from Tom at Moore's Law is Dead, who regularly quotes his old videos and shows how accurate he has been in the past. He's well connected -- his job used to be pricing electronics components based on bill-of-materials costs from suppliers. Here's yesterday's video about the 3080 20GB and Ampere availability:

 

 

[Jade_Monkey]

The reality is always more complex than that.

 

I didn't not jump on it because nvidia conditioned my behavior. I jumped on it because I don't have a gpu right now. Also there is a baby on the way in a few months, and I know I won't have much time to flyafter that, so flying time right now is at an all time high premium but need a card to fly.

[FoxbatRU]

It is very difficult to refrain from buying if you have already sold your old video card three weeks ago. I rushed with the sale of RTX 2080, but did not want to sit without Il-2 until the New Year.

But I am glad that I did not manage to sell the RTX 2080 in the summer as I wanted. Then I would buy RTX 2080Ti and now I would be more saddened.

?

[Jaws2002]

More interesting rumors. Looks like Nvidia is not very happy with the Samsung 8nm node and they may make a refresh of 3080 next year on the TSMC 7nm node. 

[E69_Qpassa_VR]

12 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

The reality is always more complex than that.

 

I didn't not jump on it because nvidia conditioned my behavior. I jumped on it because I don't have a gpu right now. Also there is a baby on the way in a few months, and I know I won't have much time to flyafter that, so flying time right now is at an all time high premium but need a card to fly.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/jb8xeu/update_to_anyone_who_bought_a_3080_from_dell_the/

[Livai]

This 30xx launch is an absolute joke!  All the 30xx bought away with the intention of reselling them. Especially since everyone now knows how great the demand is. Why nvidia didn't just announce them and have a decent number of them thrown on the market. And the smart hardware dealer cancel the customers order for $699 but not for $900. Always the same when new cards coming out from Nvidia. 

 

[Jade_Monkey]

9 hours ago, E69_Qpassa_VR said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/jb8xeu/update_to_anyone_who_bought_a_3080_from_dell_the/

 

I had a weird feeling that's what they might be doing. Either way I'll wait and see, at least I don't have to keep looking for it.

[Gambit21]

Wow - I hit that one right on the head.

[von_Tom]

On 10/14/2020 at 9:31 PM, Jade_Monkey said:

Also there is a baby on the way in a few months...

 

 

Congratulations.  Kids are amazing, adorable, a complete PITA and flippin' expensive, but worth it.

 

von Tom

[Livai]

LoL

 

[RedKestrel]

11 minutes ago, Livai said:

LoL

 

Holy crap. They have almost no stock incoming and literally thousands of outstanding orders. Did they really underestimate the demand that strongly or did the scalpers scoop up everything and just hold onto it and not sell? Either way its a disaster, at least if you're Nvidia and you like money.

 

 

[Alonzo]

39 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

Holy crap. They have almost no stock incoming and literally thousands of outstanding orders. Did they really underestimate the demand that strongly or did the scalpers scoop up everything and just hold onto it and not sell? Either way its a disaster, at least if you're Nvidia and you like money.

 

This is Moore's Law is Dead's "NVidia's Ultimate Play" theory. Launch the cards before they are really ready, at a claimed $700 price point. Great performance and reduced prices! Yay NVidia!

 

But...

• The FE cooler alone costs $150. NVidia is making 10% margin on the FE cards. No point selling them.
• Partner cards are > $700, and need to be $750 or more for the partners to make any money. Why would someone want a partner card?
• Artificial scarcity. NVidia sat on the world supply of DDR6X so partners could only make cards at a rate NVidia dictates.
• No-one can get a 3080 right now, causing people to accept higher prices and if they see one in stock, immediately hit the 'buy' button.

Their strategy now is

• Flood the market with stock just before AMD is ready to launch.
• 300,000 GPUs shipped 2 weeks ago to board partners. This is 10X what shipped prior to that.
• Adjust the 3070 price to counter the AMD announcement, 1 day after that announcement

NVidia's strategy is to look like the good guy with a $700 card and reduced prices, but in fact offer at best a $750 card through board partners. They have created a ton of demand for these things, so they will sell out their cards at the $750+ price point. All publicity is good publicity. Scarcity is good. Their strategy only looks bad if they don't sell more cards for more money overall in the quarter, and it certainly looks like they can easily do that.

 

Scalping has occurred with the first few thousand cards, yes. And that's bad for gamers but NVidia doesn't really care -- they want to have more gamer mindshare than AMD, appear competitively priced, and screw over what will likely be much better graphics cards from AMD. Remember, NVidia is using an old 8nm process technology which is power-hungry. The 3080 basically can't be overclocked, and 350W for a card is crazy, let alone the higher wattage cards. And even pumping 450W through one of them you don't actually get that much more performance. NVidia basically pushed it as hard as they could. AMD is using 7nm and smarter architecture, they're going to have 250W cards that are within spitting distance of the 3080. Depending on how much you game, that 100W could cost you $20/month in electricity, or if you upgrade every two years $240 over the life of the board.

 

So which card do you want?

• 3080 performance, 350W+, 10GB VRAM, $750, +$20/month electricity bill
• 95% of 3080 performance, 250W, 16GB VRAM, < $700, cheaper electric bill.

NVidia is hoping that all the hype and scarcity causes people to overlook the fact that AMD is providing an excellent value proposition with their RDNA2 cards (subject to the rumors being true, of course).

[RedKestrel]

38 minutes ago, Alonzo said:

 

This is Moore's Law is Dead's "NVidia's Ultimate Play" theory. Launch the cards before they are really ready, at a claimed $700 price point. Great performance and reduced prices! Yay NVidia!

 

But...

• The FE cooler alone costs $150. NVidia is making 10% margin on the FE cards. No point selling them.
• Partner cards are > $700, and need to be $750 or more for the partners to make any money. Why would someone want a partner card?
• Artificial scarcity. NVidia sat on the world supply of DDR6X so partners could only make cards at a rate NVidia dictates.
• No-one can get a 3080 right now, causing people to accept higher prices and if they see one in stock, immediately hit the 'buy' button.

Their strategy now is

• Flood the market with stock just before AMD is ready to launch.
• 300,000 GPUs shipped 2 weeks ago to board partners. This is 10X what shipped prior to that.
• Adjust the 3070 price to counter the AMD announcement, 1 day after that announcement

NVidia's strategy is to look like the good guy with a $700 card and reduced prices, but in fact offer at best a $750 card through board partners. They have created a ton of demand for these things, so they will sell out their cards at the $750+ price point. All publicity is good publicity. Scarcity is good. Their strategy only looks bad if they don't sell more cards for more money overall in the quarter, and it certainly looks like they can easily do that.

 

Scalping has occurred with the first few thousand cards, yes. And that's bad for gamers but NVidia doesn't really care -- they want to have more gamer mindshare than AMD, appear competitively priced, and screw over what will likely be much better graphics cards from AMD. Remember, NVidia is using an old 8nm process technology which is power-hungry. The 3080 basically can't be overclocked, and 350W for a card is crazy, let alone the higher wattage cards. And even pumping 450W through one of them you don't actually get that much more performance. NVidia basically pushed it as hard as they could. AMD is using 7nm and smarter architecture, they're going to have 250W cards that are within spitting distance of the 3080. Depending on how much you game, that 100W could cost you $20/month in electricity, or if you upgrade every two years $240 over the life of the board.

 

So which card do you want?

• 3080 performance, 350W+, 10GB VRAM, $750, +$20/month electricity bill
• 95% of 3080 performance, 250W, 16GB VRAM, < $700, cheaper electric bill.

NVidia is hoping that all the hype and scarcity causes people to overlook the fact that AMD is providing an excellent value proposition with their RDNA2 cards (subject to the rumors being true, of course).

I want to say this sounds way too farfetched but all the facts line up for it. LOL, even for a megacorp that's a dick move to your customer base.

 

Unless AMD craps the bed on their launch I think my next card is likely to be AMD. I'm already settled on a Zen3 chip for my processor/mobo/powersupply upgrade, might as well go full AMD if the price/performance is right.

[LukeFF]

I cancelled my CDW order a few days ago, knowing that (1) it was going to take forever to actually buy one, (2) $865 is a crazy price to pay for a basic Zotac card, and (3) the AMD cards are likely to be very competitive in both price and performance. 

[Jaws2002]

AMD takes steps to prevent scalpers from messing their CPU and GPU release, by issuing strict guidelines to retailers:

https://wccftech.com/amd-preps-for-radeon-rx-6000-gpu-ryzen-5000-cpu-launch-issues-guidelines-to-retailers/

 

• Bot Detection and Management
• CAPTCHA Implementation
• Purchase Limits
• Reservations
• Inventory-toe-Cart Allocation

Looks like this fight may be harder for Nvidia than what they were expecting. 

 If performance of RDNA2 is close to 3080, and all the leaks point to that being the case, many people will buy AMD cards simply out of frustration with the 3080 release.

Edited October 21, 2020 by Jaws2002

[Jaws2002]

And when you thought this launch couldn't be more messed up for Nvidia, looks like the planned 20GB rtx3080 and 16GB rtx3070 have been canceled, leaving Nvidia's 10GB cards to compete against AMD's upcoming 16GB cards.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-allegedly-cancels-geforce-rtx-3080-20gb-and-rtx-3070-16gb

 

Not a good sign. I doubt it's a problem with the memory, since the 16GB 3070 was supposed to use regular  GDDR6 not the special, x version.  Either they have issues with the 8nm Samsung node, or AMD's cheaper upcoming cards could make them obsolete.

 Exciting times. 

Could AMD beat, both, Intel and Nvidia this generation?

 If they can pull it off, they owe it to that amazing 7nm TSMC node.

Edited October 21, 2020 by Jaws2002

[dburne]

Why in the world Nvidia launched these 3080 cards with only 10GB of memory is beyond me.

Not only does my 2080 Ti have more (11GB), but pretty sure even my 1080 Ti did as well.

 

I am in a reserve cue with EVGA to get a 3090 FTW3 Ultra.

No idea how long it might be before my turn to place the order rolls around.

[sevenless]

It is a good time for those who can wait. I am more and more getting the gut feeling that I won´t be deciding what will be the replacement for my GTX-980-SLI combo before x-mas. Then the dust hopefully has settled and supplies for both AMD and NVIDIA are plenty.

[TheSNAFU]

What the hell is Nvidia doing. It’s like they’re intentionally trying to wreck the biggest advance they’ve had in performance maybe ever. It’s crazy. First time I’ve ever even thought about buying an AMD gpu. So if Nvidia is trying to commit suicide it’s working... 

 

As dburne said why they released 3080 with just 10gb memory is beyond any degree of sensibility. Just dumb. I gotta think some heads are gonna roll over there. 

[Jaws2002]

3 hours ago, TheSNAFU said:

It’s like they’re intentionally trying to wreck the biggest advance they’ve had in performance maybe ever.

 

It is the biggest advance they ever had, if you beleive their numbers. The jump in performance didn't scale the same in all areas. 

  I think it could be Samsung's 8nm node that can't be produced at the rate and with the yield they thought they could. 

 Another reason may be performance. This generation of Nvidia GPUs are very power hungry, specially when combined with the new Micron GDDR 6X memory. If AMD's cards are capable to compete at 3080's level, amd could most likely make them a lot cheaper, due to cheaper GDDR6 memory and much more mature 7nm node, that can be produced at higher yield. 

 Nvidia isn't making much on the 10GB cards. Expensive memory, expensive cooler, high percentage of bad chips that have to be discrded. 

NVIDIA was hoping AMD was not going to be able to compete above 3070 level, so they could milk anyone who wanted more than 10GB of ram dry.

  If the leaks coming from AMD are true, Big NAVI may even compete at 3090 level, with a more efficient and cheaper card.

 If that's the case, nobody will want a 20GB 3080, at 1000 USD, when they could get a similar performing AMD card 200-300$ cheaper.

 NVIDIA will most likely hold the ray tracing performance, but most people don't care enough about that to pay Nvidia's premium.

 Some rumors are saying Nvidia may try to bring a TSMC 7nm made Ampere refresh, next year, but that won't happen in less than eight months.

 

 

[messsucher]

You can toss NVIDIA ray tracing to where the sun does not shine. It is the single one most over hyped feature next three years.

[Ribbon]

I'm not in a hurry to get it but if some here interested seems there is some in stock at normal prices:

https://www.gputracker.eu/en/offer/334156/evga-geforce-rtx-3080-xc3-ultra-gaming-10gb-gddr6x

[Gambit21]

On 10/21/2020 at 4:58 PM, sevenless said:

It is a good time for those who can wait. I am more and more getting the gut feeling that I won´t be deciding what will be the replacement for my GTX-980-SLI combo before x-mas.

 

Yep

 

On 10/20/2020 at 12:43 PM, RedKestrel said:

 

Unless AMD craps the bed on their launch I think my next card is likely to be AMD. I'm already settled on a Zen3 chip for my processor/mobo/powersupply upgrade, might as well go full AMD if the price/performance is right.

 

No doubt - this will be the funnest build in a while I think.

 

 

[IckyATLAS]

For IL2 the benchmark between coming new Radeon 6000 series and GTX 30 series, will be just on the rasterizing performance. The rest like tensor cores, AI for DLSS 2.0 and all bells and whistles are irrelevant at this point.

For one or two other games could be of some importance but if I have to choose my next 2080ti replacement it will be with the board that has the highest rasterization performance.

As long as your CPU can handle it. And here team red has the lead on team blue. Memory bandwidth, memory interconnect design between RAM, CPU and GPU memory is also of importance to speed CPU-GPU combined performance.

It seems that team green new design has some strong points here, but let's see what comes from team red.

 

Let's admit that besides rasterization for the moment all the rest is hype, and except for games that you can count on one hand none uses fully all this technology.

So if you get the rasterization performance you are happy with, then that is the board to have and all what comes with is just nice to have.

 

I am on the verge of a major treason here. After exactly 27 years (I started with Vodoo 3Dfx) of a PC design based on four pillars:

Windows (OS), 3Dfx-Nvidia (GPU), Intel (CPU), Asus (Motherboard), I am on the verge of a possible big change.

In average I build a new top rig for my personal use every two years,  which makes it my fourteenth rig, out of about 50 rigs of various types in total I built over these same number of years.

In all the rigs, it was Intel, Asus always except for rigs I built for HPC on GPU (ATI-AMD) because at that time the code for calculations was based on Open CL which was better implemented on  AMD GPUs than Nvidia more suited to Cuda code. I should add that Linux was more performant for HPC but I admit I did not switch to Linux for those HPC rigs as it was a too demanding learning curve and I did not have time for that.

Beside this particular applications for gaming the aforementioned trio hold well up to now.

We are in troubled times here. It would be a big change for me to switch to Win, AMD, AMD, Asus. Only hard facts and benchmarks will show if I do the psychological and practical switch too.

You can imagine that I perfectly now the quirks, issues, optimizations after so many years of using  the Nvidia drivers, the motherboard bios, and the Intel CPU various optimizations coupled to the Motherboard and Windows, or Wintel. Changing, means I have to adapt to a different universe.

Only independent benchmarks and hard facts will be the basis for a radical change. I am excited to see if this change happens.

 

Edited October 25, 2020 by IckyATLAS

[Livai]

On 10/20/2020 at 8:07 PM, RedKestrel said:

Holy crap. They have almost no stock incoming and literally thousands of outstanding orders. Did they really underestimate the demand that strongly or did the scalpers scoop up everything and just hold onto it and not sell? Either way its a disaster, at least if you're Nvidia and you like money.

 

And when you look inside shops world-wide = nothing in stock. Intersting will be the AMD launch if AMD has the same issue as Nvidia to deliver his cards to each customer.  Could be indeed that Ethereum-Miner forage all the 3080/3090

[ZachariasX]

Doubtful that miners got a hand on those parts. What we have looks more like sort of a product retraction to wait and see what AMD really offers. Then we get either 3080Super or 3070Super, anything that just about matches the red team while Nvidia/their AIB can still make money of those parts while being competitive in terms of performance. It's not that the 3000 Series are not powerful enough, they are just too power hungry and too expensive to make for said perfomance matching the AMD part. The AMD card is most likely cheaper to manufacture for a given performance score. Yes, Nvidia probably retains the fastest part, but what good is that if you can only deliver very few of them?

[Gambit21]

10 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

For IL2 the benchmark between coming new Radeon 6000 series and GTX 30 series, will be just on the rasterizing performance. The rest like tensor cores, AI for DLSS 2.0 and all bells and whistles are irrelevant at this point.

For one or two other games could be of some importance but if I have to choose my next 2080ti replacement it will be with the board that has the highest rasterization performance.

As long as your CPU can handle it. And here team red has the lead on team blue. Memory bandwidth, memory interconnect design between RAM, CPU and GPU memory is also of importance to speed CPU-GPU combined performance.

It seems that team green new design has some strong points here, but let's see what comes from team red.

 

Let's admit that besides rasterization for the moment all the rest is hype, and except for games that you can count on one hand none uses fully all this technology.

So if you get the rasterization performance you are happy with, then that is the board to have and all what comes with is just nice to have.

 

I am on the verge of a major treason here. After exactly 27 years (I started with Vodoo 3Dfx) of a PC design based on four pillars:

Windows (OS), 3Dfx-Nvidia (GPU), Intel (CPU), Asus (Motherboard), I am on the verge of a possible big change.

In average I build a new top rig for my personal use every two years,  which makes it my fourteenth rig, out of about 50 rigs...

 

We are in troubled times here. It would be a big change for me to switch to Win, AMD, AMD, Asus. Only hard facts and benchmarks will show if I do the psychological and practical switch too.

 

 

Bah - I go with whoever is offering best performance for the buck. So after my Intell P4 and Nvidia GPU, that meant switching to the AMD Athlon for a bit and the Radeon.

 

Then back to Intel with i5 2500k and Nvidia cards, then last build Intel was clearly asleep not offering any substantial performance gain over 5 years, so it was Ryzen time...still is. Now time to switch back to AMD for the GPU as well it appears.

[IckyATLAS]

13 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Bah - I go with whoever is offering best performance for the buck. So after my Intell P4 and Nvidia GPU, that meant switching to the AMD Athlon for a bit and the Radeon.

 

Then back to Intel with i5 2500k and Nvidia cards, then last build Intel was clearly asleep not offering any substantial performance gain over 5 years, so it was Ryzen time...still is. Now time to switch back to AMD for the GPU as well it appears.

You have good experience switching back and forth. Did you experiment any difficulties with AMD CPUs or no difference.

[Gambit21]

8 minutes ago, IckyATLAS said:

You have good experience switching back and forth. Did you experiment any difficulties with AMD CPUs or no difference.

 

Not a single hiccup

[Jaws2002]

1 hour ago, IckyATLAS said:

You have good experience switching back and forth. Did you experiment any difficulties with AMD CPUs or no difference.

Nothing. This was my first AMD CPU.

Plug and play, just like Intel.

Edited October 25, 2020 by Jaws2002

[sevenless]

On 10/24/2020 at 10:29 PM, Gambit21 said:

 

Yep

 

 

No doubt - this will be the funnest build in a while I think.

 

 

 

It is getting really interesting:

 

 

[chiliwili69]

It looks nice but I am not familiar with the 3DMark benchmarks. Being in this forum, our objective is to know what of the new cards performs better for IL-2 (either high-res monitor/s and VR).

So we should first neglect all those ray-tracing becnhmarks like PorRoyal and should focus only in traditional rasterizations.

Then we should also look at the ones using DX11 as IL-2 do. So for the moment the most closer benchmark to IL-2 from 3DMark is FireStrike.

 

So, is here where the leaks are really really impressive. If this is really true we should forget the NVidia cards if our purpose is IL-2.

 

Ideally we could have two becnhmarks within IL-2. One targeted to stress the CPU only and another targeted to stress the GPU only. So we would be able to determine what CPUs and what GPUs are better for our favorite sim.

[Jaws2002]

I wish we had official benchmarks in this game. 

I miss the old Black Death track in il-2. 

Hey Chiliwili, what tracks are you using now, to test performance?