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How to survive a He-111 bomber pilot career?

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For some reason, our fighter escorts always gets distracted by the 1st wave of interceptors so when the second wave comes, our formation is totally exposed. Not to mention gunners are utterly useless when trying to gun them down. I can barely survive more than a few missions. Are there like ways to survive whenever we get intercepted without a fighter escort?

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55 minutes ago, PanzerVII said:

For some reason, our fighter escorts always gets distracted by the 1st wave of interceptors so when the second wave comes, our formation is totally exposed. Not to mention gunners are utterly useless when trying to gun them down. I can barely survive more than a few missions. Are there like ways to survive whenever we get intercepted without a fighter escort?

In real life unescorted bombers were extremely vulnerable and they found exactly what you have found - gunners aren't much help. The gunner AI in Il-2 is a bit hit and miss - when you're flying bombers they seem useless, but when you're flying fighters they seem like sniper savants. 

Only thing you can do is maneuver a bit to try and throw of their aim and give your gunners time to get some hits in.

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7 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

In real life unescorted bombers were extremely vulnerable and they found exactly what you have found - gunners aren't much help. The gunner AI in Il-2 is a bit hit and miss - when you're flying bombers they seem useless, but when you're flying fighters they seem like sniper savants. 

Only thing you can do is maneuver a bit to try and throw of their aim and give your gunners time to get some hits in.

I guess the game is realistic in that regard. Is there some way to force your escort fighters to come with you? Even maneuvering will only get you so far before the fighters concentrate on you.

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2 minutes ago, PanzerVII said:

I guess the game is realistic in that regard. Is there some way to force your escort fighters to come with you? Even maneuvering will only get you so far before the fighters concentrate on you.

Not as far as I'm aware. They are working steadily on the AI so at some point it may be more possible to command them, but right now you have no way of controlling the AI escorts.

Personally I would crank the difficulty level way down, that will make your bomber crews a higher AI level, and your opponents a lower AI level. Any gunner level more than Novice is usually reasonably deadly, so that might make gunner defense more feasible. I know no one wants to play on 'easy' but you also want a chance to make it through a mission or two.

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9 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

Personally I would crank the difficulty level way down, that will make your bomber crews a higher AI level, and your opponents a lower AI level. Any gunner level more than Novice is usually reasonably deadly, so that might make gunner defense more feasible. I know no one wants to play on 'easy' but you also want a chance to make it through a mission or two.

 

The difficulty level doesn't affect the AI skill level of the player's squadron.

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59 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

The difficulty level doesn't affect the AI skill level of the player's squadron.

Yeah I just remembered you telling me that another time, LOL. Would it theoretically affect the AI rating of the escorts?

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16 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

Would it theoretically affect the AI rating of the escorts?

 

Yes, it does affect the escorts.

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I think one of the major problems in this game is how the career structure is organized, it seems like every mission you will be encountering enemy aircraft, you can change the number and skill in the settings but they will always be there, furthermore, in bomber campaigns you are attacking with a small number of bombers so if one fighter gets through he can create havoc on a bomber stream. 

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4 hours ago, twilson37 said:

I think one of the major problems in this game is how the career structure is organized, it seems like every mission you will be encountering enemy aircraft, you can change the number and skill in the settings but they will always be there, furthermore, in bomber campaigns you are attacking with a small number of bombers so if one fighter gets through he can create havoc on a bomber stream. 

 

Enemy opposition is not always there. I once flew 45 missions in career mode in a German bomber, and maybe a third to half of those missions featured enemy fighters intercepting us. 

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2 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Enemy opposition is not always there. I once flew 45 missions in career mode in a German bomber, and maybe a third to half of those missions featured enemy fighters intercepting us. 

45 missions? Teach me your ways lmao. I can barely get to 10 without getting shot down.

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The problem is the airplane: H-111 has the worst gunner of the game. I mean, is not an AI problem, but the gun itself... As was during the war.

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