**Parachute Shooters** / Killers.

[JG13_opcode]

Is only game, comrades.  Not to be giving rat's arse about the shooting of the parachutists.  Means nothing.

[O_DesoLunatic]

14 hours ago, JG13_opcode said:

Is only game, comrades.  Not to be giving rat's arse about the shooting of the parachutists.  Means nothing.

 

I see it the same as t-bagging in FPS games, it just shows disrespect towards the enemy player so not the best sportsmanship imho. I might do it to a friend when fooling around to make them a bit angry ^^

[GOA_AveFenix506*VR*]

51 minutes ago, desolunatic said:

 

I see it the same as t-bagging in FPS games, it just shows disrespect towards the enemy player so not the best sportsmanship imho. I might do it to a friend when fooling around to make them a bit angry ^^

 

Exactly ...

[[FAC]Ghost129er]

1 hour ago, desolunatic said:

 

I see it the same as t-bagging in FPS games, it just shows disrespect towards the enemy player so not the best sportsmanship imho. I might do it to a friend when fooling around to make them a bit angry ^^

Being a CS:GO player, I don't teabag teammates for fun; I Scout/AWP/D.Eagle them to the head for shits and giggles as do they.

In BoX we do the same thing in a way... After the end of a sortie we shoot flares at one another for shits and giggles mid air or on the ground, pure harmless fun, but that's off topic...

My response to this topic? C'est la vie. I guess @GOA_Karaya_VR is like me, don't want to shoot people in chutes (punssss).Ban or don't ban; that's the admin/server/host's rules/choice... This is one of those questions that'll have people pointing fingers/trash talking one another on the forum/etc and is similar to questions like 'What do you think of kamikaze kills when out of ammo..?' and other questions like that.

So far 90% of this thread has been alright, surprised it hasn't blown as badly as I expected it to, maybe I need to wait a bit longer for that.

Edited July 28, 2020 by [FAC]Ghost129er

[Tipsi]

Chute killers: Scumbags.

 

Simple as.

[Otto_bann]

On 7/4/2020 at 9:54 AM, Bilbo_Baggins said:

... Also, it has to be said that whilst hanging in the parachute one can give clear information and warnings to others for as far the eye can see, and from many angles as you pan around the view. Perhaps this needs to be considered here too...

 

Perhaps also we just have to see the obvious: to invoke killing a parachutist who would give informations is only a bad pretext to justify stupidity and incompetence. Otherwise why it would always among by guys deep in ranking and least skilled pilots who perform these behaviors? Have you ever seen a Krupinski or a true other top skilled guy do this? Me never...

Only dullards do like this because if they don't shoot on a parachute or this kind of things, they don't get any kill or any point or are quickly dead the most part of time.

Check stats of addicts of chute kill and you will see...:)

Edited July 30, 2020 by Otto_bann

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

I'm not a chute killer but, I do advise that if you're vulching my team's airfields and you get shot down, that you ride the plane into the dirt.  For that specific circumstance I will allocate ammo for busting your chute if you bail.

[Otto_bann]

12 minutes ago, 69th_Mobile_BBQ said:

... if you're vulching my team's airfields and you get shot down, that you ride the plane into the dirt...

On the best severs, this behavior is not permitted

Edited July 30, 2020 by Otto_bann

[SIA_Sp00k]

I wish we had little men in life boats...Now theres a thread on whether or not it was frowned upon to kill helpless men.

[GOA_AveFenix506*VR*]

On 7/30/2020 at 7:06 AM, TWC_Sp00k said:

I wish we had little men in life boats...Now theres a thread on whether or not it was frowned upon to kill helpless men.

 

There is no need to make a topic for that, since we already know the action you would take.

On 7/30/2020 at 5:52 AM, Otto_bann said:

 

Perhaps also we just have to see the obvious: to invoke killing a parachutist who would give informations is only a bad pretext to justify stupidity and incompetence. Otherwise why it would always among by guys deep in ranking and least skilled pilots who perform these behaviors? Have you ever seen a Krupinski or a true other top skilled guy do this? Me never...

Only dullards do like this because if they don't shoot on a parachute or this kind of things, they don't get any kill or any point or are quickly dead the most part of time.

Check stats of addicts of chute kill and you will see...:)

 

In the main picture of the topic, are one of these addicts..

Edited March 2, 2021 by GOA_Companere-VR-

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

3 hours ago, Otto_bann said:

On the best severs, this behavior is not permitted

  

"Best" is subjective.  

[Talisman]

To my mind, shooting at parachutes is just the same as shooting up a crashed aircraft on the ground whilst the pilot is still helpless in the cockpit and killing him.  This sort of thing happens all the time in-game, just as it did in real life.  I have just finished reading a book about an Allied WWII pilot who was repeatedly attacked in his parachute, not by one enemy pilot, but by two enemy pilots and they wanted to attack him after he had landed in his parachute too.

 

Shooting at parachutes and at pilots helpless in a crash landed aircraft is human behaviour and I suggest folks get over it and move on without complaint.  Either you join them in this behaviour or you don't and fly your own way.  If we fly on MP against other humans I believe that we have to accept that human behaviour is what it is regarding this topic and deal with it as part of the combat simulation.  This is not a simulation of a football match or a boxing match with rules and a referee, this is an all out world war air combat simulation based on history and real life.  

 

Happy landings,

 

56RAF_Talisman

[JG7_X-Man]

Here is my take - please don't shot me!

 

I think it depends. 

 

On a server like TAW where the # of pilots and the # of planes are separate KPIs - yes have at it!

 

 

 

Now, if TAW didn't have that differentiation, and just the # of aircraft lost were the single KPI, I would agree that it isn't beneficial to killing a pilot.

 

Do I do it? No - ummm well it depends (I have a few times as revenge on killing one of my team mates on their chute/crash landed when they are no longer a threat).

On 7/22/2020 at 8:13 PM, =RS=Stix_09 said:

While I don't chute kill or vulch airfields as a general rule, I dislike that kind of play , as it upsets many and does not add to fun gameplay (ie if it stops people getting into play)

 

If you are there to just piss people of , you should poff...

 

When I make missions I state what is and is not allowed, some (front airfields are open to vulching , rear are generally not)

 

My opinion is this:
if the server specifies u can or can't , do what the server says, if not its open and don't complain if it happens. If you don't like it don't fly there, (and whine about it).

 

Politely ask the admins (via their feedback system) to consider changing server or mission  rules.

 

I see and respect your point and agree. When I am chasing a plane that doesn't want to fight (for whatever reason) to their base, I say let AAA or one of their teammates help. There is also the use for RED/GREEN flares and sirens that can alert of an attack and when it's over. Having an Auto Kick mechanism kills immersion.

 

That was one of the issues of having airbases too close to the front in real life. The Me 262 was used for this extensively in the fall of '44. Not to mention the inception of Jv44 because the USAAF was notorious of following Me 262s back to base to shoot them down when they were least vulnerable.

 

I hope views on this will change when we get the Normandy '44 map because I can see mission designers making some cool jabo/rhubarb incursions across the channels.

Edited August 6, 2020 by JG7_X-Man

[RedKestrel]

37 minutes ago, JG7_X-Man said:

Here is my take - please don't shot me!

 

I think it depends. 

 

On a server like TAW where the # of pilots and the # of planes are separate KPIs - yes have at it!

 

 

 

 

Pilot losses on TAW are one of those mechanics that influences the outcome of the map extremely rarely. I've never seen a TAW map roll based on pilot losses, and even if they do, usually by the time you've lost that many pilots you are close to the aircraft limit and one more mission won't make the difference. If TAW didn't track pilot losses per side, almost nothing would change. Except on extremely hotly contested maps, even aircraft numbers seldom make the difference.

In the examples here, the pilot death/aircraft loss ratio means that both are likely to run out at the same time. That's unusual in the stats - usually aircraft losses occur much faster than pilot losses and run out first, if ever. Maybe if every pilot decided to chute kill at every opportunity things it would be different, or if pilot numbers were substantially reduced. Considering chute-killing involves a substantial risk there is no rational reason to do it with the current set up - better to get away from the area, rather than attract a bunch of enemies by showing your tracers halfway across the map. If you PK the guy but then get ganked yourself, you've accomplished nothing in the stats war. 


 

[Roland_HUNter]

I like the  excuse when ppl says: its just a game.
Please:
Like the football or any other game in the world had rules and HONOR.
I do not want to imagine that person in real life, who not able to behave like a honest/fair player with honor in virtual world.

This world is "damned". Its 100% says the honor today means nothing. Our ancestors are rotating in their graves.

Edited August 6, 2020 by -[HRAF]Roland_HUNter

[Ropalcz]

On 7/3/2020 at 9:03 PM, GOA_Karaya_VR said:

 

 

 

Quote from Speedwulf77:

 

(Maybe i am a little "OldSchool" but i come from a time where years ago in training in a squadron it was one of the biggest rules to even let someone "smoking darker then white" run home if he doesnt want to fight anymore.. "Parachuting or similar" permanent Ban of the squadron... )

 

 

Good day pilots, it seems that it is a new trend today to shoot a parachute, it gives the impression of being a sign of humiliation towards the opponent, I remember the old days of 46 when they could ban you for doing that, the only thing that inspires is a certain degree of grief and sad for the little honor that exists today.

 

 

Many times I have read phrases from various virtual pilots saying: It is simply a game, in a game there is no honor, and things like that, however because in old days from the 1946 there was certain grade of respect for the opponent and why today it is not ?

 

Age differences, a new generation of pilots from other games. What do you think about it?

 

-S-

 

Im happy to see my screenshot of me being strafed on TAW is being used ?

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

7 minutes ago, -[HRAF]Ropalcz said:

 

Im happy to see my screenshot of me being strafed on TAW is being used ?

 

Well, the "3 lives rule" for TAW pretty much dictates that it is a valid tactic for victory on that server.  Hence, why I no longer care about TAW.

[JG7_X-Man]

I be honest I am OK either way - kill me on my chute or not, it won't prevent me from waking up the next day! 

2 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

Pilot losses on TAW are one of those mechanics that influences the outcome of the map extremely rarely. I've never seen a TAW map roll based on pilot losses, and even if they do, usually by the time you've lost that many pilots you are close to the aircraft limit and one more mission won't make the difference. If TAW didn't track pilot losses per side, almost nothing would change. Except on extremely hotly contested maps, even aircraft numbers seldom make the difference.

In the examples here, the pilot death/aircraft loss ratio means that both are likely to run out at the same time. That's unusual in the stats - usually aircraft losses occur much faster than pilot losses and run out first, if ever. Maybe if every pilot decided to chute kill at every opportunity things it would be different, or if pilot numbers were substantially reduced. Considering chute-killing involves a substantial risk there is no rational reason to do it with the current set up - better to get away from the area, rather than attract a bunch of enemies by showing your tracers halfway across the map. If you PK the guy but then get ganked yourself, you've accomplished nothing in the stats war. 


 

@RedKestrel That goes toward the 3 lives rule. So it does indeed matter.

[RedKestrel]

2 minutes ago, JG7_X-Man said:

 

@RedKestrel That goes toward the 3 lives rule. So it does indeed matter.

You can, at best, put 1 pilot out of the running for 20 hours...maybe...if the sides are balanced and he's on his last life. So you reduce someone's sorties for the evening, they will see you tomorrow - in the meantime, another guy hops in a fighter and takes off.

 

 

[CountZero]

If devs made pilot who can run from airplane after crash i bet there would be guys saying we need to be able to run over them with tanks and pilots  cant respawn for 5min ?

[SIA_Sp00k]

On 7/4/2020 at 5:03 AM, GOA_Karaya_VR said:

 

 

 

Quote from Speedwulf77:

 

 

 

 

Shame Shame Shame!

 

If only this had been done with a sunset behind it, it would have made a great poster   

Anyone have one with a sunset or must I, like everything else, go out there and do it myself?

 

 

Edited September 6, 2020 by TWC_Sp00k

[THERION]

Copy/Paste Parkinson Syndrome?

[Gambit21]

On 7/30/2020 at 12:59 AM, Tipsi said:

Chute killers: Scumbags.

 

Simple as.

 

Ehh...

I've never done it, nor would I, and I wouldn't LOVE it if someone did it to me...but it wouldn't ruin my evening either.

At worst it's obnoxious or unsportsmanlike like...but then that happened in real life too.

Somehow "scumbag" seems a bit strong for someone killing your fake little digital guy with his fake little digital plane in a game where the whole point

is shooting at each other's fake little digital planes (with the fake little digital guy inside of it)

That's just me.

 

Now years and years ago I did get really pissed off at a guy on my same side who shot me one time because he perceived that I stole his kill.

That did piss me off...so I just banned him from my CoOps. Way worse than shooting an enemy chute IMHO.

[JG7_X-Man]

6 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

You can, at best, put 1 pilot out of the running for 20 hours...maybe...if the sides are balanced and he's on his last life. So you reduce someone's sorties for the evening, they will see you tomorrow - in the meantime, another guy hops in a fighter and takes off.

 

 

Gotcha! I am with you now 

[Dukethejuke]

Maybe the parachutists the use of the 45 or Lugar maybe they will think twice? Lucky shot maybe?

[ITAF_Gerry_Lil_Rocket]

On 7/5/2020 at 3:11 AM, JG27*AD said:

Chute Shooters are low-down dirty, mean, scalawags, yellow-bellied snake crawlers, chumps, chimps, dunderheads, grifters, pissants, sneaky skunks, tosspotts, and all-around poor sports!!

 

As an admin on the old War Clouds server in 1946, it was with great pleasure and privilege to expel them from the server.

 

Salute !!

AD

 just be killed on Wol after bailing out. not a fair behaviour to me, not necessary and I 'm wondering what really means the fair play index. After this happen  I feel myself far far away from fair play...? This is a game for sure and I'm not gonna loose my sleep for this but in some way I like to think this as a different game involving effort, study, discipline, team works and so on and ,at the end, all positive things. So why allows very few motherfucker players to ruin the general good spirit and feeling I've found in this community? Just because they are frustrated and in rl they are not worth a s..t? In TAW maybe there is a reason for such a behaviour ( that need quick correction imho) but elsewhere not..

 

On 7/4/2020 at 9:29 PM, CountZero said:

In CloD if i remenber correctly pilot is not shotable when hes on parachute and no problems, devs can make problem go away by doing same here, there is no point in promoting shoting players in chutes its just sorce of bad blode online, and even if your aganst it youll start doing it as some one did it to you.

Also problem with vulching could be fixed by devs by making one short range and long range flak unit for each side that can be 100% accurate, so mission maker can just place 1-2 of them on spawn bases and no more complains about it also, as now you cant place realistic number of flaks in missions and even if you have 20 of them per base big damage can be done before they even hit anything at high skill.

2 main sorces of bad blode in MP solved by simple options.

 simple and working solutions

 

[GOA_AveFenix506*VR*]

On 8/29/2020 at 3:47 PM, ITAF_Gerry_Lil_Rocket said:

. So why allows very few motherfucker players to ruin the general good spirit and feeling I've found in this community? Just because they are frustrated and in rl they are not worth a s..t? In TAW maybe there is a reason for such a behaviour ( that need quick correction imho) but elsewhere not..

 

 simple and working solutions

 

 

Maybe some day Chimango and other players like him can answer.

[Talisman]

Perhaps all this shooting is historical accuracy, lol.

 

I don't care for it, I don't do it and don't like it when it happens, but it did happen in real life because that is human behaviour. 

 

Happy landings,

 

56RAF_Talisman

Edited October 30, 2020 by 56RAF_Talisman