IAR 80/81

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Yes, but Soviet Union is not exactly an example one should follow. TSAGI was a great institution for research and development, but to afford all the facilities like that would be impossible for a country like Romania. Not to mention, that in many ways Soviet industry was behind and to improve that industrial espinoge was carried. 

Having a research institute with wind tunnels, engine test benches and other stuff was beyond many other, richer countries.

 

Thing that I'd definitely look into would be complete redesign of exhaust system to take full advantage of exhaust (so called jet) thrust. Romanians wanted BMW 601, they should have start with studying 190 front fuselage design, particularly engine cowling since that was a key to reduction of drag of radial engine airplane and cowling flap design. Germans managed to hide everything important and unimportant inside, leaving airflow as clean as possible. Plus exhaust thrust was giving full benefit.   

[Jason_Williams]

The IAR-80/81 is not possible in the current plan. We've already stated this. We'd like it, but no resources to make it. 

 

Jason

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

It would be cool to at least get a glance into the important FM Parameters to allow for Community Contributions though. 

[Cybermat47]

Sure, I'd buy that. The more new aircraft the better

[Falco_Peregrinus]

 Italy required German assistance with inline engines as well, despite quite decent experience they had with their industry. 

 

 

Yup.

We had quite some amazing engines in 1937, among them probably the most powerful radial engine in the world at that time, in the Alfa Romeo 135 "Tornado" at 1600cv. It had a great potential, but our amazing chiefs always discarded engines when they were not "great" as soon as they went into production.

It's a mentality that still is present. We are not very fond of "improving" or slowly create an evolutionary path. 

That engine, solved its problems, could have been an amazing engine for a fighter similar to a FW190.

 

As per inline engines, Isotta Fraschini Asso XI at 900cv was in the same league as the Hispanos installed in the D.520 or Moranes.

The Fiat AS.6 was able to put out 3000 cv, albeit as a racing engine.

There were quite great 24 cylinders W engines from Isotta Fraschini as well.

The capacity to build good inline engines and having good engineers was there.

What was not there was the Regia Aeronautica's vision about the next war.

Since 1934 they told industries to discard the inline engines development and to concentrate on radials (and then the improvements on these was slow as hell).

 

When in 1940 we discovered that the enemy had faster planes, then, whooo, Regia Aeronautica, actually the newly appointed Chief of Staff, General Pricolo (who was a good commander, too bad he was not put in charge earlier...) immediately asked the germans the possibility to buy the license for the 601. Just because there was not at all time to develop a new engine from scratch or to develop what already was present.

 

The problem was in the planning, not in the capacity. We could build engines. We still can build amazing engines to this day.

 

Anyway, really off topic.

Too bad about the IAR not coming though

 

Edited January 28, 2017 by Falco-Peregrinus

[150GCT_Veltro]

The IAR-80/81 is not possible in the current plan. We've already stated this. We'd like it, but no resources to make it. 

 

Jason

 

This is like to say that preorders are not enough to cover the budget......

.sad.

[unreasonable]

Sad that we cannot get this - Il-2 needs a Rumanian themed video like this:

 

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Nice looking Radial right there.
Great model work also.

But Thats brings up another question.
What does the game use for modeling program?
 

[typer]

"Inspiration" is to put it gently. They pretty much copied the rudder, tailfin and rear fuselage 1:1.

 

...just inspiration, on prototype rudder was similar, but they redesigned it starting with IAR80 no1.

[Bizu]

The IAR-80/81 is not possible in the current plan. We've already stated this. We'd like it, but no resources to make it. 

 

Jason

 

Would that change if someone would sponsor the project?

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I'd venture that it's a time constraint. You could throw all the money in the world at the team, but there'd still only be a small number of people with a certain amount of hours to dedicate to developing the franchise. The people responsible for aircraft creation are working on the last aircraft of BOK, and when they're done I believe they'll go straight to Midway's aircraft.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

That low wing loading....mmmmmmmmmm.

 

This would be a great addition in place of yet another 109 variant.

[elrazo]

Please allow me to add my 2 cents to the IAR80 wailing wall. I have to say from the onset that I am Romanian. My grandfather was an IAR80/81 pilot and instructor (my uncle as well). Covered both fronts from Stalingrad Aug 1942 to Czechoslovakia May 1945. I have his original logbook and playing his missions with the 109E as a proxy. So, biased by definition. However, I have to say it as well. The IAR80/81 is a historically significant airplane. Would make a great addition to an already great simulator. Would also like to be able to play one day the battle(s) of Ploiesti.

I am also wiling to sponsor (part of) the development if it comes to that. Agree, money is not the (only) issue.

Regardless, keep going on with the great job you're doing. I'm playing BoS and BoM (in VR only) for months now and is really great fun! The only match I found so far is DCS but they don't go that much into WW2. Well done guys! Hope my cry is not in vane ;-)

[sniperton]

My 2 cents too. I can't sponsor it, but I'd buy it as a collector plane.

[BlitzPig_EL]

It's an instant buy for me as well.

 

Trust me, it's better to have Jaws2002 as your wingman than as your opponent.

Edited November 1, 2017 by BlitzPig_EL

[LukeFF]

To make it worthwhile (especially with the new career mode coming) for single-player play, though, you'd need to model a Romanian pilot, record Romanian voices, model a handful of ground vehicles, etc. I just don't see that happening.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

To make it worthwhile (especially with the new career mode coming) for single-player play, though, you'd need to model a Romanian pilot, record Romanian voices, model a handful of ground vehicles, etc. I just don't see that happening.

 

To be fair, they didn't create an Italian pilot, record Italian voices, model ground vehicles or anything else to represent the Macchi in the sim.

 

I do know what you're saying though - one of the selling points of BOX is the "full package" approach to aircraft/assets/maps/campaigns - a Romanian warbird without Romanian assets would certainly irk the already numerous people who seek minor nuances to whine about.

[Alexmarine]

To be fair, they didn't create an Italian pilot, record Italian voices, model ground vehicles or anything else to represent the Macchi in the sim.

 

I do know what you're saying though - one of the selling points of BOX is the "full package" approach to aircraft/assets/maps/campaigns - a Romanian warbird without Romanian assets would certainly irk the already numerous people who seek minor nuances to whine about.

I don't see much of a problem honestly, technically apart from the plane itself we don't have any italian assets in the game. Moreover I would not be surprised that in the new career we will not have some of the Romanians squadrons using the Bf-109 E-7 in the Stalingrad area... Part of the map during the careers technically would already also require romanian assets (same for the italian ones).

 

If it's not coming it's more because of budget/schedule reason than anything else. Let's wait for the G-6/FN preorders for now

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I don't see much of a problem honestly, technically apart from the plane itself we don't have any italian assets in the game. Moreover I would not be surprised that in the new career we will not have some of the Romanians squadrons using the Bf-109 E-7 in the Stalingrad area... Part of the map during the careers technically would already also require romanian assets (same for the italian ones).

 

If it's not coming it's more because of budget/schedule reason than anything else. Let's wait for the G-6/FN preorders for now

 

I don't recall having said there was a problem - I only rephrased what Luke said and reciprocated it back to him.

 

Don't need to explain resources/budgeting/scheduling to me... I'm aware... And many of us have been waiting for news on the introduction of the IAR a lot longer than we have for the G-6.

Edited November 1, 2017 by Space_Ghost

[Danziger]

I don't think there are American or British pilot models and voices either. That stuff can always be fleshed out later.

 

I really hope the plans for the future being discussed in the last DD could be a break between BoK and BoMidway to make a few more collector planes or a package of planes to fill out the eastern front set a little more before leaving for the warm sun and cruise ships of the Pacific.

 

I would bet IAR would be on top of the list of axis fighters.

[LukeFF]

To be fair, they didn't create an Italian pilot, record Italian voices, model ground vehicles or anything else to represent the Macchi in the sim.

 

I do know what you're saying though - one of the selling points of BOX is the "full package" approach to aircraft/assets/maps/campaigns - a Romanian warbird without Romanian assets would certainly irk the already numerous people who seek minor nuances to whine about.

 

Very true. I was just thinking that, when compared side-by-side, the Romanians had a more sizeable presence in the air in the East than the Italians (and even more so when comparing the IAR 80 to the MC 202), so it would be more justification to add more than just the IAR 80 itself. 

 

I don't think there are American or British pilot models and voices either. That stuff can always be fleshed out later.

 

What in the world does that have to to with the maps and planes we have right now? 

[Danziger]

What in the world does that have to to with the maps and planes we have right now?

Just as much as not having Italian pilots and voices has to do with it?

 

We have Italian plane without dedicated pilot models and voices.

 

We also have American and British planes without the dedicated pilots and voices.

 

I'm just saying it wouldn't be a stretch to get the IAR first and use German pilot and voice in the meantime.

[Alexmarine]

I don't recall having said there was a problem - I only rephrased what Luke said and reciprocated it back to him.

 

 

Probably I misjudged the meaning of your post (and phrased mine badly). My bad Edited November 1, 2017 by Alexmarine28

[LukeFF]

Just as much as not having Italian pilots and voices has to do with it?

 

We have Italian plane without dedicated pilot models and voices.

 

We also have American and British planes without the dedicated pilots and voices.

 

I'm just saying it wouldn't be a stretch to get the IAR first and use German pilot and voice in the meantime.

You apparently aren't getting it. British and American voices aren't needed, because obviously the game isn't simulating a theater where said pilots flew. Big difference between that and the IAR 80.

[sniperton]

We already have German planes which were historically flown by Romanian or Hungarian pilots (hence the official skins for them).

Unfortunately creating voicepacks is way more difficult for BoX than it was for 1946.

When we come to the Pacific, the devs will have to create an American and a Japanese voicepack, but I doubt that we'll get anything else any sooner.

Edited November 2, 2017 by sniperton

[BlitzPig_EL]

I just hope the Japanese voice overs are really speaking Japanese, not the "fake" Japanese that was used originally in IL2.

[sniperton]

Never noticed, for me it was all Greek. I understand that voicepacks are important for immersion, but the more authentic-sounding they are, the more perplexing they can be for non-native speakers. For me the British voicepack was harder to understand than the Italian one, although my English is significantly better than my Italian. The result was that I had to read what the heck was spoken about, just as you should read a translation if the voice comm were all Romanian or Hungarian. For the same reason I used to replace the Japanese voicepack with the German one, since the Japanese talk (fake or not) didn't make any sense for me.

[Danziger]

You apparently aren't getting it. British and American voices aren't needed, because obviously the game isn't simulating a theater where said pilots flew. Big difference between that and the IAR 80.

Were there not British fighter units in Russia training the Russians on British planes?

 

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[Ghost666]

Just a thought, do we lose immersion when you can't understand the air controller or even your wing man. It would seem that for immersion it would be better to listen to a audio signal then to have to read it. 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

So far on these Forums only one Character has stormed into my our TS and yelled at us, calling us Vulchers, F-Words, Jews, A-Word as well as People of Blackness.

 

And so far only one Person has discontinued it's affiliation with us, after we were Putin things all the politically incorrect ways, especially we were Putin Putin everywhere.

 

Apart from that

[707shap_Srbin]

 

 

Were there not British fighter units in Russia training the Russians on British planes?

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/sheppard/hurricanes/index.htm

 

RAF pilots of 151 Fighter Wing flew over USSR and claimed some victories. But their presence on Eastern Front was very short (only autumn 1941). 

[MrFLY]

Hello guys!

 

Can we make a fund raiser for development of the plane?

 

I would buy the plane if that were available.

 

Regards

[Vig]

I would buy this instantly. 

[ACG_Smokejumper]

Late to the thread but it looks cool. I'd buy it for sure.

[crristy19712]

Hi guys...today i want to discuss about this 2 Roumanian fighters...IL-2 without this planes is not full or Italian Bomber Savoia...corect?

[Finkeren]

There have been countless threads about that fighter. Basically I think most of us would agree, that it would be a nice collector’s plane to have, but with no Romanian radio comms or any other things to support the aircraft, the SP experience will be sorta limited as is the case with the MC.202. 

 

Also: With BoBP currently in development, and many people looking towards the Pacific after that, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for loads of GPW content (sadly, as it is objectively the best setting for a WW2 flight sim) We’ll get the Po-2 and hopefully a slow dripple of aircraft to flesh out the existing plane set, but it will be small numbers and far between releases.

[crristy19712]

Wrong...it is manny Roumanian gamers in IL-2 or others old IL-2...can be made easy  radio comms...still alive veterans of WW II or engineers in country ho can help to build good plane in game! Battles of Stalingrad or Moscow...without this planes is empty...for us players,and for accurate history!

[Finkeren]

As I said: I’d love to have it. Just don’t get your hopes up, before there is any reason to.

 

And the problem with radio comms is not hiring a voice actor but the recording. The devs don’t have a recording studio, and apparently just making the the radio comms that we have now was a pain and a half and quite expensive for them.

[crristy19712]

And nobody forgott the Roumanian Pilots ho fight against allmoust all Country in the world in the sky...except Japan and South America...US air force ,British,Germany and in special URSS nows well this pilots ...

in Forgotten Battles IL-2 it is radio comms in Roumanian language...

Edited August 22, 2018 by crristy19712

[JG5_Zesphr]

considering the eastern front is almost done for the time being in the air, there is little chance of it coming anytime soon especially when they have all the western planes to develop along with the tanks and WW1 as well. Although it did see combat in the west there are far more common aircraft that are of better choice especially with the lack of attackers currently in BoBP it really does not need another fighter