IAR 80/81

[Y-29.Silky]

IAR should have been added long ago, it did appear in the battle of stalingrad. 

[Fauster]

Didn't know much about the IAR 80 and its variants. Decided to go full engineering student and become an expert overnight and I have to say I will be a very sad panda if this beaut isn't added. Just took the 80 and 81c for a spin in '46 against a veteran Yak-1 then Yak-1b to compare and glorious full on dogfighting was experienced.

 

Going off the '46 FM's, the non M105pf yak-1 had no chance once I put the Romanian radial on his six. But 4 brownings sure use a lot of ammo to shoot anything down.

 

For a more BoS-y scenario I put the 81c against the 1b and this was a much tougher fight:

 

o The roll rate of the IAR is a godsend in combination with a turn rate that feels on par with the 1b.

o You could feel the parachute like drag of that stupid bomb rack though so the 1b was definitely faster. I sense 190 tactics being used on the IAR by the VVS if this plane comes in the future.

o The climb rates were surprisingly comparable at least from my experience. I could go vertical with the 1b without losing much of an advantage. However I was barely able to keep the engine temps within their limits doing so.

o With liberal usage of combat flaps and once or twice dropping to take off flaps I was able to gain the advantage in 2/3 rolling scissor engagements. The one I didn't win involved the 1b starting with a much higher e advantage and he got to land a few hits but the rugged Romanian kept on brawling

o Shooting over the friggin' beak of this plane makes deflection shots in the La5 look easy. Could have won the fight much sooner if I had hit the easy gun solutions

o Speaking of vision, love the cockpit of this bird. Rear visibility is unfortunately maybe 10% better than a 109 with the rear plate but the layout and side/forward is straight 190

 

Conclusion: 1C take my money

[Fauster]

And after a few more flights in '46, I can say there isn't a plane in BoS or BoM that the IAR shouldn't be able to tangle with. AI in the MiG-3 AM38 gave me the hardest time since it flew the MiG like a 109.

 

I-16 was a very fun fight. The IAR looks to be able to knife fight not too badly even against the Rata.

 

La-5 flown by a smart player would probably be the IAR's bane but it seems the AI thinks the 3200 kg Lavochkin has a chance in a pure angles fight with the 2700 kg Romanian Zero

 

P-40E or LaGG-3 ser. 29 vs the IAR? Probably bad AI strategy again but damn... no competition

 

I think the IAR could give us a few things:

 

A plane that may make some of the soviet aces want to come fly for the luftwaffe for a little bit as it offers a possibly similar feel to the Yak and a bit of challenge as well since "is not OP not stalling 109 helicopter"

 

A plane that will allow new luftwaffe players to actually smoke a couple unknowing Yak pilots if the Yak tries to do a pure turn fight with the IAR. I mean a few still haven't learned that "drop flap, stick to lap" don't work on the E7

 

And a plane for weirdos like me who want to fly all the planes that no one else really flies

 

(Yes I did make this signature and profile pic change just for this thread) 

[150GCT_Veltro]

It's a bit sad we have a so limited budget for this sim, first of all considering how Yak-1b has been released: really in a few time and with a very high quality standard.

 

IAR-80 is a must to have because of Stalingard and ETO, but we would need also Macchi 200 that's would be really fun to play versus Rata, and historicall correct as well.

 

This team has a very strong (capable) business planning, i hope 1C could (better) understand this.

[Gambit21]

And after a few more flights in '46, I can say there isn't a plane in BoS or BoM that the IAR shouldn't be able to tangle with. AI in the MiG-3 AM38 gave me the hardest time since it flew the MiG like a 109.

 

With respect, using the old sim's flight models to evaluate the IAR's capabilities against real world opponents, or opponents in the new sim isn't well advised.

[Fauster]

With respect, using the old sim's flight models to evaluate the IAR's capabilities against real world opponents, or opponents in the new sim isn't well advised.

 

Well yes of course. Unfortunately '46 the only sim in my library with an IAR though, just sharing some anecdotal thoughts. I relish the thought of how a IAR would perform in this version of IL-2 as well as being able to hear the soundtrack of another radial beast in this game.

 

And speaking of radials, MC200 as well please! 12.7 mm spaghetti gets such a bad rep but I don't mind the performance of the guns on the 202. We got the Italian sports car hardtop now we just need the Cabriolet 

[Gambit21]

I have to admit I'm completely ignorant about that aircraft - looks cool though. 

[TheNotoriousFNG]

Perhaps it'll show up as another single plane purchase, but we'll see. I'll happily throw my money at pretty much anything the devs release!

[Fauster]

Did some number crunching and using the numbers from '46 for the IAR and the numbers from BoS for the other planes I have com up with this:

 

                 Power to weight (Hp/Kg)         Wing Loading (Kg/m^2)

IAR 81a              0.3799                                     169.1

Yak-1                  0.4229                                     171.0

LaGG-3              0.3928                                     180.3

P-40E           0.3849/0.3011                               174.2

                       (Max/Take off)

 

Also from '46 the sea level top speed in 480 km/h and a max speed of 540 km/h at 7000m

From BoS the P-40E does 494 km/h at sea level with a max speed of 601 km/h at 5000m

 

So the IAR should have speeds similar to a P40, acceleration and climb a little less than the LaGG-3, and a turn performance similar to a Yak-1. Sounds like a blast to me!

Edited November 18, 2016 by II/JG17_Fauster

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Every time I look at the IAR 80/81 I can only think of the Hughes H-1 Racer. I mean, they're probably twins:

 

 

[150GCT_Veltro]

What a pic....

[Falco_Peregrinus]

What a pic....

 

the italian-romanian connection!

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

The more I look at one the more I want one. IAR just must make it at some point !

[Dakpilot]

Loved the IAR in IL-2 46, deserves a place in BoS

 

I remember an old mission/campaign that pitted you against various combatants in an 'arena' style combat? 

 

for some reason I always 'picture' Terry Thomas as a typical IAR 80/81 Pilot 

 

personally I always prefered lower performance aircraft matchups than the later war La 7/Yak 3/P 51/D9/K4. etc. high performance A/C

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Jaws2002]

I'll buy two.

 

 

 

 

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[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Yeah, I'd open my wallet for IAR-81 any day. What a cool aircraft it is. 

[unreasonable]

Me too - it looks very good in a slightly boy-racerish Latin sort of way.

[Juri_JS]

There's a Crimea map?

[SYN_Vorlander]

Must have.

Edited January 25, 2017 by SYN_Vorlander

[Soarfeat]

Paying for two kids in college and still would buy this --drool, drool !!!

cheers-sf-

[unreasonable]

There's a Crimea map?

 

I think he means the Odessa map?

[Danziger]

Hideous. It's like a 190 raped a Corsair and this is what happened. 

 

We definitely must have it!

[Jaws2002]

I think he means the Odessa map?

 

 

 Ah, you are right. It's Odessa.

 Even more appropriate.

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

This is actually one of my favorites from il2-1946 series. But hmm looking at the design, where was the Center of Gravity on this aircraft or center axis? Seeing as the pilot sat behind the wing, its kind of interesting. P.S. I would definitely buy in as well

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I have no clue what to Expect from it. What is the Performance Data on it? Speed, Climb, what is the Altitude Sweetspot? For me it's in the same Category as 109E and I-16. 

[150GCT_Veltro]

+1

 

Romanians are absolutely needed in the ETO.

 

Good choice IAR81C.

 

We know the Team would like have a Romanian itself too, soo....we can still hope.

[A-E-Hartmann]

I would not be against it. I will be ready to pay for this pretty cuckoo .

[DD_Arthur]

I'll take the IAR81 and Hurricane Mk. II as collector planes please

[pilotpierre]

I will buy whatever they put out just to help keep them alive.

[CUJO_1970]

This would be an instant purchase for me.

[Jaws2002]

I have no clue what to Expect from it. What is the Performance Data on it? Speed, Climb, what is the Altitude Sweetspot? For me it's in the same Category as 109E and I-16. 

 

 

 It's about there in performance. Close to the Emil.  A German Major, who flew the plane in 1941 said it was pretty close to the Emil. Similar climb with the Bf109E up to 5000 meters, similar turn. Takeoff and landing are very good, 20-30km/h slower than the 109.   slower in dive, due to the manual prop pitch control. 

    

 This model is made for Warthunder. 

Edited January 25, 2017 by Jaws2002

[szelljr]

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2005/01/stuff_eng_profile_iar80.htm

[ShamrockOneFive]

I flew the IAR80/81 a bunch in IL-2: 1946 and it was a lot of fun. The guys tended to call it a Romanian FW190 because of the wing cannons and the radial engine but really it was more like the Bf109E in performance. I really liked the plane and I would love to see the current generation of engine tackle this plane at some point. Would be great to see.

 

I'd definitely buy it. No questions.

[Jaws2002]

   Back in Il-2, If they had the IAR in the plane roster, I'd fly it no matter what other planes they had in there. Had tons of fun fighting LA-7's and late war monsters in the IAR. The C version had some mean guns and tons of ammo, so was still dangerous for anyone used to outturn other late war planes.

 

I don't fly much in Warthunder. Mostly fool around with the tanks in the mud, but I'll buy this one the moment is released. 

 

 IAR-81 made at BOS standards, I'd buy five.  

 

A cockpit shot:

 

 

screenshot windows 7

 

 

 

 

You can see the development progress here:

 

http://live.warthunder.com/user/NovA29R/

Edited January 25, 2017 by Jaws2002

[Monostripezebra]

It´s a really interesting plane.. I would feel much more motivated getting BoK with this then with just the G4 and another heinkel which I find ok, but rather "meh". I think the german side needs a bit fleshing out on the borders... to keep the balance better.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Hey Jaws!

 

You know I'd buy that in a heartbeat.

 

A really fun aircraft, and good as a mud mover as well.

 

[SYN_Speck]

No disrespect intended, each has his/her own interests. More aircraft would be great, but we already have some variety. Personally, I'd sooner pay for a Crimea map than another aircraft. For me, a wider variety of terrain would bring more interest.

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

This is developing into one of the nicest IAR's I have ever seen in a *cough WT cough* simulation. Honestly, I would buy it, but if it were offered along with an Li-2 for a collector plane, I would buy the Li-2 first. Now that the LW has a way to drop troops and resupply, it seems only logical for the VVS to have the same opportunity. It is a lovely looking model though!

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

This is developing into one of the nicest IAR's I have ever seen in a *cough WT cough* simulation. Honestly, I would buy it, but if it were offered along with an Li-2 for a collector plane, I would buy the Li-2 first. Now that the LW has a way to drop troops and resupply, it seems only logical for the VVS to have the same opportunity. It is a lovely looking model though!

I like the IAR.81 + Hurricane Mk.  II Idea. The Li-2 would probably be a Joint Development with the C-47 and thus maybe after Kuban, going into the Pacific as something like an Interrim?

 

However, I would like to see an Il-4 before that. I think it's the most desperately needed Aircraft on the Russian Side at this point.

Edited January 26, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[Finkeren]

I would buy this in an instant. Finally something that would make flying Axis genuinely fun.