I-16 Flaps

[TAIPAN_]

I noticed the aircraft specs state flaps can be extended to 53 degrees.

 

However after 53 degrees I can keep extending them all the way to 60 degrees (confirmed moving in external view).

The gauge also shows 60 degrees.

 

Are the specs out of date, or is the gauge not matching the degrees correctly?

 

Also does anyone know what the takeoff/landing procedures use for flaps in the original manuals? I've seen some tutorial videos like Requiems (no takeoff flaps & variable landing flaps) but curious what the real airshow pilots use on flaps, or what the manual has.

 

[Fritz_X]

If I'm not mistaken, the reason for this is that Russia uses a different degree system, where 400 degrees is the maximum value, compared to the more common 360 degree system. At least a math teacher of mine mentioned something along these lines, many years ago.

 

If you devide 60 degrees by 400 and 53 degrees by 360 it roughly gives you the same result, namely about 15%. I guess that the 60 degree shown on the I-16's gauges simply is the value that equals the 53 degrees of the common 360 degree system.

 

Anyone still feel free to correct me if my assumptions are wrong.

Edited May 25, 2020 by Fritz_X

[Pict]

1 hour ago, Fritz_X said:

If I'm not mistaken, the reason for this is that Russia uses a different degree system, where 400 degrees is the maximum value, compared to the more common 360 degree system. At least a math teacher of mine mentioned something along these lines, many years ago.

 

360 deg = 400 gra, so it looks like your memories of your math teacher are good. And as 53 deg = 58.8889 gra,  it is probable that the I-16 gauge is marked in Gradians.

 

 

Edited May 25, 2020 by Pict

[TAIPAN_]

That might explain it thanks guys.

Can anyone translate the text on top of the gauge?

[Phenazepam]

Guys you make my day!

In fact, Russia uses a different degree system, where 400 degrees is the maximum value in Russia there is a joke that in wartime the value of cosine can equal 2 or even 3.

 

The gauge just shows incorrect values. Will be fixed.

[40plus]

The bigger question here is how the frig are you seeing the gauges in an I-16?

I know they're there, I know they're telling me stuff but I'll be damned if I can scooch down enough to see them.

 

When flying an I-16, I just assume everything is fine until it isn't

[MattS]

16 minutes ago, pfrances said:

The bigger question here is how the frig are you seeing the gauges in an I-16?

 

 

In Soviet Union, gauges see you.

 

[AndyJWest]

27 minutes ago, pfrances said:

The bigger question here is how the frig are you seeing the gauges in an I-16?

I know they're there, I know they're telling me stuff but I'll be damned if I can scooch down enough to see them.

 

When flying an I-16, I just assume everything is fine until it isn't

 

Yeah, some things can definitely be a bit hard to see - like the ASI needle at low speeds. Rather important when landing, so I normally sit up in my chair before starting the approach, and reset my TrackIR. When I then move back down to a more normal position, this then puts my head lower in the cockpit. I can then see the ASI, but can't see the runway. ?

 

[Velxra]

Nice find @Dan_Taipan and thanks for the quick response Phenazepam, had a good laugh.

 

 

 

 

[Fritz_X]

2 hours ago, Phenazepam said:

Guys you make my day!

In fact, Russia uses a different degree system, where 400 degrees is the maximum value in Russia there is a joke that in wartime the value of cosine can equal 2 or even 3.

 

The gauge just shows incorrect values. Will be fixed.

 

Thanks for clearing this up.

 

And sorry for causing confusion with my answer, but it sounded pretty logical to me.

 

Again, it came from a math teacher of mine. I can actually remember now when he said it, it was when our class was supplied with new scientific calculators, which could be set to different units, including both degrees (360 max. value) and gradian (400 max. value). On the latter one he commented that we wouldn't need to use it, for it is only used in other countries, mentioning Russia as an example. Guess this was just a joke by him, or maybe him simply passing on misinformation.

 

This 'information' and the maximum value shown on the I-16's gauge and the 53 degrees from the planes description almost corresponding perfectly when compared in both degrees and gradian units simply led me to my false assumption.

 

Again, sorry for my wrong answer. And no, it was not intended as a 'in Soviet-Russia' cheap shot.

Edited May 25, 2020 by Fritz_X
Typos, my bad!

[TAIPAN_]

3 hours ago, Phenazepam said:

Guys you make my day!

In fact, Russia uses a different degree system, where 400 degrees is the maximum value in Russia there is a joke that in wartime the value of cosine can equal 2 or even 3.

 

The gauge just shows incorrect values. Will be fixed.

 

That explains it, I'm less confused now

 

Does anyone know the correct I-16 flaps setting for take off? Or it's no flaps?

 

[Phenazepam]

Yes take-off without flaps.

Moreover flaps often have been blocked probably because of their inefficiency. You can see in the specs in-game how much stall speed decreases when they are extended. Another fact: one of the plants produced I-16s entirely without flaps.

[Lusekofte]

4 minutes ago, Phenazepam said:

Yes take-off without flaps.

Moreover flaps often have been blocked probably because of their inefficiency. You can see in the specs in-game how much stall speed decreases when they are extended. Another fact: one of the plants produced I-16s entirely without flaps.

I use flaps if bombs are loaded. It make me feel a bit more “pilotish.”

thanks for info. Love the I 16

[BornToBattle]

16 minutes ago, Phenazepam said:

Yes take-off without flaps.

Moreover flaps often have been blocked probably because of their inefficiency. You can see in the specs in-game how much stall speed decreases when they are extended. Another fact: one of the plants produced I-16s entirely without flaps.

Ah yes. Explains while forgetfully flying in VR, I cracked my noggin good on the edge of my desk. Wife asked me later that evening while sitting on the couch what happened to my forehead. 

[TAIPAN_]

49 minutes ago, Phenazepam said:

Yes take-off without flaps.

Moreover flaps often have been blocked probably because of their inefficiency. You can see in the specs in-game how much stall speed decreases when they are extended. Another fact: one of the plants produced I-16s entirely without flaps.

 

Thanks, that explains why I suddenly lost control when popping my flaps out in a turn fight!

 

[gimpy117]

how much flap degrees should we put in comrade?

 

all of them 

[Ribbon]

I had a problem with something falling off during every takeoff, was suspecting on landing gear door due to speed and AOA.

Only after God knows how many sorties and flight hours in it i noticed i-16 had cockpit doors (until i took off with it?)!

 

[TAIPAN_]

7 minutes ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

I had a problem with something falling off during every takeoff, was suspecting on landing gear door due to speed and AOA.

Only after God knows how many sorties and flight hours in it i noticed i-16 had cockpit doors (until i took off with it?)!

 

 

I heard they were actually made with canopy originally, but pilots used to nail them open because of oil on the glass etc.

We must have the model where they stopped adding the useless canopy, so we just control the doors only

[Ribbon]

3 minutes ago, Dan_Taipan said:

 

I heard they were actually made with canopy originally, but pilots used to nail them open because of oil on the glass etc.

We must have the model where they stopped adding the useless canopy, so we just control the doors only

My squadmates: Ribbon something just fell off from your plane

Me: don't worry, that's normal!

[Borderlinewildwassa1]

Dan Taipan asked, "Can anyone translate the text on top of the gauge."

 

This Russian Cyrillic text  ... указатель угла закрылков, reads, without any littoral ambiguity for once, FLAP ANGLE INDICATOR. Russian text often needs a certain degree of littoral interpretation. 

Phonetically it sounds like, ukazatel' ugla zakrylkov.

 

I hope this help.

 

Warren.

 

Edited May 27, 2020 by wildwassa1

[TAIPAN_]

4 minutes ago, wildwassa1 said:

Dan Taipan asked, "Can anyone translate the text on top of the gauge."

 

This Russian Cyrillic text  ... указатель угла закрылков, reads, without any littoral ambiguity for once, FLAP ANGLE INDICATOR. Russian text often needs a certain degree of littoral interpretation. 

 

I hope this help.

 

Warren.

 

Thanks! Not very exciting but it makes sense

[Soilworker]

On 5/26/2020 at 3:03 PM, BornToBattle said:

Ah yes. Explains while forgetfully flying in VR, I cracked my noggin good on the edge of my desk. Wife asked me later that evening while sitting on the couch what happened to my forehead. 

 

Haven't quite done that but I've certainly strained something in my neck and suffered with that the following day. ?

[Plurp]

On 5/25/2020 at 2:39 PM, pfrances said:

The bigger question here is how the frig are you seeing the gauges in an I-16?

I know they're there, I know they're telling me stuff but I'll be damned if I can scooch down enough to see them.

 

When flying an I-16, I just assume everything is fine until it isn't

Under Pilot head control:  pilot head snap position custom (RShift +Numpad Decimal) is usually a default "look at the dashboard" snap view.  This binding can be reassigned and adjusted just like the other snap views.  

 

There is also an "upper" and "lower" snap view to make into what you want (i.e. look out at yak wing fuel gauge)

[MattS]

On 5/29/2020 at 5:34 PM, Plurp said:

Under Pilot head control:  pilot head snap position custom (RShift +Numpad Decimal) is usually a default "look at the dashboard" snap view.  This binding can be reassigned and adjusted just like the other snap views.  

 

Yes, this is what I use in the I-16.

 

On 5/29/2020 at 5:34 PM, Plurp said:

There is also an "upper" and "lower" snap view to make into what you want (i.e. look out at yak wing fuel gauge)

 

Brilliant - I'm definitely going to create a view for looking at the Yak tanks!

[ADorante]

On 5/27/2020 at 7:46 AM, wildwassa1 said:

Russian text often needs a certain degree of littoral interpretation. 

 

littoral comes from the latin word litoris for coast and means something like "concerning the coast".

 

Maybe you literally meant "literally"?

[Borderlinewildwassa1]

Yes, thank you ADorante. Littoral 'beside the shore'.

 

I think that I must have been half asleep then ... from spending too much time on the Finnish Virtual Pilot's Server. Or, having twisted my brain into knots, trying to remember the variations of even simple Russian words. I'm sure that this has been affecting my English.