Nvidia versus Radeon for this game?

[KPnutskgwanchos]

Looking back it seems that Nvidia cards are the go to for IL2 series and Radeon is the poorer cousin that has to play catchup regards testing bug fixes etc. Is it also considered that in general the game performs and "looks" better on Nvidia cards?

 

Im only asking as Ive always gone with Radeon out of brand loyalty and bang for buck but Im wondering if the development of this game is more Nvidia centric because most of you use Nvidia cards for whatever reason?

 

Any thoughts ?         

[BlitzPig_EL]

It was ever thus in the whole IL2 series, dating back the the original IL2.  AMD owners were always the ones having issues with drivers, graphical anomalies, etc, at far higher rates than Nvidia users did.  The trend continues.

[Stoopy]

It wasn't just in the IL2 series.  I was a devout AMD Radeon consumer but  Microsoft FSX also had issues with Radeon series cards which convinced me to make the switch back to NVidia. 

 

Actually it's more like DirectX and Radeon is not-so-good-juju.

 

[Elem]

Funny you should ask that. I have always been a user of AMD since my first Diamond Monster 3D card. I must have had about 6-7 between then and now and not had any driver issues or graphic anomalies, and I have been more than happy with the performance. The latest giving me 60+ FPS average on a 4K 40" monitor all maxed out on Ultra settings. However, this one has failed under warranty, overheating. The dealer, Ebuyer has lost my card and sent me back one that is a refurbished different brand and model saying I sent that to them and therefore not honouring the warranty. But I digress! So I am now at the point of going over to Nvidia and will order the Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8GB GAMING OC Turing GPU any day now. The price difference is narrowing and they do appear from reviews to run cooler.

[Jaegermeister]

I had been running GeForce cards for the last 10 years at least. I think my last 3. I just "upgraded to a 8mb AMD card because it was in the top 10 performance wise, relatively inexpensive, and in stock which is not always the case. It runs great but yes, now there are driver issues.

 

It is minor for me at the moment and I am sure they will get it worked out, but it never happened with the GeForce cards.  If I have to go back and shop again so be it.

[KPnutskgwanchos]

19 minutes ago, Elem said:

Funny you should ask that. I have always been a user of AMD since my first Diamond Monster 3D card. I must have had about 6-7 between then and now and not had any driver issues or graphic anomalies, and I have been more than happy with the performance. The latest giving me 60+ FPS average on a 4K 40" monitor all maxed out on Ultra settings. However, this one has failed under warranty, overheating. The dealer, Ebuyer has lost my card and sent me back one that is a refurbished different brand and model saying I sent that to them and therefore not honouring the warranty. But I digress! So I am now at the point of going over to Nvidia and will order the Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8GB GAMING OC Turing GPU any day now. The price difference is narrowing and they do appear from reviews to run cooler.

Wow the GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8GB  is some serious card by the looks but  puts quite a dent in the wallet ! ... I spent 100 pounds on a used Sapphire RX580 when I came back to see where IL2 has got to 6 months back and I get to run mostly on ulta settings.  Ive never spent top dollar on cards, mostly because I cant justify it against what I earn and my family responsibilities but Also I just cant believe that IL2 would look 5 times better if I spent 5 times more. Having said that I imagine there is every possibility it would look 5 times better on a 40" 4k monitor! ....  Something I can only dream of at the moment !..... What would you say is the best bang for buck Nvidia card around the RX580 performance level?    

 

Edited May 21, 2020 by KPnutskgwanchos

[Elem]

To my mind, it's about setting your budget, shortlisting 3-4 of both brands then reading LOTS of reviews. You may not understand the complexities of the reviews (I don't) but you build up a picture in your head of pros and cons and one will just rise to the top of your list. There is a performance increase with price but there is a point where you have to spend a lot more for little gain, so it is all about finding that sweet spot at the top of your budget.

[KPnutskgwanchos]

11 minutes ago, Elem said:

To my mind, it's about setting your budget, shortlisting 3-4 of both brands then reading LOTS of reviews. You may not understand the complexities of the reviews (I don't) but you build up a picture in your head of pros and cons and one will just rise to the top of your list. There is a performance increase with price but there is a point where you have to spend a lot more for little gain, so it is all about finding that sweet spot at the top of your budget.

 

Totally agree Elem ... I actually quite enjoy the research side and if you do a good job then there is a budget for every level. At least I have a lot of eye candy to look forward to when time and money allows. I think it looks pretty stunning now especially when I look back to 1946 days! .....  Guess waiting a few more days for AMD fixes isn't the end of the world       :-)

[THERION]

 

The difference of the NVIDIA and AMD (formerly ATI) isn't a question of hardware technology. Sure for a very long time NVIDIA was

the unquestionably leader on the market, but ATI (now AMD) managed to catch up. The main problem with AMD was and still is their

bad driver management.

 

With their driver politics they always managed to sabotage their own success and a lot of people I know (including moi!) moved to
the NVIDIA fraction, even knowing they have to spend more money for an equivalent graphic card. If a producer wants to compete

by offering their cards to a lower price is one method to gain customers and establish a good position on the market - but with a bad

driver management, everything achieved market wise sets them a step back.

 

It was always a question about drivers and as we can see again still is. I feel sorry for all those fellows owning a AMD card and I know

what I'm talking about. Sad.

[Livai]

Nvidia User had issue with this Game, too

 

[Read here]

Nvidia Graphics Issues Post Here

[THERION]

Just now, Livai said:

Nvidia User had issue with this Game, too

 

[Read here]

Nvidia Graphics Issues Post Here

 

Correct, but it was also related to old cards with older technology. NVIDIA had far less problems related with drivers.

Don't take me wrong - I do not want to lobby and brand nor technology, but the last maybe 15 years ATI cards very

often "excelled" with their driver politics.

[Lusekofte]

I was using nvidia from the start. And except for one particular card (780) The brand have cept being unproblematic for all flightsims. 
I do however appreciate people buying amd and keep competition on the marked.  
I know many of them have little to no problem, But for me I pay extra for getting little less problems. 

[Elem]

13 minutes ago, KPnutskgwanchos said:

Totally agree Elem ... I actually quite enjoy the research side and if you do a good job then there is a budget for every level. At least I have a lot of eye candy to look forward to when time and money allows. I think it looks pretty stunning now especially when I look back to 1946 days! .....  Guess waiting a few more days for AMD fixes isn't the end of the world       :-)

 

Yes, patience is its own reward. I have been without my GPU a month now waiting for this warranty issue to be resolved, but I should hear today if they are going to compensate me in any way. What exactly is the issue with yours?

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

I have an AMD Radeon R9 390 8Gb card and never had issues. Following last update clouds render something like this.

 

[KPnutskgwanchos]

1 minute ago, Elem said:

 

Yes, patience is its own reward. I have been without my GPU a month now waiting for this warranty issue to be resolved, but I should hear today if they are going to compensate me in any way. What exactly is the issue with yours?

No problem with mine at the moment Elem other than the game update issues currently being looked at for AMD cards. It just prompted me to start considering my next GPU purchase and I thought I would canvas for latest thinking on Nvidia over AMD . I guess its the beginning of a research process which will probably take me some considerable time. Perhaps by the time Im done you will be looking to sell that RTX 2070 to me for 100 pounds!      

[ICDP]

So much poor advice and reasoning in such a small thread.  Ironically it just like Nvidia's user interface, stuck in the 90s. 

 

AMD driver issues are no worse or better than Nvidia and in fact their driver GUI and entire software experience has been far better than Nvidia for a few years.  If you want higher end GPUs Nvidia is the clear choice, but go down to mainstream and AMD tend to have better software and better performance per dollar.  For example a 5700XT costs ~$50 less than an RTX 2060s and runs ~10% faster.

 

• Built in overclocking
• Much more advanced and slicker GUI with more options and customisations for the user.
• Built in metrics and game overlays

I have an RTX 2080 and a 5700XT on another PC.  There really is no contest on who has the best driver and software right now and it ain't Nvidia.

Edited May 21, 2020 by ICDP

[KPnutskgwanchos]

10 minutes ago, ICDP said:

So much poor advice and reasoning in such a small thread.  It's like reading a GPU thread from the 90s.

 

AMD driver issues are no worse or better than Nvidia and in fact their driver GUI and entire software experience has been far better than Nvidia for a few years.  If you want higher end GPUs Nvidia is the clear choice, but go down to mainstream and AMD tend to have better software and better performance per dollar.

• Built in overclocking
• Much more advanced and slicker GUI with more options and customisations for the user.
• Built in metrics and game overlays

I have an RTX 2080 and a 5700XT on another PC.  There really is no contest on who has the best driver and software right now and it ain't Nvidia.

 

Aside from your unnecessarily insulting first sentence thank you for your opinion .... it all goes in the mix  

[ICDP]

6 minutes ago, KPnutskgwanchos said:

 

Aside from your unnecessarily insulting first sentence thank you for your opinion .... it all goes in the mix  

 

My post wasn't directed at you, I just tire of reading people saying "Nvidia have better drivers" and they probably haven't used an AMD GPU for decades.  They even still call them ATI

 

What is your current GPU and what is your budget?

Edited May 21, 2020 by ICDP

[KPnutskgwanchos]

6 minutes ago, ICDP said:

 

My post wasn't directed at you, I just tire of reading people saying "Nvidia have better drivers" and they probably haven't used an AMD GPU for decades.  They even still call them ATI

 

Sure no problem .... I don't mind admitting Im more than a little behind the curve at the moment .... good to hear good things about ATI tho   ... sorry AMD

Edited May 21, 2020 by KPnutskgwanchos

[Brennus]

 

[Voyager]

7 hours ago, Elem said:

Funny you should ask that. I have always been a user of AMD since my first Diamond Monster 3D card. I must have had about 6-7 between then and now and not had any driver issues or graphic anomalies, and I have been more than happy with the performance. The latest giving me 60+ FPS average on a 4K 40" monitor all maxed out on Ultra settings. However, this one has failed under warranty, overheating. The dealer, Ebuyer has lost my card and sent me back one that is a refurbished different brand and model saying I sent that to them and therefore not honouring the warranty. But I digress! So I am now at the point of going over to Nvidia and will order the Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8GB GAMING OC Turing GPU any day now. The price difference is narrowing and they do appear from reviews to run cooler.

 

Wait. Absolutely wait if you can. RDNA2 and Geforce 3000 are expected to come in around September to October, to preempt the console launches. The next generation of 3D cards is expected to be a *major* jump over everything that is out there. 

 

Go watch the UE5 demo. That's running on a PS5, which is using the RDNA2 equivalent of a Radeon RX 5700, non-XT. (~36 Compute Units of hardware.) 

 

NVidia is expected to counter with a gaming oriented version of the Ampier cards they just announced. (Those were data center cards with 128 CU equivalents, and the consumer parts are expected to be in 40-80 CU scale like the current RTX 2000 cards are.) And they are expected to be at least as powerful CU for CU as the RDNA2 parts are. 

 

 

The RTX 2000 cards are running on an architecture that is pushing 2 years old and are about to be replaced. NVidia has been able to keep the prices high because they have no competition in that market space, but they are about to have serious competition both from console and from AMD consumer parts. Buying the 2070 right now would be like buying the GeForce 970 four months before the 1080 To launched. 

[DD_Arthur]

On 5/21/2020 at 12:28 PM, BlitzPig_EL said:

It was ever thus in the whole IL2 series, dating back the the original IL2.  AMD owners were always the ones having issues with drivers, graphical anomalies, etc, at far higher rates than Nvidia users did.  The trend continues.

 

Agree completely.