What are you looking forward to the most in Battle of Normandy?

[JaMz]

Jumping over to Red as it will not be much fun flying Blue with those birds around ?

[Jonttu1]

1 hour ago, 9./JG52_JaMz said:

Jumping over to Red as it will not be much fun flying Blue with those birds around ?

Might be good to get a taste of your own medicine for once then?

[JaMz]

57 minutes ago, Jonttu1 said:

Might be good to get a taste of your own medicine for once then?

 

That was tongue in cheek but as you've replied the way you have... Im Not sure where you have been flying to think the current planeset is biased or that the Blue has better aircraft?

 

Don't make me laugh..

 

 

Edited May 31, 2020 by 9./JG52_JaMz

[Cybermat47]

18 minutes ago, 9./JG52_JaMz said:

 

That was tongue in cheek but as you've replied the way you have... Im Not sure where you have been flying to think the current planeset is biased or that the Blue has better aircraft?

 

Don't make me laugh..

 

 

A Yak isn’t going to catch up to a Bf-109 that wants to leave the fight.

[JaMz]

9 minutes ago, [Pb]Cybermat47 said:

A Yak isn’t going to catch up to a Bf-109 that wants to leave the fight.

 

Oh right.... Well that settles that argument then....?

 

Out of all the aircraft in game, you're going to use that analogy?

 

You do realize you have the Mustang, P38, Tempest and Spit too right? try out pacing them easily in a 109.. You have very formidable BnZ air frames as well as TnB air frames.. Please do not agree with the original point in that the Blues have better aircraft, we really dont

Edited May 31, 2020 by 9./JG52_JaMz

[Pikestance]

If a 109 is leaving, then the Yak did something right. 

 

[Cybermat47]

20 minutes ago, 9./JG52_JaMz said:

 

Oh right.... Well that settles that argument then....?

 

Out of all the aircraft in game, you're going to use that analogy?

 

You do realize you have the Mustang, P38, Tempest and Spit too right? try out pacing them easily in a 109.. You have very formidable BnZ air frames as well as TnB air frames.. Please do not agree with the original point in that the Blues have better aircraft, we really dont

Wait, then why did you say that the BoN aircraft were going to be the ones that make you switch sides?

[=621=Samikatz]

58 minutes ago, [=PzG=]-FlyinPinkPanther said:

If a 109 is leaving, then the Yak did something right. 

 

 

A 109 running away is not attacking your Peshkas, and those Peshkas are the ones winning the war

[ilmavoimat]

Surely the next collector plane has got to be the C-47. You can't invade Normandy without it.................hint to devs!!!

[Pikestance]

A common theme among pilots is that it isn't the machine that makes the pilot, but the skill of the pilot. 

 

[Blitzen]

With the new map & the Hurricane ,I'm hoping for a few Faux BoB & Rhubarb missions.Jade Monkey has done 3 SM variations on one using an exisitng map already that are fun to try.Using the 109E ,110E, Heinkel 111 , JunkersJu-87 , Junkers 88,and Hurricane & Spitfire over the Channel& mainland I think the results would be fun & interesting to compare with CloD...esp. using VR!

[Tsavong]

Im looking forward to the Map, the Mosquito and the P-51B/C.

[Jonttu1]

14 hours ago, 9./JG52_JaMz said:

Out of all the aircraft in game, you're going to use that analogy?

 

You do realize you have the Mustang, P38, Tempest and Spit too right? try out pacing them easily in a 109.. You have very formidable BnZ air frames as well as TnB air frames.. Please do not agree with the original point in that the Blues have better aircraft, we really dont

Out of all the expansions of the game you're going to choose the only one with a fairly balanced planeset to make your point?

 

And you realize that just because the allies have the Tempest in game does not mean anything if you're not playing a Bodenplatte match? Tempest/P51 vs K4/D9 might be a well balanced matchup, and I-16 or LaGG-3 vs an F2 or F4 is not. Even the Yak-1 struggles against any competent 109 pilot. 

 

Out of all the expansions Normandy is the first one where the higher performance fighters rest squarely in the allied corner and even then only the Spit XIV is beyond doubt superior though the Typhoon and P-51B/C will be competitive for sure. 1/4 is fairly balanced, 3/4 are German favoured. And just like you said you can expect a huge chunk of the people that like to stack German teams, who refuse to fly anything Soviet switching sides when their 190 or 109 is no longer the undisputed top dog.

 

[Talon_]

17 hours ago, 9./JG52_JaMz said:

Blue has better aircraft?

 

One of the blue planes is more heavily armed and at least 200kph faster than any red plane in the game 

[Pikestance]

All aircraft produced have characteristics that may match your strength or weaknesses. If you choose an aircraft to your strengths rather than your weaknesses, you are going to enjoy greater than expected success. Of course, sometimes, an aircraft interest us so that we have to learn to master its characteristics.  

[Yogiflight]

2 hours ago, Jonttu1 said:

and I-16 or LaGG-3 vs an F2 or F4 is not. Even the Yak-1 struggles against any competent 109 pilot. 

And what about the Mig 3 vs. Bf 109 F2, both part of BOM?

[DN308]

Normandy link to Yaks and La???

[Reggie_Mental]

On 5/19/2020 at 6:43 PM, -332FG-Snowy said:

I’m looking forward to carrying out some ‘nuisance raids’ in the Mossie, and the map of course, plus everything else for that matter.

I'm looking forward to strike-bombing Dover, Brighton and Crawley in a Arado 234! Towns I have recce'd on foot extensively...In fact, the theme of BoN seems to be ground attack and strike aircraft. Mosquito, Arado, Typhoon, Mustang B model. It's going to be exciting.

 

On 6/1/2020 at 8:22 AM, [=PzG=]-FlyinPinkPanther said:

All aircraft produced have characteristics that may match your strength or weaknesses. If you choose an aircraft to your strengths rather than your weaknesses, you are going to enjoy greater than expected success. Of course, sometimes, an aircraft interest us so that we have to learn to master its characteristics.  

The Dora 9 is generally considered to be superior to the Kurfurst 4. But I can score victories easily in the K4, and hardly any at all in D9. It might be that prop mounted 30mm Motorkanone that seals the deal for me.

 

Same with the MiG3. Fly it to it's strengths, not it weaknesses and it's an effective fighter. Several Soviet Aces discovered that in the MiG3. 

 

But the P39, P40 and the P47 [edited]

 

There. I said it [dons tin hat and ducks incoming]

Edited June 10, 2020 by SYN_Haashashin
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[=621=Samikatz]

Take the wing guns out and the P-39 is fantastic in '43 scenarios.

[Reggie_Mental]

On 6/1/2020 at 1:06 PM, =621=Samikatz said:

Take the wing guns out and the P-39 is fantastic in '43 scenarios.

I've tried that. And only flown it with 60% fuel.

 

[edited] Like driving a Renault.

 

On 5/31/2020 at 4:32 PM, Blitzen said:

With the new map & the Hurricane ,I'm hoping for a few Faux BoB & Rhubarb missions.Jade Monkey has done 3 SM variations on one using an exisitng map already that are fun to try.Using the 109E ,110E, Heinkel 111 , JunkersJu-87 , Junkers 88,and Hurricane & Spitfire over the Channel& mainland I think the results would be fun & interesting to compare with CloD...esp. using VR!

Is that from the CLoD game?  It's beautiful.

 

Sadly I have had nothing but disappointment with this game. Can't get any decent control setup with it or head tracking to work properly. Perversely, IL2 GB worked straight out of the box for me.

Edited June 10, 2020 by SYN_Haashashin
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[=621=Samikatz]

8 minutes ago, Reggie_Mental said:

I've tried that. And only flown it with 60% fuel.

 

Still dogshit. Like driving a Renault.

 

Keep above 350km/h and you can outmaneuver 109s all day, just don't get into sustained turning/climbing contests. Rads at 40/60 Oil/Water. You have better control authority at high speeds and can use full-rich boost to get away below 4km altitude if needed. The guns take some getting used to and I'd much rather have a 20mm in the prop hub but it's perfectly servicable

[zdog0331]

4 hours ago, Reggie_Mental said:

The Dora 9 is generally considered to be superior to the Kurfurst 4. But I can score victories easily in the K4, and hardly any at all in D9. It might be that prop mounted 30mm Motorkanone that seals the deal for me.

The bf-109 k4 is an easier fighter to learn that the fw-190 d9, but yea the D9 is a lot better.  The key to using it is that it literally has almost a 100% energy retention (altitude wise).  If you dive, you can pull up all the way to the altitude you dove from regardless of height.  You can dive from 8 thousand meters and climb back to 8 thousand or from 800 meters. (tested at an 80 degree climb and dive vector)  you will be a little bit slower at that altitude, but flying high with that aircraft allows you to dive on enemies and climb back away with ease.  But its very much a boom and zoom type of aircraft.  It doesn't like to turn at all.  And if my must turn you have to cut corners and turn vertically.  the k4 is a more balanced aircraft as it can turn a bit while having great energy while the d9 is all energy and speed.

Edited June 1, 2020 by zdog0331

[Aurora_Stealth]

Can't wait for the line-up of new aircraft  having the Mosquito and Me 410 will certainly add more competitive play for the strained bomber/ground attack pilots who fly online and that will no doubt come as relief to some... plus encouragement for others to depart from just fighters. They're both fascinating designs to me and good lookers (in different ways).

 

I've got mixed feelings about only having the Bf 109 G-6 Late... I do agree the G-6 Late was the contemporary and typically encountered type of the aircraft statistically. However 700 G-6/AS is not insignificant, especially as these would have been flown based on tactical and operational demands - just because an aircraft isn't available in as greater number (only one Gruppe here or there) doesn't mean it wasn't in high demand or didn't have a significant (although niche) role to play in encounters.

 

You could also put other aircraft we have in-game into the context of "too niche to include" depending on a specific time-scale such as the Me 262 and Tempest and use percentages to water down its impact. But that's just it - there is the completeness of the line-up to consider for the general period as well as just the Normandy landings itself in June.

 

There was still a very clear operational need for the G-6/AS aircraft at that time, and in-game (online) their availability could be limited to reflect historical circumstances. The fact is it provided the interim high altitude capabilities that were desperately needed by the Luftwaffe. They were very much in demand because the Fw 190 A or standard G-6 couldn't adequately fill that niche and the air war was increasingly switching to high altitudes from late 1943 and this had become a serious liability by mid 1944.

 

Edit:  Also, completely forgot to mention.. the G-5 (the pressurised version of the G-6) which was fitted with GM-1 or AS engine was also purely for high altitudes. 

 

G-5 (Pressurized fighter)

 

G-5/U2 (High-altitude fighter with GM-1 boost)

G-5/U2/R2 (High-altitude reconnaissance fighter with GM-1 boost)

G-5/AS (High-altitude fighter with DB 605AS engine)

G-5y (Command fighter)

 

Something like 475 were built in same timeframe. For simplicity sake we'd only need a G-6/AS, but combination of G-5 and G-6/AS which are practically same airframe that's around 1,200 high altitude fighters in total so not an insignificant contribution. Because of the retrofits and mods, these were not always easy to trace; there's another thread about this for more detail: 

 

 

Edited June 12, 2020 by Aurora_Stealth

[JaMz]

11 hours ago, Talon_ said:

 

One of the blue planes is more heavily armed and at least 200kph faster than any red plane in the game 

 

Are you on about when its available?

When you get a pilot that can even fly it successfully?

Or when they are not wasted by inexperience and destroy it without even getting of the ground?

 

which one is it?

 

because surely someone who  has been around a long time isn't going to use that comment as an actual answer to my original point?

 

[DD_Arthur]

On 5/29/2020 at 7:57 PM, i_r_olav said:

Hopefully the prospect of bombing Weymouth

 

(My hometown) ??

 

Understand completely.   When RoF released the Channel map I was at last able to bomb Hastings - where granny lived?

[Talon_]

1 hour ago, 9./JG52_JaMz said:

 

Are you on about when its available?

When you get a pilot that can even fly it successfully?

Or when they are not wasted by inexperience and destroy it without even getting of the ground?

 

which one is it?

 

because surely someone who  has been around a long time isn't going to use that comment as an actual answer to my original point?

 

 

We've had to limit it on CB because players regularly get 8-10 kill sorties in it.

[Lusekofte]

3 hours ago, Reggie_Mental said:

I've tried that. And only flown it with 60% fuel.

You say that about all planes and conclude

 

3 hours ago, Reggie_Mental said:

Still dogshit. Like driving a Renault.

Ever considered that you might not doing this right?

[DN308]

US or GB pilots instead of Russians in a/c flown in Allied side

[Barnacles]

56 minutes ago, Talon_ said:

 

We've had to limit it on CB because players regularly get 8-10 kill sorties in it.

Meteor III collector plane plz

 

[41Sqn_Skipper]

39 minutes ago, DN308 said:

US or GB pilots instead of Russians in a/c flown in Allied side

 

Wasn't that feature already included in the last update?

[Blitzen]

17 minutes ago, 71st_AH_Barnacles said:

Meteor III collector plane plz

 

Ok , but if you get your Meteor ,I get my Shooting Star!

[JG7_X-Man]

On 5/31/2020 at 11:32 AM, Blitzen said:

With the new map & the Hurricane ,I'm hoping for a few Faux BoB & Rhubarb missions.Jade Monkey has done 3 SM variations on one using an exisitng map already that are fun to try.Using the 109E ,110E, Heinkel 111 , JunkersJu-87 , Junkers 88,and Hurricane & Spitfire over the Channel& mainland I think the results would be fun & interesting to compare with CloD...esp. using VR!

 

This would be the perfect map!

 

[DN308]

15 minutes ago, 41Sqn_Skipper said:

 

Wasn't that feature already included in the last update?

Maybe my bad, but I still have Russians flying my A-20B over the Netherlands in an US plane

[JaMz]

10 hours ago, Talon_ said:

 

We've had to limit it on CB because players regularly get 8-10 kill sorties in it.

 

I understand that.

 

My point was, I assumed you were using the 262 to counter my argument which was "The Blues have better aircraft than the Reds and that BoN will be payback time after all these years of being outmatched" to which i was stating that this simply isn't true..

 

There is a huge variety of air frames now for the reds if the server decides like CB adds them all. You can employ whatever tactics you see fit, where as the Blues do not have that option if you want to preserve your virtual lives.. We have a plane that can outdive most Red aircraft, that's it. that same aircraft is not faster at high alt and anything other than having an alt advantage, you will get chased down.

 

I'm not bitching but when I see these "Reds are nerved, LW is superior" rubbish, it grinds my gears.

 

S!

[Pikestance]

To each his own. When I was plying career, I seem to have the most trouble dealing with P-39s than any other aircraft. In G14, I had little or no trouble with Tempests. and I the least adapt to flying the G14 of any other aircraft. 

[ITAF_Rani]

With the new map......Battle of Channel 1941-42, RAF vs JG 26 and 2

[Feathered_IV]

19 minutes ago, ITAF_Rani said:

With the new map......Battle of Channel 1941-42, RAF vs JG 26 and 2

 

Definitely pre-D-Day.  I don't think the game engine or the dev cycle will be able to deliver more than a token representation of the landings or the damaged landscape.

Edited June 2, 2020 by Feathered_IV

[Lusekofte]

15 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

 

Definitely pre-D-Day.  I don't think the game engine or the dev cycle will be able to deliver more than a token representation of the landings or the damaged landscape.

This is sadly the truth. A major weakness 

we probably wont see fixed. 
But as usual we have to try make it work

[ITAF_Rani]

16 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

 

Definitely pre-D-Day.  I don't think the game engine or the dev cycle will be able to deliver more than a token representation of the landings or the damaged landscape.

We need only south coast England and North France for epic duels between Spitfires - Hurricanes vs Me 109-Fw 190

[Talon_]

3 hours ago, 9./JG52_JaMz said:

 

I understand that.

 

My point was, I assumed you were using the 262 to counter my argument which was "The Blues have better aircraft than the Reds and that BoN will be payback time after all these years of being outmatched" to which i was stating that this simply isn't true..

 

There is a huge variety of air frames now for the reds if the server decides like CB adds them all. You can employ whatever tactics you see fit, where as the Blues do not have that option if you want to preserve your virtual lives.. We have a plane that can outdive most Red aircraft, that's it. that same aircraft is not faster at high alt and anything other than having an alt advantage, you will get chased down.

 

I'm not bitching but when I see these "Reds are nerved, LW is superior" rubbish, it grinds my gears.

 

S!

 

The K-4 with DC engine is one of the fastest planes in the game at sea level and any altitude above that until you reach 26,000ft. It also outclimbs anything except the Spitfire IX on +25lbs boost.

 

The Tempest, K-4+DC and Mustang all do about 389mph at sea level in ideal configuration. The D9 is only a few mph slower, then the P-47, G-14, A-8, P-38 and Spit IX are all down in the 350mph ballpark. The 262 is obviously 100mph+ faster.

 

Blue definitely have better planes in BoBp, and have *much much* worse planes in Normandy.

 

The Spit XIV is coming in Normandy that performs like a K-4+DC, however it fights 109G6s and Fw190As. It's an utter monster.