ME262 performance tips needed

[Kampfpilot_JG3]

I flew  this aircraft for the first time and all is well , however i am unable to go over 500 kmhr top speed at 2000 mt hight  at cruising speed 90 % or 8000 rpm , what am i missing ?

[Nolly]

Check flaps and gear,  and note that bombs carry a large perfromance penalty if you are carrying them

 

[[LeLv34]Lykurgos88]

Also note that 95% throttle is the best sustainable speed. Additionally the 15 min rating for 100% will mean that you can use it probably for entire durations of aerial fights.

 

Me-262 is also the only aircraft in Il-2 GBS with True Airspeed gauge in the cockpit (on the left side). Use it to determine your actual speed that corresponds the aircraft specifications. At 2000m it's probably not that different to your Indicated Airspeed (bottom UI panel), but at 6000m altitude the difference is significant. In level flight you should reach over 850 km/h at higher altitudes like 6000m.

 

EDIT: I just tested myself. With 70% fuel, full ammunition and best cruising speed (8400 rpm, 95% throttle) I managed to get 686 km/h indicated airspeed (IAS) and 760 km/h True airspeed (TAS) at altitude of 2000m.

Edited May 14, 2020 by [LeLv34]Lykurgos88
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[Kampfpilot_JG3]

WOW !!! i am unable to reach 350 KMHR at 2000 mt height for a while , it takes a life time to get to 500 kmhr which is ridiculous  . I dont need 6000 mt height , i dog fight online from sea level to 2000 mt 90% of the time unless i am going for B25 at 5k height . I am going to try with 70 % fuel now at 2000 mt height .

Kurgos

at 2200 mt 70% i do reach 680 KM HR . I used full throttle until i reached that speed and temperature never went up . i then reduced to 8400 rpm cruising  . now to try in battle . this will be my first time ever online with this fighter when available . thanks for tips

[Lusekofte]

6 hours ago, [LeLv34]Lykurgos88 said:

Also note that 95%

What does this value say on the instruments. I also struggle to get up to speed in this plane. I do not use techchat 

6 hours ago, [LeLv34]Lykurgos88 said:

Me-262 is also the only aircraft in Il-2 GBS with True Airspeed gauge in the cockpit (on the left side)

Oh!
thanks

3 hours ago, dog1 said:

never went up . i then reduced to 8400 rpm cruising

That was the answer. Sorry I should have read the whole thing

[SJ_Butcher]

I think acceleration is bad modeled because it's true that the piston fighters have better acceleration below the 350 kmh but the 262 accelerate better above that speed that any piston fighter

[Lusekofte]

44 minutes ago, SJ_Butcher said:

I think acceleration is bad modeled because it's true that the piston fighters have better acceleration below the 350 kmh but the 262 accelerate better above that speed that any piston fighter

I have the impression, my impression is based on articles from flypast, so take it as you want. Acceleration was the main problem in all speeds. You simply did not want to loose speed. I think they got it right. I tested it now on qmb, it take time to achieve full speed, So much so that I earlier did not think it got to topspeed. 
if it is exactly correct is not clear. But from the little I read I find it realistic. 

[SJ_Butcher]

4 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I have the impression, my impression is based on articles from flypast, so take it as you want. Acceleration was the main problem in all speeds. You simply did not want to loose speed. I think they got it right. I tested it now on qmb, it take time to achieve full speed, So much so that I earlier did not think it got to topspeed. 
if it is exactly correct is not clear. But from the little I read I find it realistic. 

 

the difference is that piston fighters enjoy a lot of thrust of power at low speed and low thrust power at higher speeds, meawhile the early jet engines enjoyed a constant power thrust and thats why the me262 could accelerate above than any piston figther.

[jojy47jojyrocks]

Has anyone tried to see the acceleration and speed performance on clean loadout ( yes minus the armour too) but different fuel weights?

 

Also its best endurance or range performance at which altitude...

 

Edited May 14, 2020 by jojy47jojyrocks

[=FEW=fernando11]

I have not flown the 262 in a while. But basic tips. Trim trim trim. Are you guys flying a well trimed plane, or pushing/pulling the stick?

Are you flying coordinated? (Ball centered)

And other thing, the weird thing about the 262 is the insanely high climbing speed. Go fast, really fast  (450-500kmh) and just then start climbing, with the correct trim, not with the stick. It Will be crazy fast, and climb quite ok.

 

 

Just checked, best climb speed to 3000mt is 475-500 kmh

Edited May 14, 2020 by =FEW=fernando11

[Voidhunger]

I tried very quick not precise test on winter bobp map. 100% fuel

 

Bf109K4 1.45 ATA from runway to 3000m - cca 2:30 min

Bf109K4 MW50 from runway to 3000m-       cca 2:00 min

 

Me262 8700 Rpm from runway (max RPM) to 3000m -                    cca 4:30 min

Me262 8700 Rpm at 300m altitude(500km/h IAS)  to  3000m -      cca 2:50 min

[LukeFF]

7 hours ago, SJ_Butcher said:

I think acceleration is bad modeled because it's true that the piston fighters have better acceleration below the 350 kmh but the 262 accelerate better above that speed that any piston fighter

 

[citation needed]

[Stoopy]

Coincidentally, speaking of Me262 acceleration and top speed....

 

I just finished making the fourth, last and final, course for the "River Race" series which is a 22-minute race course down the Rhine river with up to 8 Me262's racing each other in coop mode.  It complements the Stalingrad river race courses for the Yak-1 and B109 G-2, (shown in link below) and the Moscow river race course for the Mig-3, and I plan on hosting a coop event this weekend for all 4 courses.  Gonna be a hoot.

 

From experience in flying the course a number of times to test various features, the 262 easily maintains a speed of ~730/kph at 95% throttle, dipping down into the 650kph area in the really tight turns on the edge of blacking out.  It's possible to fly the whole course within the confines of this throttle setting, but opening it up in the straightaways nets you up to about 830kph... just don't go into a hairpin river turn at that speed!   

 

So while she's a little mellow off the starting line, there's no shortage of easily attainable speed, if anything there's a dire need for an effective speed brake, a shortcoming also mentioned by real pilots of the plane.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 14, 2020 by =[TIA]=Stoopy

[CAFulcrum]

3 hours ago, SJ_Butcher said:

 

the difference is that piston fighters enjoy a lot of thrust of power at low speed and low thrust power at higher speeds, meawhile the early jet engines enjoyed a constant power thrust and thats why the me262 could accelerate above than any piston figther.

 

Based on what others have said here the reason is that at around 400kmh there's a ram-air effect in the jet engine that increases its thrust.  At lower speeds there isn't enough airspeed to get this effect.

[Voidhunger]

Me262 is fast if you fly disciplined. Not so much with 95% throttle, but Okish

 

But if you read pilot accounts how they was surprised with the climb and speed after take off (like Walter Schuck).... I cant beat B109k in game to 3000m

[=FEW=fernando11]

If you are used to climb at arround 300km/h. Wouldnt you be surprised yo climb at 500 or more?

I think they where surprised at climbing  a what would otherwise be "diving" speeds, and not so much about time to altitude.

[CAFulcrum]

Are you using the variable stabilizer?  Putting it all the way down will orient the plane into a sleeker position and decrease drag.  If it's trimmed you won't be pulling up on the elevator constantly either and it will be flush into the airstream.

 

edit: =FEW=fernando11 already pointed it out, sorry

Edited May 14, 2020 by CAFulcrum

[Voidhunger]

11 minutes ago, =FEW=fernando11 said:

If you are used to climb at arround 300km/h. Wouldnt you be surprised yo climb at 500 or more?

I think they where surprised at climbing  a what would otherwise be "diving" speeds, and not so much about time to altitude.

He wrote in his book, that after he rised up  landing gear in climb, he checked altitude and was surprised that he is already at 3500m and he was astonished by the climbing speed in comparison to piston planes.

But Ok its and old account by the pilot. 

 

By many pilots mentioned, that there was extreme closing speed in attack, but In game I have plenty of time when attacking bombers from behind with 750-800 IAS.

But thats probably Im at home without stress and danger around me, not like in real life attack on combat box of B17s with multiple guns firing at me and with swarm of P51 around me.?

[SJ_Butcher]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

[citation needed]

 

The results in the tabulation indicate the following two conclusions:

1. The thrust-to-weight ratio T/W of the jet aircraft is small compared with that of its propeller-driven counterpart at low speeds. Thus, the acceleration of the jet aircraft on takeoff will be low; and the takeoff distance, correspondingly long.
2. The maintenance of a nearly constant thrust-to-weight ratio through the speed range, however, gives the jet aircraft an important advantage at the high-speed end of the flight spectrum. Assuming that both hypothetical fighters considered have approximately the same drag area, the jet-powered machine would be expected to be much faster than the 410 miles per hour given for the propeller-driven aircraft. (Actually, level flight speeds as much as 100 miles per hour faster than those of contemporary propeller-driven fighters could be achieved by several of the early jet fighters.)

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-468/ch11-2.htm

 

Maybe I am wrong, not expert on the matter but the table clearly shows that at lower speeds the thrust to weight ratio on piston at lower speeds its 3 times higher than jet engines at low speeds, but the lower thrust to weight ratio on jet is constant until the end of the test

[Kampfpilot_JG3]

so now you have to figure out your attack strategy at low and high level close dogfights and zoom and boom high speed  approach . Obviously you cannot slow down and do sharp turns in close quarter dogfights which means you have to rely on high speed in line approaches fire and break . Last month the top ace scorer at TAW was using this plane and everyone was complaining and moaning and insisting their access should be limited .    

[RedKestrel]

6 hours ago, dog1 said:

Last month the top ace scorer at TAW was using this plane and everyone was complaining and moaning and insisting their access should be limited .    

It's because if you don't turn hard and burn your energy nobody can catch you unless they dive on you at the exact right time. One 262 well flown tips the air-to-air balance of any match by big margins.

[BlitzPig_EL]

The TLDR version...

 

Never go below 8400 rpm (95% throttle) ever, for any reason, other than setting up for landing, keep your aircraft in trim, and don't engage in a close in knife fight.  The 262 is not for the impatient or impulsive pilot.  If you miss on your first pass, do not try to get the kill by yanking on the stick.  You don't have to get that kill.  Extend away, and reset your attack. To put it crudely, one pass and haul ass.

[Lusekofte]

11 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

The TLDR version...

 

Never go below 8400 rpm (95% throttle) ever, for any reason, other than setting up for landing, keep your aircraft in trim, and don't engage in a close in knife fight.  The 262 is not for the impatient or impulsive pilot.  If you miss on your first pass, do not try to get the kill by yanking on the stick.  You don't have to get that kill.  Extend away, and reset your attack. To put it crudely, one pass and haul ass.

My initial interest in it was to be able to drop bombs and get away fast. But I seem to have better luck in the A 8.  
I never get enough speed in order to evade covering P 51 from diving down on you. 
Mind you, the number restriction on 262 have prevented me for taking many attempts

[LLv34_Wmaker]

One thing I noticed is that the game's specification lists the climb rate of 19.3 m/s at sea level at a weight of 6400kg whereas, based on real life data, that climb rate was already achieved at a weight of 7000kg.