Intel´s upcoming 109XX series

[LLv34_Flanker]

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 Seems these new chips will not be cheap to get. Preliminary pricing for a i9-10900X is already over 700 Euros here, so expecting something closer to +800 Euros when released. You can get an AMD Ryzen 3800X for less than 400 Euros and the Ryzen 3900X is less than 500 Euros. Basically you can buy an AMD CPU + a decent motherboard for the price of the upcoming Intel CPU. nVidia Ampere will for sure cost at least 1000 Euro for the top model. Computer upgrading really has become quite a money hog these days ? 

[RedKestrel]

44 minutes ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

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 Seems these new chips will not be cheap to get. Preliminary pricing for a i9-10900X is already over 700 Euros here, so expecting something closer to +800 Euros when released. You can get an AMD Ryzen 3800X for less than 400 Euros and the Ryzen 3900X is less than 500 Euros. Basically you can buy an AMD CPU + a decent motherboard for the price of the upcoming Intel CPU. nVidia Ampere will for sure cost at least 1000 Euro for the top model. Computer upgrading really has become quite a money hog these days ? 

That's unreal. They must just have faith that their core market (pun intended) of enthusiasts and high-end users are just going to crack open their wallets no matter what they charge. 

Is there really any reason to buy one of these crazy chips at the moment? How much of an improvement are you really likely to see for 800 euros? (1200.00 CDN for all the hosers out there). I could just about build a new PC for that and run everything on Il-2 maxed out as long as I stuck to 1080p. Hell, my current PC does that.

[ZachariasX]

1 hour ago, RedKestrel said:

Is there really any reason to buy one of these crazy chips at the moment?

Depends. The good things:

 

You get (up to) 100 MHz more clock

 

Intel sanded  ~0.3 mm off the die thickness. This improves heat spread. Along with soldering, it should add some OC headroom. But several versions of „10th gen“ (aka Skylake v5) do not have these features, probably indicating some shelf garbage that needs to find it‘s way to the consumer.

 

You still can only connect one GPU to the CPU via PCIe, as that one still has only 16 lanes.

 

For any other connectivity, the 24 lane highway turns into a three lane street when connecting to the CPU. But on these 24 lanes PCIe from the Chipset, new thingies are connected like faster LAN etc. 

Edited May 6, 2020 by ZachariasX

[RedKestrel]

6 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

Depends. The good things:

 

You get hup to

Oh my god, Intel assassinated Zacharias in the middle of his comment!!

[ZachariasX]

Just now, RedKestrel said:

Oh my god, Intel assassinated Zacharias in the middle of his comment!!

caught me. bloody ipad.

[RedKestrel]

1 minute ago, ZachariasX said:

caught me. bloody ipad.

Been there, got the random inserted words to prove it.

[Charlo-VR]

And the 10th gen that Intel is releasing means a new motherboard, too, using a new LGA 1200 socket. If I remain on Intel it looks like I'll be riding my 6700k for awhile longer.

 

[Bernard_IV]

Most games aren't optimized to use all of those cores anyway.  I'm running my 7700k at 5.1ghz and am getting comparable performance to the newer chips if not better in some instances.  I'm going to direct die cool it to see if I can get stable at 5.2 or 5.3ghz.  Once Intel comes out with ddr5 based systems an upgrade will be more beneficial.

[SCG_OpticFlow]

3 hours ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

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 Seems these new chips will not be cheap to get. Preliminary pricing for a i9-10900X is already over 700 Euros here, so expecting something closer to +800 Euros when released. You can get an AMD Ryzen 3800X for less than 400 Euros and the Ryzen 3900X is less than 500 Euros. Basically you can buy an AMD CPU + a decent motherboard for the price of the upcoming Intel CPU. nVidia Ampere will for sure cost at least 1000 Euro for the top model. Computer upgrading really has become quite a money hog these days ? 

 

i7-10700K (the top 8 core model) is about half that price https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/199335/intel-core-i7-10700k-processor-16m-cache-up-to-5-00-ghz.html

 

[SeaW0lf]

EDITED: Sorry, I thought it was about the  i9-10900K.

Edited May 9, 2020 by SeaW0lf

[RIPSkyKingTasmanaut]

Well they've lost me as a customer with that pricing. Going full AMD from here on out.

[LLv34_Flanker]

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@OpticFlow Change that 350 to Euros and add about 100-150 Euro on top, then you get the right price. And by the looks of it if you want to get maximum OC for all cores you need a freezer and a beefy PSU. I think the new Ryzen 4XXX series along with 11th gen Intel will be a better comparison, more or less on the same page. Again, good there are CPUs to choose from no matter which brand you prefer.

[J2_Steve]

I used to update every 18 months - 2 years.

These days the cost puts me off. I'm now going to leave it all alone until I "need" to update.

At the moment my O/C 7740X and 1080Ti run BOS fine. Unless something changes drastically with the game  I'll still be using this set up in 2/3 years time

Nearly £1500 for a high end consumer graphics card is too much.

 

I bought the 1080Ti for £600 during my last upgrade. Checking the used market I couldn't even get a used one for that now.  edit: Just checked and Bought the 1080Ti in Nov '17 before Bitcoin boom and this new "supply an demand" pricing model was introduced

 

GFX prices are out of control!!!

 

and I'm out until they come back to reality and stop trying to rinse us

 

 

Edited May 10, 2020 by J2_SteveF

[Jaws2002]

Intel's X series has become completely irrelevant.  My 3950x, that works on mainstream motherboard, utterly destroys their entire high end 109XX series, including their 18 core flagship. And the x570 motherboard already has better PCIE 4.0 and other more modern features.

 

The pathetic performance of this chips is the reason Intel didn't release a 16 core cpu to compete with Ryzen 3950x. 

The 3950x isn't even direct competition to this lineup. The direct competition are the new Threadrippers and they decimate even Intel's server Xeon CPUs. AMD's server Epyc chips are in a world of their own.

 

Things are pretty bad at Intel and it's going to take a while to get better. With the Zen 3 architecture less than half a year away, I don't see intel coming out of this hole in the next two years.

   

 Touch this intel.

Edited May 10, 2020 by Jaws2002

[SCG_OpticFlow]

7 hours ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

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@OpticFlow Change that 350 to Euros and add about 100-150 Euro on top, then you get the right price. And by the looks of it if you want to get maximum OC for all cores you need a freezer and a beefy PSU. I think the new Ryzen 4XXX series along with 11th gen Intel will be a better comparison, more or less on the same page. Again, good there are CPUs to choose from no matter which brand you prefer.

 

I get the idea but still for most games, the overclocked Intels are going to deliver higher performance. The 10700k costs roughly what my 4790k did 4 years ago but has twice the cores and reaches about 10% higher clock speeds per core. Ryzen has yet to reach 5 GHz and what is the benefit of 16, 32 or 64 cores when you run IL-2 or DCS?

 

[LLv34_Flanker]

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I run IL-2 on my rig with 117fps solid 3440*1440 resolution. Ultra settings, SSAO is off. And seems the stutters are gone after a few tweaks, like capping my FPS to 117 in NVidia control panel. That is 3 below my screen's refreshrate etc. 

 

DCS is fluid as heck on my rig. No stutters whatsoever. Only plane causing some minor noticeable issues, for some reason, is the FW190A-8. And this happens on Intel rigs as well. 

 

So I do not need an Intel 5 GHz rig to run any of the games I play. Even with VR there was no real need to tweak any of the settings. 

[ZachariasX]

11 hours ago, OpticFlow said:

The 10700k

...is  a CPU that you cannot buy as of now.

[Jaws2002]

20 hours ago, OpticFlow said:

 

I get the idea but still for most games, the overclocked Intels are going to deliver higher performance. The 10700k costs roughly what my 4790k did 4 years ago but has twice the cores and reaches about 10% higher clock speeds per core. Ryzen has yet to reach 5 GHz and what is the benefit of 16, 32 or 64 cores when you run IL-2 or DCS?

 

 

 The Core i7/i9 are good gaming processors, but they are pretty weak now for more CPU intensive tasks.

    But Flanker was mostly talking about Intel's Core X series, that was artificially created by intel, so they can milk obscene prices from anyone who may want more than four cores, Extra PCIE lines for SLI, or quad channel memory. AMD was in bad shape and couldn't compete, so intel took advantage of that and split the consumer market. They milked dry anyone who wanted more than four cores.

    Fast forward to this days and Intel's High end platform is full of dated technology and weak processors with terrible performance compared to what AMD's offerings, but somehow intel still thinks they can charge the silly high prices on that line of products.

On Intels X99 platform you can get from eight to eighteen core, power hungry processors, with 48 of PCIE 3.0 lines 

The new threadrippers and their platform bring to the fight from 24 to 64 core CPUs, and up to 88 PCIE 4.0 lines.   

     This pathetic ten core i9-10900X, Flanker was talking about, is competing with AMD's 24 core and 36 core monsters. 

 

Intel's X99 platform has been annihilated.

Edited May 11, 2020 by Jaws2002

[SCG_OpticFlow]

8 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

...is  a CPU that you cannot buy as of now.

 

And topic is about Intel's upcoming CPU series...

[Jaws2002]

5 minutes ago, OpticFlow said:

 

And topic is about Intel's upcoming CPU series...

It's actually about Intel's Core X Series. And that whole line up, including this upcoming CPUs, was made obsolete last year.

Edited May 11, 2020 by Jaws2002

[robbiec]

Refresh of a refresh of a refresh of a refresh. Still fps king. I went with an R9 3900X on an existing X470 board so no interest other than a raised eyebrow at price and new chipset. So single threaded, yeah, multi threaded?

 

AMD all the way. I'm saving my pennies for the Gen 4 Threadripper. Gonna cost me the bones of €3k for board, chip and memory but Intel's difficulties couldn't have happened to a better company.

 

My memories go back to my first Athlon board, an Asus Am266, arriving in a plain white box because Intel had been putting pressure on Asus. Anti trust cases in the EU in the 00s practically paid out of the petty cash jar because they were fleecing consumers but nothing compared to what they were gouging at Enterprise level. Like IBM in the 80s, Microsoft in the 00s, some of these US giants need to learn a bit of humility.