Junkers 52 "Tante Ju" /Lisunov Li2/C47 ❤️Fan Club & Help

[Norbiee]

so basicly the the valves have to be open to max nearly allways if its warm, only in winter i leave it lower but on a normal day after take off you can leave both on about 80-90. ( she overheats like mad ) with the temp gauges, one is showing the oil temp entering the engine other is exiting the engine. that is why there is 6. I hope i helped a bit I am no expert.

 

Also i forgot to add i like to run the engine on max cooling before take off, idling the engine for a minute or two. After start up the exiting oil is close or over 100 degrees. makes takeoff smoother IMO.

This helps i hope

 

Noticeable change in airspeed due to rads and cowls open is not much unless you lower it to 70% or lower but thats really only possible on winter days.

Edited June 6, 2017 by 1./TG1_Norbiee

[hames123]

So what has our resident Ju52 Transport Gruppe done recently? And how heavy have their losses been? They are brave enough to fly multi in that, so I expect that they get downed alot. But K:D does not matter, winning for your team is better.

[sergio_]

Slowly but steadily I'm more and more into IL2.

Today this lady enters my hangar, and so I am now not only a fan of her, but also a proud owner.

 

And here's supporting and hoping to see this become reality (linked from this thread's opening post):

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

Where Eagles Dare...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Nil]

Nice Screens, thanks!

The last patch change log for our beloved:

 

Ju 52/3mg 4e:

10.135. Pitch balance and its dependence on the horizontal stabilizer and flaps have been corrected.

10.136. Flight stick load along the pitch axis at medium and high flight speeds has been slightly increased.

10.137. Pedals load at medium and high flight speeds has been significantly decreased.

10.138. Engine nacelles drag correctly increases as they are damaged.

Happy flying!

[InProgress]

Where Eagles Dare...

There is skin on forum in ju52 topic from that movie, so you could do it more realistically ;p

 

Ju52 getting older and still nothing new from devs and in multi still no missions for it ehh.. I hope at least for carrier mode but that would need still some new stuff, flying alone all the time gets boring, no bigger ju52 groups dropping paratroopers or flying with cargo to Stalingrad.

 

I am really hoping for more.

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

Yeah, I know I saw it and thought I had downloaded but I guess not.

 

Yes, this is why I am a little doubtful about new planes that have new potential features, useless unless all the right supporting elements are added to make it worthwhile and have some longevity.

Edited August 30, 2017 by [CPT]Pike*HarryM

[Nil]

The dev team are really really busy... we have to be patient I guess, we know that they are doing their very best.

Ju52 needs a russian counterpart and pilots should get "Support" points  when they are delivering and dropping for being really used in multi

Yes, flying alone is very boring, I agree 

[InProgress]

There is mission where you fly with supply to pocket in Stalingrad on WoL but it's rare... played it 2 times only. It would be nice to add stuff in multi that cargo drops will let soldiers in pocket fighting, dropping paratroopers could capture or build defences, drop them on enemy territory where 3 aaa guns defend bridge and they capture it and aaa guns are now om your side. Evacuate wounded soldiers etc.

 

All this would give you support points and would affect battle, thanks to supplies you could keep tank spawning and fighting attacking russian tank for example.

[Comes]

I guess in the new career we will be able to fly mission where we will be flying in formation with other Ju-52s.

[Monostripezebra]

A good plane:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgxC4BiF09A

 

as sturdy as a Junkers!

[ZachariasX]

A good plane:

 

as sturdy as a Junkers!

FYI, if you loop a real Ju52, you bend the wing spars. Swiss Air Force had them and someone did such a stunt. Although he could still land, they could throw away the aircraft...

[Retnek]

That's what I call a "Fliegerdenkmal" (flyers memorial), up to the tip of the radio mast "Deutsche Wertarbeit" (german high class workmanship). And today we're not able to deliver a proper diesel-engine because our companies are directed by a bunch of totally rotten businessmen. What a shame!

[xvii-Dietrich]

FYI, if you loop a real Ju52, you bend the wing spars. Swiss Air Force had them and someone did such a stunt. Although he could still land, they could throw away the aircraft...

It would be good if the sim detected this in some way and punnished the airframe accordingly. Otherwise you get people doing stupid stunt videos which detracts from the otherwise-good flight models and puts serious fliers off purchasing the Ju52.

 

 

 

 

 

There are some servers where you can fly medevac missions,probably the kind of mission I enjoyed always most in Ju 52.It is really remarkable how much variety the Ju 52 can add to the gameplay due to all those different mission types.Unfortunately it is very ungratefull,there are no points to earn,really a shame.

Agreed!

 

You can work hard on doing a slow, long-haul flight, then do a precision drop of supplies or troops and finally limp back home damaged, and it is 0-0-0-0-0-points all round. You can get the same thing sitting in a 109 with the engine off.

 

Stats could include so many things (kg cargo delivered, supply canisters dropped on target, paras deployed, flight hours, distance travelled, transport flights made, etc. etc.)

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

[Monostripezebra]

 

 

FYI, if you loop a real Ju52, you bend the wing spars. Swiss Air Force had them and someone did such a stunt. Although he could still land, they could throw away the aircraft...

 that must have been a really harsh pullout.. i think it was rated for 5g or so.

Edited September 24, 2017 by Monostripezebra

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

That's what I call a "Fliegerdenkmal" (flyers memorial), up to the tip of the radio mast "Deutsche Wertarbeit" (german high class workmanship). And today we're not able to deliver a proper diesel-engine because our companies are directed by a bunch of totally rotten businessmen. What a shame!

The TDIs are exvellent Engines. The only Difference between VW and the others is that they haven't been caught. And Petrol Cars will get their fair share of Scandal too, trust me. GM has been cheating since the 80s.

 

The Trouble for the Diesel is it's Combustion Temperature and Injector Pressure. 

 

Old Diesels up to Euro 2  produced a lot of Visible Soot, but were clean apart from that. Basically a Sign of inefficience. 

The Soot from these does not Cross into the Blood and is simply removed by coughed it up. These are no Hazard, just smelly. 

 

The Diesel Euro 3 to Euro 4 were optimized for that but the increased Temps meant that the Fine Particulate Emissions became a Problem. The Fine Particulate can Cause Cancer. That's why we got the Filters for those. 

 

In an Effort to further increase Efficiency Modern Diesels are reaching Temps in which Neither Soot nor Fine Particulates are produced in Significant Amounts, but the High Temperatures allow NOx to Form. And these are just poisonous in large Amounts. 

That's Euro 5

 

To Reduce their Emissions there is only one Solution: AdBlue. And that needs to be mixed in at a 5% Ratio. 

Well, a VW with a Fuel Consumption of 6l/100km has an AdBlue Tank of 12 liters. VW sais about 1 liter of AdBlue are consumed every 1000km. It should need 3. 

So they are cheating even now. And so are all other Manufacturers if you check them out.

 

The Catalyst on Petrol Cars works only at Lambda 0.98 to 1.02. Most Cars however are running everything from 0.7 to 1.5 depending on Throttle Position and Temperature. Below 12°C and above 25°C most Cars do not clean their Emissions at all. 

 

Additionally most Cars have a Test Stand Detection Tool in their ESP and ABS, GM back in the 80s had a Micro-Switch in the Electric Windows (because Americans have AC), which Detects wether the Car is on a Test Stand and will automatically go to an Engine Mapping that will give the Desired Emissions at the Cost of Fuel Consumption and Power. 

The Engines will run too lean at Full and too Rich at 0 Throttle, but who cares as long as Emissions are met?

 

The Diesels Run Cheat Mappings where the Engine Runs at Half Power, full Air, runs like Dogshit, a lot of Pre-Injection and very little Power Injection with Maximum Air Load and that way the Engine will Produce clean Air but if used in Reality be practically useless. 

 

Point is, every Car Producer right now is lying to you if they claim their Cars are actually clean outside a Test Environment.

Edited September 24, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus-Mann

[ZachariasX]

 that must have been a really harsh pullout.. i think it was rated for 5g or so.

Weekend warriors. There is nothing they can't break.

Edited September 24, 2017 by ZachariasX

[xvii-Dietrich]

This thread is for fans of the Ju 52 and DC-3.

 

So here is a picture of BOTH aircraft flying together.

 

[Lusekofte]

A good plane:

 

 

as sturdy as a Junkers!

wtf the antenna did not break , must be some sort of titanium antenna 

[ZachariasX]

wtf the antenna did not break , must be some sort of titanium antenna 

A Volksempfänger.

[Hummels]

Thursday September 28 will be the events after the events  Demyansk encirclement in1942 and Klin encirclement in December 1941. 

Thursday, meeting at 20:30 Moscow time, departure at 20:45

Teamspeak - 212.224.113.207 without a password.

Transports are collected in the blue channel SG2 password 1985.

 

Described in more detail here:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/6275-ivent-klinskij-kotel-1941-28-sent-2017g/?do=findComment&comment=560555
 

To register for the event here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LaWL4Bw1ps5Xw4r--M3rCa73UdWo_JO9eySv3Yv9nh4/edit#gid=0
 

Junkers 52 will be many. Join us if possible. There will be English-speaking pilots

Edited September 24, 2017 by 1/SG2_Hummels

[Monostripezebra]

This thread is for fans of the Ju 52 and DC-3.

 

So here is a picture of BOTH aircraft flying together.

 

I always thought those 2 planes are a pretty good complementary pair: the DC is the much better airliner and the Ju is the much better rough field cargo plane.

 

wtf the antenna did not break , must be some sort of titanium antenna 

 

It´s germany quality engineering!!11!

[hames123]

So, what have the transport pilots been doing? Any servers/events? I would like to suggest a major paradrop behind Soviet lines, with the Ju52s dropping paratroopers and supply canisters through an area of heavy flak.

[Hummels]

So, what have the transport pilots been doing? Any servers/events? I would like to suggest a major paradrop behind Soviet lines, with the Ju52s dropping paratroopers and supply canisters through an area of heavy flak.

The flight route and the composition of the forces you can see in the description. Thursday will be collected about 18 Junkers. The task is to drop supply containers. Join if possible, there are still places

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

So, what have the transport pilots been doing? Any servers/events? I would like to suggest a major paradrop behind Soviet lines, with the Ju52s dropping paratroopers and supply canisters through an area of heavy flak.

On TAW we routinely organize Flights of 6+ 52s to Supply Airfields and Paradrop. 

[xvii-Dietrich]

On TAW we routinely organize Flights of 6+ 52s to Supply Airfields and Paradrop. 

 

Does the TAW server calculate or report statistics for things like cargo unloaded or troops/canisters parachuted into drop zones?

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Does the TAW server calculate or report statistics for things like cargo unloaded or troops/canisters parachuted into drop zones?

Not as of now, will come hopefully. 

[56RAF_Roblex]

Just want to add my vote for an LI-2 to match the JU52.  I would love to fly a big heavy ungainly transport in to drop paras or deliver supplies but I only fly Allied.   I would gladly pay a premium to get it as a collector plane.

[EAF_Starfire]

I feel that we are ignored by the developers. Currently they have announced a La5FN and a 109G-6. Two more fighters among a lot of fighters.

Why?

What are they adding which is new and cannot be done done by other fighters?

 

NOTHING!

 

Absolutely nothing at all. Where a Russian transport really adds something to the Russian side!

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I feel that we are ignored by the developers. Currently they have announced a La5FN and a 109G-6. Two more fighters among a lot of fighters.

Why?

What are they adding which is new and cannot be done done by other fighters?

 

NOTHING!

 

Absolutely nothing at all. Where a Russian transport really adds something to the Russian side!

And a Po-2 for us. 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/30827-i-beg-you-give-us-po-2/?p=503641

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

And PS-84/Li-2 too.

 

Lighten up, they're planning to add recon and artillery spotting, on top of improving the mechanics of cargo missions and also building a carrier warfare game later on.

[xvii-Dietrich]

I feel that we are ignored by the developers. Currently they have announced a La5FN and a 109G-6. Two more fighters among a lot of fighters.

Why? What are they adding which is new and cannot be done done by other fighters?

 

 

The Li-2 is a large, twin-engined aircraft which is far more complex and involved than a pikku fighter.

 

Building the Bf-109 G6 is not starting from scratch. There are the E-7, F-2, F-4, G-2 and G-4 already availabe in the sim. It is easier to develop a new Bf-109 variant than a completely new Li-2. Likewise for the La5FN... there is already an La5-series8 to start from. (This is one of the reasons why I advocate a Ju52/3m W over, say, an Ar-196, BV 138 or He 115.)

 

From a financial point of view, it is easier money for the Devs to roll out another 109/La5 for the masses than it is to undertake a massive Li-2 development for the connoiseurs.                               

 

 

 

That said, the Devs have indeed already given us the Ju52, which is a superb aircraft. There are also already a selection of bombers, with the A-20 on the way. And, as mentioned, there is a suggestion of a possible Po-2. Jason Williams has also stated that he is supportive of the idea of diversifying aircraft types. So it is not just yet-another-fighter-sim.

 

 

What we, as pilots, can do is to continue to promote the virtues of flying a diverse selection of types. We can continue to present historical background and technical details to support a broader view of the air-war, rather than a tunnel-vision-dogfight-view. And we can reach out beyond the confines of the combat sim environment and promote the idea into the wider civil-aviation sim community, where there are countless transport pilots already flying.

 

Oh... and exercise patience too.

 

[Royal_Flight]

What we, as pilots, can do is to continue to promote the virtues of flying a diverse selection of types. We can continue to present historical background and technical details to support a broader view of the air-war, rather than a tunnel-vision-dogfight-view. And we can reach out beyond the confines of the combat sim environment and promote the idea into the wider civil-aviation sim community, where there are countless transport pilots already flying.

 

Oh... and exercise patience too.

 

I think this is a great point, that there is a huge untapped market out there of flight sim enthusiasts who aren't interested in combat and fighter duels and sitting at 5k metres while their team's attackers get slaughtered (not bitter), but who might enjoy longer flights carrying cargo behind the lines or doing paradrops or something like that. Flying a Ju-52 or Li-2/C-47 on a round trip and navigating there and back over unfamiliar terrain isn't vastly different to flying an Airbus or a 747 from one airport to the next, except that the passengers aren't usually armed to the teeth and don't often invite themselves out halfway through the flight to kill things on the ground.

 

The only concern is that the systems modelling isn't quite so advanced as might be required to hold interest (press E to start engine, no fuel management, GPS maps etc) that I'm not sure if the real hardcore civil aviation guys would be tempted.

The level of fidelity is a good compromise for combat sims where I don't want to spend ten minutes starting my engine each time, but for everyone?

 

I guess it's up to us to convince them.

 

But I'm all in favour of more transports and other diverse types.

[EAF_Starfire]

I am one of those sim pilots coming from 1C's former product, IL-2 1946.

What really made the Sqds keep coming was the "Scorched Eart Online War" campaign system (aka SEOW). 

SEOW gave birth to a diverse mission set; Missions where sim-pilots with other skills than dog-fighting skills could help their side outsmart the opponents.

We did long range recons in obsolete Blenheims in the desert which ended up denying the oppositions supplies.

We did night bombing runs in obsolete double deckers at low level into Italinen harbours.

We made SAR missions behind enemy line landing old russian doubledeckers rescuing 'pilots' and gaining points.

We did daring strikes on airfields long behind enemy lines in Mosquitoes

We had a guy flying Forward Air Controlller in a 1944 after D-day campaign.

We did high altitude escorts of B-17/B-24 deep into Nazi Germany late 1943 above 25.000ft

We did propaganda drops in C-47 (DC-3) and won a campaign.

The list of those special sorties are longer than my arms, but it would never have been possible for a god allround planeset, a good FMB and a very giving community 

 

There are other sim-combat pilots, than those flying fighters and a lot of those are not drive by matching their bombers with fighters. Some of those are driven by the result we achieve or by outsmarting the other sides fighterpilot. Flying badly armed or unarmed combat aircraft into a combat zone can create a lot of adrenaline, even though you never see an enemy aircraft. Especially if the stakes are high. There are sorties in which a single seat fighter simply can't cut it.

 

This WWII flightsim have great potential, but we need a more diverse plane'set.

 

 

[Gambit21]

I feel that we are ignored by the developers. Currently they have announced a La5FN and a 109G-6. Two more fighters among a lot of fighters.

Why?

What are they adding which is new and cannot be done done by other fighters?

 

NOTHING!

 

Absolutely nothing at all. Where a Russian transport really adds something to the Russian side!

 

Knock it off.

They are doing the wise thing from a revenue standpoint.

Without revenue, the whole thing dies.

I have no need for another 109, but the G6 will sell, and that consideration has to come first.

 

I want more transports, the Po-2 etc - those things will come in time.

Like Lucas said, lighten up.

[Royal_Flight]

I am one of those sim pilots coming from 1C's former product, IL-2 1946.

What really made the Sqds keep coming was the "Scorched Eart Online War" campaign system (aka SEOW). 

SEOW gave birth to a diverse mission set; Missions where sim-pilots with other skills than dog-fighting skills could help their side outsmart the opponents.

We did long range recons in obsolete Blenheims in the desert which ended up denying the oppositions supplies.

We did night bombing runs in obsolete double deckers at low level into Italinen harbours.

We made SAR missions behind enemy line landing old russian doubledeckers rescuing 'pilots' and gaining points.

We did daring strikes on airfields long behind enemy lines in Mosquitoes

We had a guy flying Forward Air Controlller in a 1944 after D-day campaign.

We did high altitude escorts of B-17/B-24 deep into Nazi Germany late 1943 above 25.000ft

We did propaganda drops in C-47 (DC-3) and won a campaign.

The list of those special sorties are longer than my arms, but it would never have been possible for a god allround planeset, a good FMB and a very giving community 

 

There are other sim-combat pilots, than those flying fighters and a lot of those are not drive by matching their bombers with fighters. Some of those are driven by the result we achieve or by outsmarting the other sides fighterpilot. Flying badly armed or unarmed combat aircraft into a combat zone can create a lot of adrenaline, even though you never see an enemy aircraft. Especially if the stakes are high. There are sorties in which a single seat fighter simply can't cut it.

 

This WWII flightsim have great potential, but we need a more diverse plane'set.

Whenever I hear people talk about those days I'm always disappointed that I missed them. It's like hearing veterans tell old war stories, for the flight sim community.

I had Il-2 Pacific Fighters in the DVD release when it was out about thirteen years ago and played it a lot, but just on singleplayer (and to be honest I wasn't very good). Never ventured online, and then had an extended break from flight sims so missed '46 with all the best modded content and all these crazy campaigns and servers and all.

To me now, it seems like those were the golden years of Il-2...

 

That idea of diverse missions sets requiring varied skills besides sitting at 5k metres and slagging off your team in chat, or persistent maps with objectives that allowed small squads on audacious raids thechane to affect the outcome, that sounds brilliant and makes me wish I had been there.

 

Long-range recon, or deep strike behind the lines? Bring it on.

Night torpedo attacks on battleships in harbour? Sign me up.

Landing behin enemy lines to rescue pilots? I would be there in an instant.

 

One of the devs (Jason maybe) said in a Q&A that they wanted to capture the "spirit of '46", and I think this is what that looks like. If we could have this sort of environment with these sort of options and opportunities in BoX with its high-fidelity flight models, sense of motion, graphics and level of detail, and the variety of roles and diversity of types as well as the general sandbox nature of the original, then we'll be in a very good place. And doubtless a period that people will look back on fondly for a long time.

[LLv34_Temuri]

Whenever I hear people talk about those days I'm always disappointed that I missed them.

FYI, the SEOW campaigns are still active. We just finished a Crimean campaign. Next one will take us to the Gothic Line in Italy.

[Royal_Flight]

FYI, the SEOW campaigns are still active. We just finished a Crimean campaign. Next one will take us to the Gothic Line in Italy.

Oh, really?

Where does one hear about them? And, is there a way to get involved?

[LLv34_Temuri]

Oh, really?

Where does one hear about them? And, is there a way to get involved?

On VARP forum: http://2ndvarp.net/forumdisplay.php?82-Scorched-Earth-Online-War