4.005 damage model

[TUS_Samuel]

 

Edited April 17, 2020 by TUS_Samuel

[Diggun]

that is some scary good shooting! Remind me never to get in front of you...

[Ghost666]

WOW just WOW  

[CUJO_1970]

BuT mUh FifTy CaLZ cAiNt dO ThAt tEh 109 iS tOo ToUgH aNd NeEdS tO bE FiXeD

[Raptorattacker]

Some darn fancy shootin' there pardner!

[TUS_Samuel]

Shvaks are not so good. Or maybe I've just found a strong place in bf-109 

 

 

[Diggun]

6 hours ago, TUS_Samuel said:

've just found a strong place in bf-109

That's whats happened, as was noted in the patch notes!

[CountZero]

7 hours ago, TUS_Samuel said:

Shvaks are not so good. Or maybe I've just found a strong place in bf-109 

 

 

 

Obviosly you need to try 88 AP/HE from flying Tiger ?

[[DBS]El_Marta]

Tra to shoot at the engine cowling or the rads. You are shooting into the fuselage.

[TUS_Samuel]

 

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, TUS_Samuel said:

 

This looks great, cant wait for new Yak-9T and its 37mm

[ROCKET_KNUT]

7 hours ago, CountZero said:

This looks great, cant wait for new Yak-9T and its 37mm

The smile is fake, only the tears are for real. The new DM, such a disappoinment, if you happen to fly Allies. Sigh.

[=FEW=Hauggy]

This will obviously get fixed, hopefully before more content gets released.

I want to say that coding is not an exact science but sadly by this is the type of reoccuring game breaking inconveniences that we've been used to.

The damage models where obviously not thoroughly tested.

Oddly enough it is quite the opposite for flying Circus planes, they fall into pieces with a couple hits.

Maybe there needs to be a change in the way updates are released because it feels like a neverending beta test to the average simmer.

I'm not denying the hard work behind it but it sucks to discover these issues after the updates are out when we just want to have fun and enjoy what we paid for on our limited spare time (that is when there's no quarantine).

Could it be that testing is not open to enough players?

[Raptorattacker]

1 hour ago, =FEW=Hauggy said:

sadly by this is the type of reoccuring game breaking inconveniences that we've been used to.

A bit extreme isn't it and, might I say, a wee bit doomy? Cheer up and take it for what it is maybe? A lot of people do exactly this and have great fun. I'm not saying there's not room for improvement but to call it 'game-breaking' on such a public space makes people wonder why on earth you play the game if you're so upset by it?

Just sayin'...

Rap

 

[=FEW=Hauggy]

Alright maybe it's not game breaking but it certainly alters the experience quite a bit.

I do love the game and want to see it succeed.

What I've experienced on flying Circus at least (not on the ww2 part which is mostly fine) was quite game breaking to me but that doesn't make it less of a good game/sim.

Sorry for my criticisms but don't get me wrong that's just how much I love Il-2, I'm also of an excessive nature.

I might be bitching here but elsewhere Im praising it.

Edited April 26, 2020 by =FEW=Hauggy

[6./ZG26_Custard]

From the recent DD

41. Bf-109 (all series except E7): the loss of the vertical stabilizer and the central part of the horizontal stabilizer is temporarily blocked due to the interdependence of this damage in the 3D model, which makes this point extremely vulnerable to combat damage and causes undesirable results. We will try to move the breaking point above the stabilizer in the future and fix this limitation. Damage to the rudder, elevators and horizontal stabs are still possible and the rudder and elevators can still be detached. And the left and right portions of the horizontal stab can also be lost.

 

People posting endless videos of dead six shooting 109's is pretty pointless until further hot-fixes are forthcoming.

 

The last update was a mammoth undertaking and it was inevitably that undesirable  effects would creep in. That is why the developers are continuing to work on it  along with the team of testers.

 

It's pretty insulting  to come on a public forum and say that game breaking inconveniences regularly happen when thousands upon thousands of hours have been devoted to making this sim a better product. It's has been improved remarkably over a few short years by a clearly dedicated team who what to give their customers the best product that they can.

 

It's also  insulting to say that not enough testing was done when I know how much time and dedication the group of testers have put into this ongoing project. 

 

As for people complaining about allied aircraft ineffectiveness , I can attest that they are still extremely effective as I have been shot down in my 110  numerous times since the latest update. This time with many more adverse effects  than before, such as loss of aerodynamic stability, ammunition/ fuel explosions etc.

 

We just have to have a little bit of patience and the fixes will be implement in due coarse. If people want to help with the project why not do some bug reports and post them in the relevant part of the forum? That would be so much more helpful that broad brush statements. 

 

  

[Raptorattacker]

@6./ZG26_Custard Well said. I couldn't have put it better meself! 

[Raven109]

1 hour ago, 6./ZG26_Custard said:

the loss of the vertical stabilizer and the central part of the horizontal stabilizer is temporarily blocked due to the interdependence of this damage in the 3D model,

 

He's shooting the under side of the tail most of the time, not the horizontal stab nor the rudder. He's even shooting the sides of the tail. So that quote from the DD doesn't apply.

 

I do agree about proper bug reporting though.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 26, 2020 by Raven109

[ROCKET_KNUT]

1 hour ago, 6./ZG26_Custard said:

"...makes this point extremely vulnerable to combat damage and causes undesirable results..."

Thank you 1C. I'll try to remember that bit next time I fly around in my A-20, getting one-shot by 30mils. ? Don't get me wrong, this is not a rant. Making fun of a bad situation helps dealing with the frustration building up. It works for me... sometimes... a bit... ?

[Aero*Bohemio]

14 hours ago, CountZero said:

This looks great, cant wait for new Yak-9T and its 37mm

Smiley emoji for the irony! But:

 

I won’t spend a single $ in any VVS plane anymore till i see real fixes.

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For most people here not checking russian forums, i share this video posted there by =2ndSS= squad:
 

 

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, 666GIAP_Chimango said:

Smiley emoji for the irony! But:

 

I won’t spend a single $ in any VVS plane anymore till i see real fixes.

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For most people here not checking russian forums, i share this video posted there by =2ndSS= squad:
 

 

 

Huricane do look more tempting now with all the mods, you can just use good old Hispanos , it was weard choice to me at start but it looks like it could be top seller now.

Cant wait for new Spitfire XIV, hope they make it before end of the year.

Oh man that P-38 looks realy good with that one 20mm also. Good stuff for players not switching sides and flying god tier stuf axis now have, this type of games aways atracked more axis stuff lovers so make their stuff unstopable should be good for game , more sale more players more AI online for them to fight and win wars vs no one.

 

Oh and Mosquito has good guns also, something to look forward for next year. Thouse Brits realy did have good forsight to make airplanes with guns that work in video games, poor americans and russians what did they think not using hispanos or stealing axis guns, and saving prototype airplanes for after war lol  

Edited April 26, 2020 by CountZero

[Aero*Bohemio]

Another one, while direct shots to the 109 engine works OK for most guns, 109 can take Vya23mm HE rounds to it's engine forever

VYa23mm HE rounds 

PS. CounZero: +1 (i ran out of emojis )

Edited April 26, 2020 by 666GIAP_Chimango

[CountZero]

SO if 109 got blocked tail damage, 190 and tempest should get it also as they can also fly with no problemos without it:

 

 

heck, just block that damage for all airplanes not just 109 and atleast all would have god mod on ?

Edited April 26, 2020 by CountZero

[Aero*Bohemio]

10 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Custard said:

As for people complaining about allied aircraft ineffectiveness , I can attest that they are still extremely effective as I have been shot down in my 110  numerous times since the latest update. This time with many more adverse effects  than before, such as loss of aerodynamic stability, ammunition/ fuel explosions etc.  

 

Sorry but no, the annoying part here is this is no coincidence, is a blatant decision to make MG151/20 more powerful as was confirmed by some testers who say "this is how it should be"; LW has panzerfaust launchers now. If this whole issue would be affecting all rounds i'd agree with you, but this is not the case as many videos have proven already.
 

10 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Custard said:

We just have to have a little bit of patience and the fixes will be implement in due coarse.

More patience? Some of us have been complaining about this since middle 2018; always ignored and also attacked in mass by testers and LW fans mainly. I'd be more patient if patches affected both LW and VVS, but it only affects one (again) and after a while starts to be frustrating.

 

10 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Custard said:

If people want to help with the project why not do some bug reports and post them in the relevant part of the forum? That would be so much more helpful that broad brush statements. 

Help the project? I thaught buying all products was quite some help. And many of us have made videos, and as i said before, were attacked; many testers when i posted a comparative video said "all is fine" "we don't care about MP testing" "you are biased". And then you ask for patience? Then more and more proof shows up here and in russian forum, and none say: "oops! he was right, sorry. We will check this discrepancy between MG151/20 and some VVS guns behaviour specially when shooting at 109s".

I didn't buy this product to become a professional tester.

If you guys really care about it, people who makes profit with this product and/or people who doesn´t but accepted the compromise to become a tester and work for 1C, gather all videos posted by many users and at least check them.; don't go burocratic mode like "if is not posted in the right area it doesn't help".  

Tests after tests, videos after videos show how LW has been benefited out of proportions by this DM; fix it please. 

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Edited April 26, 2020 by 666GIAP_Chimango

[Raptorattacker]

WOW! If I didn't know otherwise I'd say you HATED this game (it IS a game).

Rap

[Aero*Bohemio]

FW190 can take VYa23mm HE to the engine forever
 

 

[Haza]

12 hours ago, 666GIAP_Chimango said:

FW190 can take VYa23mm HE to the engine forever
 

 

 

Best you spend your peso on Luftwaffe then before fixes! On second thoughts looking at the exchange rates ...

Edited April 30, 2020 by Haza