Developer Diary 243 - Discussion

[Legioneod]

13 minutes ago, nickj123 said:

Props were switched in the field, even if it didn't come out of the factory like that it doesn't mean D-22s weren't fitted with the CE prop that was fitted to D-23s.

Except the prop operated in a different way from one another. It required a change of the entire hub/mechanism iirc. Prop changes were possible when the Hub was the same (Curtis Electric and A.O. Smith for example) but Hamilton was different and would not have been an easy field change iirc.

 

Also the prop in the WIP is defintiley not a CE prop or an AO smith prop, it's a Hamilton prop though in need of a bit of tweaking.

[Tbolt47]

8 hours ago, Legioneod said:

Except the prop operated in a different way from one another. It required a change of the entire hub/mechanism iirc. Prop changes were possible when the Hub was the same (Curtis Electric and A.O. Smith for example) but Hamilton was different and would not have been an easy field change iirc.

 

Also the prop in the WIP is defintiley not a CE prop or an AO smith prop, it's a Hamilton prop though in need of a bit of tweaking.

 

Exactly, you can't just change props, a HS prop has to be fitted to the HS hub. The CE hub can have six different types of blades fitted to it, on the D anyway, the M & N used a different CE hub and blade.

 

 

 

[nickj123]

 

Interesting discussion here around CE and HS props. Apparently the 56th FG preferred the CE props over the HS ones, going so far as to retrofit them to D-22s.

[Tbolt47]

9 hours ago, Legioneod said:

 

I was thinking the same thing and I had said something in my original post but removed it. I do agree though it needs fixing. The D-22 used the Hamilton Prop not CE.

 

Yes but not the D-22. The D-22 came from the factory with the Hamilton and it was a better prop than the Curtis. The prop in the WIP is clearly supposed to be a Hamilton as far as I can tell. It's just a little too tapered at the end and the hub is too small.

 

R-2800-59. Performance wise there was no real difference, I think just some changes with the ignition system iirc.

 

They have modelled the HS prop and hub it just needs some work. It would be nice if we could change props in game though to change performance, not that there's much in it with all the paddle blade props.

 

[Legioneod]

2 hours ago, Tbolt47 said:

 

They have modelled the HS prop and hub it just needs some work. It would be nice if we could change props in game though to change performance, not that there's much in it with all the paddle blade props.

 

Would be cool to see the Hamilton and Curtis Paddle Blades for the D-28 instead of the A.O. Smith.

With the Hamilton it pretty much becomes a D-27 (maybe even a D-25 with the right changes) and with the Curtis it's still a D-28 but with a better prop than the A.O. Smith.

 

So with just a prop change you could pretty much add multiple P-47 blocks, relatively simple compared to modeling an entire aircraft.

Edited March 12, 2020 by Legioneod

[Tbolt47]

2 hours ago, Legioneod said:

Would be cool to see the Hamilton and Curtis Paddle Blades for the D-28 instead of the A.O. Smith.

With the Hamilton it pretty much becomes a D-27 (maybe even a D-25 with the right changes) and with the Curtis it's still a D-28 but with a better prop than the A.O. Smith.

 

So with just a prop change you could pretty much add multiple P-47 blocks, relatively simple compared to modeling an entire aircraft.

 

When you say better prop than the A.O Smith one, they made the asymmetric prop which was also made by CE, that's why the tip has different markings on to distinguish between them, so it should be called asymmetric type not by the blade manufacturer. Just like the original "toothpick" prop could be made either by CE or Aeroproducts.

 

I always liked the look of the asymmetric prop though I don't know what the performance difference is between it and the symmetrical one.

[ACG_PanzerVI]

Question on DM - and the resultant graphic portrayal:  I have noted a scarcity of what I think of as catastrophic damage events in game.  It seems as though if you really put a lot of rounds into an a/c in sim, you get fire, wing off, fuselage off, folding up - sort of a rapid in-flight disassembly.  The explosion aspect doesn't seem to occur.  However, I've seen plenty of historical gun camera reels that lead me to believe that sometimes - maybe infrequently, but sometimes - airplanes flat out blew up.  Whether from a hit to an on board bomb, HE ammo belt, oxygen bottle or fuel tank, WWII airplanes did explode from time to time, leaving little but fluttering aluminum. and flaming falling engines.  I guess my real question is about the graphical depiction - I don't think that planes go from flying along happy to 'not-a-plane-anymore' at an improper rate, I just think that it would be more immersive to occasionally see one really blotted out.  In the case of bomb hits too, I would presume there is secondary hazard for nearby aircraft, in formation or from the attacker being too close.  

I'm assuming this is far from the first question on this - if anyone can provide a link to further forum discussion / basis I would appreciate.

[CountZero]

I noticed sudden explosions when hitting airplanes in this game, but i saw this only when playing single player, never saw it online.

[ShamrockOneFive]

19 minutes ago, pnzrldr said:

Question on DM - and the resultant graphic portrayal:  I have noted a scarcity of what I think of as catastrophic damage events in game.  It seems as though if you really put a lot of rounds into an a/c in sim, you get fire, wing off, fuselage off, folding up - sort of a rapid in-flight disassembly.  The explosion aspect doesn't seem to occur.  However, I've seen plenty of historical gun camera reels that lead me to believe that sometimes - maybe infrequently, but sometimes - airplanes flat out blew up.  Whether from a hit to an on board bomb, HE ammo belt, oxygen bottle or fuel tank, WWII airplanes did explode from time to time, leaving little but fluttering aluminum. and flaming falling engines.  I guess my real question is about the graphical depiction - I don't think that planes go from flying along happy to 'not-a-plane-anymore' at an improper rate, I just think that it would be more immersive to occasionally see one really blotted out.  In the case of bomb hits too, I would presume there is secondary hazard for nearby aircraft, in formation or from the attacker being too close.  

I'm assuming this is far from the first question on this - if anyone can provide a link to further forum discussion / basis I would appreciate.

 

It does happen here but it seems to have been a rarer thing since the last time they worked on the damage model. Perhaps it will increase again slightly.

 

It is quite spectacular when it happens. Pieces go flying everywhere!

[=FEW=fernando11]

7 hours ago, pnzrldr said:

Question on DM - and the resultant graphic portrayal:  I have noted a scarcity of what I think of as catastrophic damage events in game.  It seems as though if you really put a lot of rounds into an a/c in sim, you get fire, wing off, fuselage off, folding up - sort of a rapid in-flight disassembly.  The explosion aspect doesn't seem to occur.  However, I've seen plenty of historical gun camera reels that lead me to believe that sometimes - maybe infrequently, but sometimes - airplanes flat out blew up.  Whether from a hit to an on board bomb, HE ammo belt, oxygen bottle or fuel tank, WWII airplanes did explode from time to time, leaving little but fluttering aluminum. and flaming falling engines.  I guess my real question is about the graphical depiction - I don't think that planes go from flying along happy to 'not-a-plane-anymore' at an improper rate, I just think that it would be more immersive to occasionally see one really blotted out.  In the case of bomb hits too, I would presume there is secondary hazard for nearby aircraft, in formation or from the attacker being too close.  

I'm assuming this is far from the first question on this - if anyone can provide a link to further forum discussion / basis I would appreciate.

 

I know 190 wing mounted ammo for the 151/20 do/did explode in a spectacular fashion, ending your flight rather suddenly.

 

I think it was also posible on the il2.

 

But haven't seen it hapening for a while

Edited March 15, 2020 by =FEW=fernando11