Ground layer splits into two

[Paganini]

Hello

Can anybody shed any light on this problem? It started _after the latest Il-2 update_ and I've never seen this behavior before.

The ground textures and objects kind of split into two layers and it's impossible to guess where the actual terra firma is. This has happened so far in two careers, Bodenplatte and Kuban. Also once online with the Kuban map. When I quit the mission and start again, the problem is back there too.

Quick Missions (also Kuban and Bodenplatte) and some other careers seem to work ok. I haven't done very extensive testing, but those mentioned above at least created the split reality.

I attach a few pics from two separate Bodenplatte career tries.

IL-2 and NVidia driver versions are the latest (2020-03-01).

Hardware:
CPU:Intel Core i9 - Speed:4701.1 MHz - Multi:47.0 - Bus:100.0 MHz
RAM: - 32688 MBytesGB -
MB:TUF Z390-PLUS GAMING (WI-FI) - FW: - Desktop
OS:Windows 10 Pro
GPU1:NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti

 

[RedKestrel]

Can you get track files for the missions where this happens, so we can see if we can duplicate it? Also any mods enabled?

[CorvusX]

Hi,

if you don't run the editor and game at the same time (this can cause such problems), 

you can try to check the games integrity via Steam or if you use the launcher Version: delete the "updates" folder in the "IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of ..."  main folder and start the launcher to analyze the files and like RedKestrel said mods can be a problem too.

[Paganini]

As luck would have it, I couldn't repeat the problem now that I wanted to record it I'll try to get it right (wrong) and post a zipped track. Is the appropriate zipped subfolder in data/Tracks enough or do I need sth else?

Edit: I have no mods.

28 minutes ago, CorvusX said:

Hi,

if you don't run the editor and game at the same time (this can cause such problems), 

you can try to check the games integrity via Steam or if you use the launcher Version: delete the "updates" folder in the "IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of ..."  main folder and start the launcher to analyze the files and like RedKestrel said mods can be a problem too.

 

Thanks. I did the check via Steam and "1 file failed to validate and will be reacquired". Steam didn't give more information about the file, hopefully it just miraculously _happened_ to be the cause of this parallel universes thing.

Edited March 1, 2020 by Paganini
Forgot an answer

[-DED-Rapidus]

did the editor and the game not run at the same time?

[Paganini]

Do you mean mission editor? Nope. I just started a regular career. I haven’t had time to test more, but after repairing one corrupt file via Steam I succesfully tested starting a career twice. Hopefully that was it. If not, I’ll post more info. Thanks to all so far.

[BH_Adabadoo_VR]

I get this bug frequently. 

flying circus

quick missions 

happens on many maps

I use vr

I have tracks and YouTube. steams of it

 

 

[Paganini]

I had this phenomenon disappear finally by deleting and reinstalling the whole sim. I can only hope that this helps (haven't really had time to test but a few times).

[BH_Adabadoo_VR]

i did the delete update folder and reload

 

it still happens and in fact it just did

 

I think it happens more to me because I use VR?  I think something during loading is reseting my head center space and loading terrain out of wack when that happens which isn't always;.

 

If I perfectly setup up center of headset and it locks roomspace and centers view then steamvr is perfectly centered same.  THen game usually works too.

 

 

[Paganini]

I finally had some time to actually test this after reinstalling and it happened again with the latest update (forgot the number, but this is June 5th). Tried a couple of Bodenplatte careers in Tempest and here we go again: anti-gravity rivers, split landscapes, mystical tectonic deformations, floating forests etc.  A bit frustrating. Another Bodenplatte career in FW was ok.

[-DED-Rapidus]

Steam version?

[Paganini]

16 minutes ago, -DED-Rapidus said:

Steam version?

 

Il-2 version is the latest beta from steam, 4.007. This phenomenon first emerged several IL-2 versions ago.

 

If you mean Steam.exe version, file manager/properties shows this. I have it auto-updating.

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by 13thDukeWybourne
adding image

[-DED-Rapidus]

@13thDukeWybourne, try installing IL-2 again.

[Paganini]

1 hour ago, -DED-Rapidus said:

@13thDukeWybourne, try installing IL-2 again.

Thanks. Already tried that (see above). No joy.

Today did a couple of Bodenplatte quick missions near Cologne. Railways were missing (only the bordering treelines were visible). Rivers flowing up and down. Also enemy ground units were obviously firing at me from between two ground layers as tracers originated from empty ground. _Parts_ of their icons were visible from certain angles only. Some bridges in Cologne were half submerged, only pylons visible etc. Bodenplatte is unplayable for me at the moment. 

[Paganini]

After a couple of months rest and a few updates (Nvidia and IL-2) I tried a quick mission from Cologne. Still unplayable. 

I uploaded a short film on youtube.
 

https://youtu.be/XHfmiUrMj84

[-DED-Rapidus]

@13thDukeWybourne, this is very similar to the situation when the map editor is open and the game is running at the same time.

[FatsPaston]

I have been having the same problem.

It's more and more frequently since an update a few months back. Unfortunately I didn't notice it right away so I am not sure after which update it started.

Initially I was able to exit and restart and it worked. Then Verifying files through Steam became necessary and doing so worked for a while. Now I must verify every time I want play and that isn't a guarantee. It's becoming unplayable now.

 

I do have VR but this issue occurs in regular play all the time. To my knowledge I am not running the editor. I am just going straight into quick missions to test planes and it happens a lot. 

 

Has anyone figured out what this is all about? 

Is there a better way to ask/search the question?

I can't believe we two are the only ones experiencing this.

[[Pb]Bones18]

I've had this problem for months, it's lasted through a video card switch (2080 to 3080) and numerous patches.   It happens almost every time I initially load up the sim.  I have to go into a quick mission to see if things are floating, then I exit the sim and restart it and it's usually fine.   Very frustrating as it takes forever to just play the game with all the hoops I have to go through just to get started.  First posted about the issue here:

 

 

I don't run mods, and I've never used the mission editor.   I've reinstalled the sim.   Nothing fixes it.    I am also a VR user, but it happens in both VR and non VR.

 

Attached is a dxdiag, startup.cfg, track file from a quick start mission where it happened, and any files I could find modified from the same time stamp in the root data folder.  This mission wasn't in VR.   I'm willing to help in any way I can to fix this bug, it's incredibly frustrating and has severely limited my enjoyment of the sim.  It only happens when the mission is loaded.  It's not something that I've seen happen after the fact mid mission.   A good portion of the world's objects are shifted in the Z axis.  

Tracks.rar

Edited June 13, 2021 by [Pb]Bones18

[FatsPaston]

Thanks for replying.

 

Agreed, it is really frustrating and time consuming.

 

This bug really needs to be fixed.

 

Anyone else having this problem, please post.

[Paganini]

The game is quite a pain with this problem. I also do the Steam verifying (r-click/properties/local files/check integrity) when I get this layer split, but it's impossible to know for how long it helps Sometimes Steam replaces one minuscule file, like it just did when I tried, sometimes more files are replaced.

I upload two pictures again, first one with the split syndrome and the other after doing the Steam verify fix, which worked this time. There's quite a change in scenery, hill below the city has disappeared, as well as the mountains on the right... This invisible ground layer is not visible from high up, but only just when you are about to crash on it. Which of course makes the game unplayable. I have had this problem mostly with Kuban and Rhineland maps. I'm repeating the same old here, but at least the thread remains active

 

Edited June 16, 2021 by LLv32_Paganini
Clarified the text a bit. Hopefully.

[FatsPaston]

I guess all we can do is hope that the developers take notice and fix it some time.

 

I will copy the link to this thread and send it to support.

 

I would think they have seen this, but maybe not.

 

 

[=FR=kgb613]

 Ground split in two in any game mode either singleplayer or multiplayer. The problem seems to be MSAA not recognized when the game is first launched. So to resume here a quick fix tips: first, launch a quick mission. Second, go to setting, change MSAA to FXAA and save without restart. Third, rechange FXAA to MSAA and save with restart. Problem should be gone. So from my point that bug come from MSAA/FXAA, you should resolve that bug very annonying which probably is easy to fix, and furthermore that bug is present on the game from few time, since 2020, and is still here. Thank's.

[Hazzfantastik]

This happens to me each time I run the game and has been happening  for several integrations of the game. It's happened on different pcs I've owned, SSD or HDs. Also affects Tank Crew. Dog fighting is ok but trying to land or attacking ground targets is near impossible.

 

Possible Temporary fix:

      I can temporarily fix it for each session by deleting the 'Update' and 'Graphics' folders in the game directory and then run the launcher, which will redownload and install the missing folders. As long as I don't change maps I usually good until the next game session. So basically I do this each time before I run the game.

 

 

PC Specs

Nvidia 2060

AMD Ryzen 7 2700

SSDs

Windows 10

32Gb Ram

Non Steam Version of Game

 

[FatsPaston]

Thanks =FR=kgb613 !!!!

 

I went into my graphics settings and it was already set to FXAA. I switched it MSAA with a save and restart and voila!  No more split terrain!

 

Yahoooooooooooooo!

[-DED-Rapidus]

@FatsPaston, please make a report using the dxdiag program.

[FatsPaston]

Here we go again.

 

This bug just shows up all the time no matter what I do! This sim is now unplayable in my opinion.

I go through so many steps before loading it, just to find the layers split again. Very frustrating!

 

Switching the antialiasing  from MSAA to FXAA and back again worked a couple of time but since it's not a consistent fix, it's obviously not addressing the underlying issue.

 

I have been an IL Sturmovik fan for many many years through all iterations of the game since its beginning.

 

I find it unbelievable that the developers have not responded too nor corrected this issue.

 

I am seriously disappointed! 

 

By The Way  [Pb]Bones18's post above says it all! I have tried all of the steps mentioned by others in this thread and others about the same issue.

 

I did try to upload the DxDiag file here. For some reason it won't. I did read through the entire file and the report shows no errors anywhere on my system.

 

I will try to do what [Pb}Bones18 did as far as uploading other files to help the diagnosis if/when I have more time. 

 

I really don't want to give up this game. I have been a fan for years and years but I'm about done with it.

[Alexander9822]

Is there still no solution to this?

[Paganini]

 

40 minutes ago, Alexander9822 said:

Is there still no solution to this?

 

Updates come and go, but this continues. I just tried a quick mission and this is how it started. I rarely play at all because of this.

 

Edited November 13, 2021 by LLv32_Paganini
Editor induced mess

[Alexander9822]

What annoys me is that there is no communication with the tester team or the dev to solve this issue as it is game related.

[Alexander9822]

Latest update same issue

[-DED-Rapidus]

@Alexander9822, make a report using the dxdiag program please

[Alexander9822]

5 hours ago, -DED-Rapidus said:

@Alexander9822, make a report using the dxdiag program please

I already did 

 

[KodiakJac]

This is a screenshot of the Bodenplatte map today.

 

Now if I restart IL-2 Great Battles, this will likely be gone.  I've never seen it twice in the same place or on the same mission.  So for me it's not the end of the world, I just kill the mission and restart Great Battles, and reload the mission and so far that has always fixed the issue.  But it is happening every 3rd or 4th mission I fly.

 

I'm running an nVidia 2070 Super (driver version 496.13).  When I first saw this 2 or 3 weeks ago I was running v457.30  So I updated my driver the other day, but the problem is still showing itself.

 

Edited December 14, 2021 by KodiakJac

[-DED-Rapidus]

7 hours ago, Alexander9822 said:

I already did 

 

Great! now please take a screenshot of your graphics settings in the game.

[Alexander9822]

17 hours ago, -DED-Rapidus said:

Great! now please take a screenshot of your graphics settings in the game.

I replied in my other thread

[KodiakJac]

On 12/13/2021 at 7:57 PM, -DED-Rapidus said:

Great! now please take a screenshot of your graphics settings in the game.

 

Not sure if you meant me or Alexander, so here are mine...

 

 

[Alexander9822]

On 12/15/2021 at 8:27 PM, KodiakJac said:

 

Not sure if you meant me or Alexander, so here are mine...

 

 

Try turning off Landscape Filter and terrain roughness and see if that makes a difference?

[KodiakJac]

2 hours ago, Alexander9822 said:

Try turning off Landscape Filter and terrain roughness and see if that makes a difference?

 

Thanks, I'll give this a try!

[Alexander9822]

On 12/16/2021 at 11:39 PM, KodiakJac said:

 

Thanks, I'll give this a try!

Did it work?

[KodiakJac]

On 12/21/2021 at 1:49 AM, Alexander9822 said:

Did it work?

 

Still haven't had a chance to fly due to the holidays bustle, but I will try your suggestion when I get the chance.