You want to sell more FC vol 1?

[1PL-Lucas-1Esk]

If there was a historical PL WW1 unit, perhaps we would also used 'that' one's planes as a primary ones. Like Husar wrote - we will fly anything, just to have fun during the mission and to master new planes. Yestreday, for example, Sahaj and Husar were practising ground attacks with 20lb's, even if they are pure dogfight pilots. Funny thing is the 1.PL was a Central Powers unit in the old RB3D days. We used to fly D.VII mostly (and the N.28 when flying Entente). When we started to fly RoF, we 'become' an Entente unit because there were more CP units and we wanted to keep balance. Sure, everyone has its own plane preferences (I love German 2-seaters, many guys like Camel, however the S.13 and Alby are our standard training planes for new pilots)

[No.23_Gaylion]

Can't really dive away anymore so it's a bit of a moot point in FC. 

 

My shitty skill level still stands.

 

3 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

I used to stick to that plane, too.  But it had nothing to do with my skill level in it.  The Spad is, by far, the best aircraft for getting kills and staying alive.  It’s also the best aircraft for team fighting.  It’s easy to be “ok” when you can just dive away when you get in trouble.

 

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

You guys are crying about D7F's and Spad13's, try flying Bristol FII's and not getting FIII's across the enemy line having the whole F'ing German air force just waiting to pounce on you like a bunch of hungry kittens looking for their momma's tits. On top of that doing RECON that GIVES you NOTHING but more RECONS to do and that takes you more than HALF of the mission's time. Then you have to go out and bomb if you get the RECONS done just so you can actually win the mission which happens to be part of the idea here, you know win the war.

[No.23_Gaylion]

[Garven]

 

 

2 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

I used to stick to that plane, too.  But it had nothing to do with my skill level in it.  The Spad is, by far, the best aircraft for getting kills and staying alive.  It’s also the best aircraft for team fighting.  It’s easy to be “ok” when you can just dive away when you get in trouble.

Not really as easily done in FC with more accurate guns and the DVIIF's don't over rev like in they did in RoF.  I don't miss those features though because they were likely unrealistic.

[J99_Sizzlorr]

@3rd PG I don't want to forum fight all of you again. I just want you to enjoy my mission. Many hours of research, building, testing, building again went into it. And I wasn't thinking about how to make your squadron flying experience worse, like you like to believe. The only reason I started to create the mission was to show what is possible with the ME here in FC.

 

Therefor I think it is a pitty that you guys are not flying missions with limited Spads just for the fact that there is a number infront of your plane you limit yourself to. When i started to work out the planeset I didn't have you as a squadron in mind. I was just looking at the bigger picture. 

 

Maybe it is a mentality thing, we Europeans are used to not have everything in abundance, we just go with what is available and we worthship that.

 

Anyway you don't have to be afraid that I am creating anymore missions with limited planes in the future. 

  

11 minutes ago, NO.20_W_M_Thomson said:

You guys are crying about D7F's and Spad13's, try flying Bristol FII's and not getting FIII's across the enemy line having the whole F'ing German air force just waiting to pounce on you like a bunch of hungry kittens looking for their momma's tits. On top of that doing RECON that GIVES you NOTHING but more RECONS to do and that takes you more than HALF of the mission's time. Then you have to go out and bomb if you get the RECONS done just so you can actually win the mission which happens to be part of the idea here, you know win the war.

 

That was the live of a two seater pilot in a nutshell in WW1....takes balls to do that. How do you think the bomber pilots knew about the location of their targets? Those briefing room maps had to be drawn by somebody.

 

Pro tipp: If more than one pilot flies recons you can fly 3 simoultaniously.

Edited February 9, 2020 by J99_Sizzlorr

[No.23_Gaylion]

We don't ever NOT FLY your maps so I don't know where that's coming from.

 

We just constantly bitch while doing it.

[Garven]

56 minutes ago, J99_Sizzlorr said:

Nope...just that you have an agenda running there (leaving out facts that don't support your thesis)

 

 

26 minutes ago, J99_Sizzlorr said:

Therefor I think it is a pitty that you guys are not flying missions with limited Spads just for the fact that there is a number infront of your plane you limit yourself to.

17 minutes ago, US213_Talbot said:

We don't ever NOT FLY your maps so I don't know where that's coming from.

 

We just constantly bitch while doing it.

 

Edited February 9, 2020 by US93_Furlow

[No.23_Gaylion]

FC2: Morane Parasol vs. Taube 

 

Equality for all!

Edited February 9, 2020 by US213_Talbot

[J5_Gamecock]

37 minutes ago, NO.20_W_M_Thomson said:

You guys are crying about D7F's and Spad13's, try flying Bristol FII's and not getting FIII's across the enemy line having the whole F'ing German air force just waiting to pounce on you like a bunch of hungry kittens looking for their momma's tits.

 

 Thats funny. Just the other day I heard one of our guys say this....

 

 You guys are crying about Bristols, try flying CLII 180's and not getting CLII 200's across the enemy line having the whole F'ing Camel air force just waiting to pounce on you like a bunch of hungry kittens looking for their momma's tits.

 

  All kidding aside, We've been flying FIF with a very limited plane set... and having a lot of fun doing it.

 

  Perhaps it's time to put this topic back on the rails.

Edited February 9, 2020 by J5_Gamecock

[ZachariasX]

1 minute ago, J5_Gamecock said:

You guys are crying about Bristols, try flying CLII 180's and not getting CLII 200's across the enemy line having the whole F'ing Camel air force just waiting to pounce on you like a bunch of hungry kittens looking for their momma's tits.

 

You prefer 4 or 6 gun Dolphins?

[J5_Gamecock]

1 minute ago, ZachariasX said:

 

You prefer 4 or 6 gun Dolphins?

Hmmm...

[WWBiker_]

35 minutes ago, J99_Sizzlorr said:

 

 

Pro tipp: If more than one pilot flies recons you can fly 3 simoultaniously.

we are not knocking your maps they are great work I personally have looked at how much work you put into them . Three of us tried your pro tip after two of us attained successful recons we decided to head back with the third guy for cover, that's when the 10 mins. till end of mission came up, very frustrating. Perhaps just a couple of passes would be enough, and a few F3 for a bonus after a recon so we can bomb the crap out of ya all 

Edited February 9, 2020 by NO.20_D_McGoun

[JG1_Butzzell]

5 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

You prefer 4 or 6 gun Dolphins?

 

In a more controlled setting like a tournament, the weapons can be restricted. In FiF the Dolphins get 2 guns / no bombs. Same for Camels.

[BMA_Hellbender]

5 hours ago, J99_Sizzlorr said:

Remembering how much flak i got for putting up a limited and in my eyes balanced planeset I refuse to spend hours on a mission with a restricted planeset. I have better stuff to do with my limited time.

  

1 hour ago, US213_Talbot said:

Hey, guilty as charged man.

 

To be fair I never asked for unlimited SPADS. Just bumped up a little.

 

I stick to this plane because I'd rather be ok in one plane than mediocre in a bunch of them.

 

The D.VIIF should be limited severely (3-4 or so), there's no question about it. Their only task should be to intercept Bristols who cross over into Central lines, but good luck getting people to actually stick to that and not just go hunting Camels and other assorted wildlife. Leave their airfield somewhere way in the back and hope for the best, I guess.

 

SPADs should be limited within reason (8-10 or so), mostly because we simply don't have the sector in which they operated in any significant number, but that's not our fault. The best way to balance them is to give them an airstart some 20 minutes South from where the action takes place. Probably not possible on the current map.

 

S.E.5as should be equally limited, simply for historical purposes (no Wolseley Vipers available until the summer), but they should be closer to the front.

 

Camels should be unlimited. Also their fuel should be locked at 75% along with bomb racks. Go attack some trenches, damnit!

 

Bristol F.III and Halberstadt 200hp limited to 1 per recon objective.

 

 

There, I think I've pissed off both sides equally. ?

 

 

The rest I don't really see much of a problem with. Albies, Pfalzes, Dr.Is and Dolphins, more power to anyone who wants to fly those. Bristols (F.II) should be pretty much bombing things everywhere behind enemy lines, while Halberstadts (180hp) should be on trench attack and run into (slightly heavier) Camels — although it's bad enough as it is when you run out of ground targets on a map and you realise that the best time to fly is when no one else is on. It's kind of okay, though, it makes the server useful 95% of the time when it's empty. Still, I'll admit that it's "gaming the game", something that I've never been accused of before.

Edited February 9, 2020 by J5_Hellbender

[ZachariasX]

You guys take having a bit of fun to a very, very elaborate level. I mean if you plan to stay among yourselves, grand. If you want to provide a minimal impression of fun to new blood that is not organized and on comms however...

 

I just don‘t see the fuss about the Camel. It is about the only plane that allows you to trade some blows against a pack on comms, but up high it is a delicate snd rather mediocre aircraft.

 

Forcing the Dolphin is fine, but if you have Dr.I present (never mind D7F) all you can do is hit and run. In most cases fights will be just head on attacks then running for home. If that is what fun is to you, good luck with your server.

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

42 minutes ago, J99_Sizzlorr said:

That was the live of a two seater pilot in a nutshell in WW1....takes balls to do that. How do you think the bomber pilots knew about the location of their targets? Those briefing room maps had to be drawn by somebody.

 

Pro tipp: If more than one pilot flies recons you can fly 3 simoultaniously.

I know that as a fact, the real 20th had 50% casualty's, Was brave men flying those contraptions, And yes I know if we have more than 3 Bristol's we can do all the recons at 1 time, but we don't always have 3 recon birds up. Were lucky if have 3 up at once, we have 5 members in our squad but we can't all make it at the same time. All I'm saying is limit the recons to 1 or 2, so it gives us more time to bomb, it helps the central side too you know.

 

15 minutes ago, J5_Gamecock said:

You guys are crying about Bristols, try flying CLII 180's and not getting CLII 200's across the enemy line having the whole F'ing Camel air force just waiting to pounce on you like a bunch of hungry kittens looking for their momma's tits.

Um those CLII's have some nasty guns and are one tough bird, They can at least take out far more attackers than the Bristol can, yah their slow but the ammo from those guns are not. Plus you can bomb at any height were the Bristol you need to be at 10,000 feet or the bombing sight will not work. and it has to be at 10'000 feet not 11'000 feet or 9,000 feet.

 

I'm not trying to start a fight about bombers, we don't have enough of them on either side. And I think both sides have their plus and minuses. Actually has any side ever win a mission by finishing all the objectives?

[No.23_Triggers]

4 hours ago, J99_Sizzlorr said:

@3rd PG I don't want to forum fight all of you again. I just want you to enjoy my mission. Many hours of research, building, testing, building again went into it. And I wasn't thinking about how to make your squadron flying experience worse, like you like to believe. The only reason I started to create the mission was to show what is possible with the ME here in FC.

 

Therefor I think it is a pitty that you guys are not flying missions with limited Spads just for the fact that there is a number infront of your plane you limit yourself to. When i started to work out the planeset I didn't have you as a squadron in mind. I was just looking at the bigger picture. 

 

Maybe it is a mentality thing, we Europeans are used to not have everything in abundance, we just go with what is available and we worthship that.

I never wanted to forum fight you in the first place! I've enjoyed facing you in the sky and appreciate the work you've put into the map, and making FC more fun for newcomers. 

When it comes to "Targeting the 3rd PG", what you have to understand is that we very rarely see anybody else flying SPADs, apart from the odd lone wolf...so, when SPADs are being limited despite the fact that not very many people are flying them, and the SPAD is an integral part of our historical squadron identity, it's easy for us to misconstrue it as a 'personal' thing. That might just be our misunderstanding! 

You mentioned Baer's stream earlier - I don't know if any of our guys mentioned, but Baer only streams on Thursdays, which is our "Operations Night". We have a 'Historical Role-play' theme to the night, so the SPAD is a pretty vital part of that, seeing as the USAS Pursuit Squadrons only ever employed N28s, SPAD VIIs and SPAD XIIIs. As the former two aren't in-game, the SPAD XIII is all we have (historically speaking). 

1 - Please understand that this isn't true! As Talbot said, If we show up to a server, we always fly something...we just vastly prefer Spads - like yourself and D.VII Fs, as Furlow pointed out. We'll take whatever's available, but we'll always pick a Spad if there is one to take, or unless we're messing around!

2 - I'm from the UK. Do we still count as European?  ( before you ask - there were no active RFC / RNAS Squadrons at the time I joined US103!)

Anyway, I'm not trying to brew any Bad Blood between us. I think our forum spats have just come from a lack of context on both sides!

P.S - I missed you in FiF mission 1 

Edited February 9, 2020 by US93_Larner

[No.23_Gaylion]

5 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

I used to stick to that plane, too.  But it had nothing to do with my skill level in it.  The Spad is, by far, the best aircraft for getting kills and staying alive.  It’s also the best aircraft for team fighting.  It’s easy to be “ok” when you can just dive away when you get in trouble.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[J99_Sizzlorr]

57 minutes ago, US93_Larner said:

I never wanted to forum fight you in the first place! I've enjoyed facing you in the sky and appreciate the work you've put into the map, and making FC more fun for newcomers. 

When it comes to "Targeting the 3rd PG", what you have to understand is that we very rarely see anybody else flying SPADs, apart from the odd lone wolf...so, when SPADs are being limited despite the fact that not very many people are flying them, and the SPAD is an integral part of our historical squadron identity, it's easy for us to misconstrue it as a 'personal' thing. That might just be our misunderstanding! 

You mentioned Baer's stream earlier - I don't know if any of our guys mentioned, but Baer only streams on Thursdays, which is our "Operations Night". We have a 'Historical Role-play' theme to the night, so the SPAD is a pretty vital part of that, seeing as the USAS Pursuit Squadrons only ever employed N28s, SPAD VIIs and SPAD XIIIs. As the former two aren't in-game, the SPAD XIII is all we have (historically speaking). 

1 - Please understand that this isn't true! As Talbot said, If we show up to a server, we always fly something...we just vastly prefer Spads - like yourself and D.VII Fs, as Furlow pointed out. We'll take whatever's available, but we'll always pick a Spad if there is one to take, or unless we're messing around!

2 - I'm from the UK. Do we still count as European?  ( before you ask - there were no active RFC / RNAS Squadrons at the time I joined US103!)

Anyway, I'm not trying to brew any Bad Blood between us. I think our forum spats have just come from a lack of context on both sides!

P.S - I missed you in FiF mission 1 

 

Allright then, maybe I should take a chill pill and burry my hatchet, when you burry your Tomahawk.

 

Sometimes I type myself in rage. Sorry for that guys. I also enjoy facing you in the sky that is probably why I was pissed when you stopped showing up. I also like to keep it friendly and respectful between us, besides the usual friendly banter.

 

Couldn't make it to FiF mission 1 was too sick to fly. I hope you undestand where the planeset decission is coming from. Besides I see more and more people flying Spads on the J5 Flugpark. I'm calculating some numbers, and thinking about balancing the shitty FC planeset without hampering your Spad buisness. Thinking about putting up more Spads with a higher respawn timer than 10 min and fewer Fokker D.VIIfs with lower respawn timer than 15min. It is not easy to find a sweetspot there, because it is also highly depending on player numbers. Now that we have 65 slots and Sundays are usally maxed out I'm willing to change some things.

 

@US213_Talbot  that were some lucky hits...

 

Back to topic: How much would your suadron enjoy a mission with restricted planes working your way up to better planes as suggested by 1PL?

Edited February 9, 2020 by J99_Sizzlorr

[No.23_Triggers]

 

55 minutes ago, J99_Sizzlorr said:

Back to topic: How much would your suadron enjoy a mission with restricted planes working your way up to better planes as suggested by 1PL?

 

We'd probably have a lot of fun! Unless it was on Thursday  at least, I would! 

What counts as the 'base' plane for Entente, though? It must be the Dolphin, right? 

Edit: and what about the Bosche? Alb, or Pfalz? 

Edited February 10, 2020 by US93_Larner

[WWBiker_]

1 hour ago, US93_Larner said:

  1 hour ago, J99_Sizzlorr said:

Back to topic: How much would your suadron enjoy a mission with restricted planes working your way up to better planes as suggested by 1PL?

If you did implement that thru recons and bombing success it would help bring squads to cover the bombers to insure success that benefits the whole side.... the dogfights would come later in the mission......sounds like the way a war should be to me 

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

9 minutes ago, NO.20_D_McGoun said:

If you did implement that thru recons and bombing success it would help bring squads to cover the bombers to insure success that benefits the whole side.... the dogfights would come later in the mission......sounds like the way a war should be to me 

Yes we want to be part of this war too. 

[J99_Sizzlorr]

55 minutes ago, NO.20_D_McGoun said:

If you did implement that thru recons and bombing success it would help bring squads to cover the bombers to insure success that benefits the whole side.... the dogfights would come later in the mission......sounds like the way a war should be to me 

 

It kind of is implemented in that way already...

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

1 hour ago, NO.20_D_McGoun said:

If you did implement that thru recons and bombing success it would help bring squads to cover the bombers to insure success that benefits the whole side.... the dogfights would come later in the mission......sounds like the way a war should be to me 

 

This is why I suggested that aircraft progression be heavily, or even wholly, dependent on two-seater missions.

 

Preferably in such a way as to guarantee a steady stream of such aircraft going after objectives; rather than "okay it's unlocked, now we can stop".

Edited February 10, 2020 by J28w-Broccoli

[Feathered_IV]

14 hours ago, J99_Sizzlorr said:

No that doesn't work either, because people don't like to fly 2-seater-missions (speaking recon missions). They see themseles as victims.

 

No not at all.  Sneaking in and out undetected;  It's more like being a jewel thief. 

[J2_Trupobaw]

 

On 2/10/2020 at 12:43 AM, J99_Sizzlorr said:

 

Back to topic: How much would your suadron enjoy a mission with restricted planes working your way up to better planes as suggested by 1PL?

Back to my pet peevee - there is whole mechanism for that, open source and available to public,  in form of Coconuts online campaign generator ; if you want to fly a plane from front field, you must ferry it from plane park at the rear and once you fail to return it (or enemy bombs it on the ground) , you must ferry another. If it's available. 

[HagarTheHorrible]

2 hours ago, J2_Trupobaw said:

 

Back to my pet peevee - there is whole mechanism for that, open source and available to public,  in form of Coconuts online campaign generator ; if you want to fly a plane from front field, you must ferry it from plane park at the rear and once you fail to return it (or enemy bombs it on the ground) , you must ferry another. If it's available. 

 

That sounds good, especially if there is re-arm, repair and re-fuel at airfields.  What happens if you force land, without totalling the aircraft or land at an airfield that isn’t being used as a spawn point, do you still get sent back to the gear in the rear ?

[J2_Trupobaw]

It's literal "land on spawn airfield and quit mission, your plane is available for you on that field now" mechanism. As long as you keep returning to spawn fields, your airframes wait whereever you last landed them. Otherwise, they are lost.