DCS

January 17

2 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

I think I saw someone catch one of those once, fishing off Brighton pier. They threw it back...

Seriously. Something that ugly needs to be burned to ashes.

January 17

1 hour ago, AndyJWest said:

The F-35 will only be 'full fidelity' in as much as you take ED's word that they can hand-wave reliable data from video clips and press releases.

Im downloading Warthunder. I reckon 10 hours playing it is all I need to become an SME for ED these days..

January 17

8 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Seriously. Something that ugly needs to be burned to ashes.

Innerloop's JSF (a quite interesting odd little sim from back in the day) had the X-35 and X-32 flyable... when offered either, well, surprisingly enough... the X-32 was actually more charming.

January 17

1 minute ago, Avimimus said:

Innerloop's JSF (a quite interesting odd little sim from back in the day) had the X-35 and X-32 flyable... when offered either, well, surprisingly enough... the X-32 was actually more charming.

All kidding aside, the final version of that aircraft was going to look a lot better. But the prototype that they actually put in the air was ugly as sin.

January 17

I'm all in for the F-15c, never thought we'd get a full fidelity version.

The dynamic campaign stuff looked really good as well, I hope its not just single player, and can bee flown multiplayer too.

Edited January 17 by DD_fruitbat

January 17

8 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

All kidding aside, the final version of that aircraft was going to look a lot better. But the prototype that they actually put in the air was ugly as sin.

Yeah, but Innerloop's design was patterned on the X-32!

January 17

15 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Mig-29A 9.12 is going to feel pretty dated... of course, I like dated.

The Fulcrum definitely has a place in the game, probably the only legitimate full fidelity 4th gen redfor plane the game will ever get. That said, with it, the F-5 "remaster" and now the F-15 going full fidelity, I'm starting to see a precedent being set I'm not sure I'm really a fan of, basically re-selling the same aircraft just with "clicky pits" and maybe a new weapon or two.... time will tell I guess...

January 17

58 minutes ago, DBFlyguy said:

The Fulcrum definitely has a place in the game, probably the only legitimate full fidelity 4th gen redfor plane the game will ever get. That said, with it, the F-5 "remaster" and now the F-15 going full fidelity, I'm starting to see a precedent being set I'm not sure I'm really a fan of, basically re-selling the same aircraft just with "clicky pits" and maybe a new weapon or two.... time will tell I guess...

Thats fair to a degree, but I don't ever fly he MiG-29 or the F-15 (despite having owned them for years), because they're not full fidelity and amongst other things like less systems being modelled, they don't have clicky pits.

January 18

23 hours ago, DD_fruitbat said:

I'm all in for the F-15c, never thought we'd get a full fidelity version.

The dynamic campaign stuff looked really good as well, I hope its not just single player, and can bee flown multiplayer too.

I’ve been expecting it for a long time - low hanging fruit really all things considered. I just wish it was an older model/suite.

January 18

Wags answer questions.

January 18

52 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

Wags answer questions.

OH....so thats what the city was in the 2025 video - Berlin!.

Edited January 18 by BOO

January 18

18 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

I’ve been expecting it for a long time - low hanging fruit really all things considered. I just wish it was an older model/suite.

A F-15A would of been nice, but you can kinda fudge an earlier Eagle by turning off data link, disabling JHMCS and GPS along with limiting the loadout to earlier sidewinders and Sparrows..

January 18

1 hour ago, DD_fruitbat said:

A F-15A would of been nice, but you can kinda fudge an earlier Eagle by turning off data link, disabling JHMCS and GPS along with limiting the loadout to earlier sidewinders and Sparrows..

Yep - I’m up to my eyeballs working on single missions for an upcoming 3rd party aircraft, but this announcement has my gears turning.

January 18

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

Yep - I’m up to my eyeballs working on single missions for an upcoming 3rd party aircraft, but this announcement has my gears turning.

Yeah, I'm pretty excited about the F-15C, its an awesome plane and the FC version just doesn't do it for me.

Not really into fat Amy, but I find the over reaction hate pretty funny. No plane in DCS is completely accurate, for various reasons, missiles under perform, so do radars, because no one is going to put the actual numbers out there because they don't want to go to jail. Lockheed Martin have obviously signed off on this, my guess (and it is just a guess) is that the other part of ED's business could well be involved with making a F-35 trainer for one of the nations using it, which has led to its inclusion into DCS, as has happened in the past with other modules.

January 18

51 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said:

Yeah, I'm pretty excited about the F-15C, its an awesome plane and the FC version just doesn't do it for me.

Not really into fat Amy, but I find the over reaction hate pretty funny. No plane in DCS is completely accurate, for various reasons, missiles under perform, so do radars, because no one is going to put the actual numbers out there because they don't want to go to jail. Lockheed Martin have obviously signed off on this, my guess (and it is just a guess) is that the other part of ED's business could well be involved with making a F-35 trainer for one of the nations using it, which has led to its inclusion into DCS, as has happened in the past with other modules.

Not sure what other reaction "we are going to base the FM on airshow footage and some basic mathematical guess work" deserved.

As you say though, everything in DCS has the veneer of study level but is more procedural than anything else. I suspect you are right with the military offshoot thing.

Rough with the smooth - Fulda is on the way and I always have my Hip.

January 18

1 minute ago, BOO said:

Not sure what other reaction "we are going to base the FM on airshow footage and some basic mathematical guess work" deserved.

As you say though, everything in DCS has the veneer of study level but is more procedural than anything else. I suspect you are right with the military offshoot thing.

Rough with the smooth - Fulda is on the way and I always have my Hip.

Looking forward to getting a look at the Fulda map! Lots of potential there.

January 19

12 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Looking forward to getting a look at the Fulda map! Lots of potential there.

Although Iraq appears to have found a way of not making everything look like fuzzy felt on a jelly mould, Im hoping Urgra have stuck to what they do best and that Fulda is a "handmade" map or, at least, a map with some finesse outside of Berlin and Templehoff of the type so chronically missing in Kola and, currently Afghanistan.

January 19

13 hours ago, DD_fruitbat said:

Not really into fat Amy, but I find the over reaction hate pretty funny.

ED have caused this themselves, IMO. Their PR people have shot down many suggestions with 'the docs aren't available,' so when they now announce a plane based on the skimpiest of data sources, people obviously will at the very least feel like something has changed, while ED is not openly stating why and how things changed exactly. Then of course people will speculate themselves, in the absence of a clear and truthful statement.

On the one hand you have people who worry that the game will shift towards more arcady/War Thunder gameplay, and on the other hand you have people who are unhappy because all kinds of common sense improvements have been denied based on a policy that suddenly no longer seems to apply. But even then there is no clarity whether this is a broader policy change, or whether the F-35 is some kind of exception.

Edited January 19 by Aapje

January 19

7 minutes ago, Aapje said:

ED have caused this themselves, IMO. Their PR people have shot down many suggestions with 'the docs aren't available,' so when they now announce a plane based on the skimpiest of data sources, people obviously will at the very least feel like something has changed, while ED is not openly stating why and how things changed exactly. Then of course people will speculate themselves, in the absence of a clear and truthful statement.

On the one hand you have people who worry that the game will shift towards more arcady/War Thunder gameplay, and on the other hand you have people who are unhappy because all kinds of common sense improvements have been denied based on a policy that suddenly no longer seems to apply. But even then there is no clarity whether this is a broader policy change, or whether the F-35 is some kind of exception.

DCS makes a big show about being so very realistic and that their FM's are top notch.

However, when you bring something up that sticks out like a sore thumb, like how their FM's compares to IRL when it comes to tanker hook-ups, they stonewall and try to bury it by locking the thread.

Take a look at how one of the DCS devs handles this thread about how their DCS F-18´s FM compares with how a real F-18 tanker hook-up looks like.

Other threads stay open but this one was closed ASAP. I wonder why?.....

January 19

4 hours ago, Holtzauge said:

DCS makes a big show about being so very realistic and that their FM's are top notch.

However, when you bring something up that sticks out like a sore thumb, like how their FM's compares to IRL when it comes to tanker hook-ups, they stonewall and try to bury it by locking the thread.

Take a look at how one of the DCS devs handles this thread about how their DCS F-18´s FM compares with how a real F-18 tanker hook-up looks like.

Other threads stay open but this one was closed ASAP. I wonder why?.....

I would not say they do. Not any more than other developers. And your linked topic, just show how a forum works. It was not buried,

mot just started to repeat itself. If I done that witch I by the way have, I would have been banned here and in CB site. Witch I also have.
They call it spamming.
Personally I would not call the Hornet wobbling , it might be but I find other jets in DCS much more wobbling and I have only DCS as a mark bench like so many other experts. I find if nothing else F 18 easy to fly and land compared to other.

January 19

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

I would not say they do. Not any more than other developers. And your linked topic, just show how a forum works. It was not buried,

mot just started to repeat itself. If I done that witch I by the way have, I would have been banned here and in CB site. Witch I also have.
They call it spamming.
Personally I would not call the Hornet wobbling , it might be but I find other jets in DCS much more wobbling and I have only DCS as a mark bench like so many other experts. I find if nothing else F 18 easy to fly and land compared to other.

You didn't look at the videos I posted in that thread comparing the IRL F-18 tanker hook-up in severe turbulence with DCS hook-ups did you?........

January 19

8 hours ago, BOO said:

Although Iraq appears to have found a way of not making everything look like fuzzy felt on a jelly mould, Im hoping Urgra have stuck to what they do best and that Fulda is a "handmade" map or, at least, a map with some finesse outside of Berlin and Templehoff of the type so chronically missing in Kola and, currently Afghanistan.

I agree. I crashed into a greenhouse while trying to hover the Huey, broke said greenhouse, and there were banana trees inside!

January 19

1 hour ago, Holtzauge said:

You didn't look at the videos I posted in that thread comparing the IRL F-18 tanker hook-up in severe turbulence with DCS hook-ups did you?........

No, but I think you can fly better sitting in the actual cockpit in a actual plane. I would not know, and I do not disagree with you on FM. All I am saying is that here and in CP I get banned for same conduct, and I do not know why. So moderating the topic is on line with everywhere, not worst anyway

January 23

Hi all, as I'm trying to get my flight sim mojo back I'm thinking of getting a new PC for the likes of DCS. Currently running a 4690 and a 980Ti which has been great but is now ancient!
Not really looking at VR, but do want 1440 with decent visuals.
I know the new 5xxx cards are due, but am seriously thinking 7800x3d/7900xtx with maybe 64gigs of ram, unless 32 is still ok for DCS?
Any thoughts?

January 24

People are claiming on the DCS forums that 64 GB makes a substantial difference.

The 24 GB of the XTX is a good upside for the 7900 XTX, although the lack of FSR 4 is a shame.

At least the 7800X3D seems to be back in stock for somewhat decent pricing, although you might be able to get the better 9800X3D if you wait a little. Although it is hard to judge how soon they will flood the market with those things, but they surely will do so.

January 24

S!

If going to a new system, it is better to go straight for 9800X3D unless you get a very good deal on a 7800X3D. Depending on budget it is up to you if choosing X670 or X870 motherboard. I run a X670E mobo.

Using 64Gb of RAM and have seen usage of over 42Gb in DCS. Depends on map and settings of course.

7900XTX is a good card and at least in US you can get them a lot cheaper than here in EU. Again if not in a hurry I would look how the upcoming 9070XT will do. Release in march and if leaks are to be believed has very close performance to 7900XT or better.

January 24

@LLv24_SukkaVR

Right now a 7800X3D probably makes more sense, given that the 9800X3D is 11% faster, but the current pricing is higher than than, and availability is poor. But this might resolve itself relatively soon, depending on how long it takes AMD to ramp up production.

January 24

19 minutes ago, Aapje said:

@LLv24_SukkaVR

Right now a 7800X3D probably makes more sense, given that the 9800X3D is 11% faster, but the current pricing is higher than than, and availability is poor. But this might resolve itself relatively soon, depending on how long it takes AMD to ramp up production.

In the UK the 9800X3D is floating just £50 higher than the 7800X3D although both are selling highish at £499 and £449 repsectively.

January 24

I didn't check that market. With that price difference I would get the 9800X3D.

January 24

51 minutes ago, BOO said:

In the UK the 9800X3D is floating just £50 higher than the 7800X3D although both are selling highish at £499 and £449 repsectively.

I'd probably have OcUK build it as I can't be bothered doing it anymore. 9800X3D with a 7900XT and 64 gb of ram should do for a few years.

January 24

4 minutes ago, Archie said:

I'd probably have OcUK build it as I can't be bothered doing it anymore. 9800X3D with a 7900XT and 64 gb of ram should do for a few years.

By the time youve added the case, psu and all the other bits and pieces, its not a bad idea. And it comes with a warranty and hopefully all the pesky bios flashing etc done. Im sure you could build it cheaper yourself but you could also walk instead of booking a taxi or breed chickens instead of buying a dozen eggs.

Just to point though, Overchargers (and Scam) are selling their 9800X3D for £549, so £100 over the 7800X3D. Might also be worth having a looksee at Scam if you are doing the prebuilt thing just to compare. For an extra £50 you can watch the dude built it (why would you? -hmmmm - I might- just to make sure that bios was flashed) 🙂

January 24

2 hours ago, Aapje said:

@LLv24_SukkaVR

Right now a 7800X3D probably makes more sense, given that the 9800X3D is 11% faster, but the current pricing is higher than than, and availability is poor. But this might resolve itself relatively soon, depending on how long it takes AMD to ramp up production.

Huh... hopefully nobody will have to wait long and/or pay scalper prices. There are tons of them just across the street from me:

January 24

1 hour ago, BOO said:

By the time youve added the case, psu and all the other bits and pieces, its not a bad idea. And it comes with a warranty and hopefully all the pesky bios flashing etc done. Im sure you could build it cheaper yourself but you could also walk instead of booking a taxi or breed chickens instead of buying a dozen eggs.

Just to point though, Overchargers (and Scam) are selling their 9800X3D for £549, so £100 over the 7800X3D. Might also be worth having a looksee at Scam if you are doing the prebuilt thing just to compare. For an extra £50 you can watch the dude built it (why would you? -hmmmm - I might- just to make sure that bios was flashed) 🙂

Yeah OC are never the cheapest, but hopefully the no hassle route, and the three year warranty is decent. My son had one built a few years ago and they did a very neat job.
I used to build mine but meh...

January 25

I would definitely go with the 9800x3d. I have owned the 5600x, 5800x3d, the 7800x3d & now have the 9800x3d. The ladder runs almost 10© cooler with my Noctua air cooling push pull tower. I rarely see anything higher than 70© while running DCS which is the most CPU intensive sim there is to run right now. IL2 GBS runs 50© to 60©. My case fans run at 100% @ 1700rpm and GPU @ 60% fan speed. I don't own MSFS so I don't know how it runs. The 7800x3d is good, the 9800x3d is better and cooler as mention. I am running 64GBs of 6000mhz ram and that is the sweet spot. 3090 or 4070 or higher 40 series would be a nice simming rig. I am running the Asus RTX4090 Tuff and it is a beast.

S!Blade <><

Edited January 25 by BladeMeister

January 25

@unlikely_spider

That is microcenter, though. They are known for their good deals, but they have very few locations and the deals are used to get you in the door, so they don't ship them, like is visible in your picture.

January 31

The Su-25 “Grach”, NATO codenamed “Frogfoot”, has been the backbone of Soviet, and later Russian, close air support aviation for decades. Its mission effectiveness, survivability and ease of operation make it a remarkable aircraft. Armed with laser-guided missiles and rockets, bombs, canister munitions, unguided rockets, and cannons, it packs a powerful punch to this day.

Our completely re-created Su-25 “Frogfoot” will soon be introduced as a new free aircraft to DCS. This Su-25 will feature a highly detailed and accurate external model and a cockpit that embodies the highest graphical standards. Based on the Flaming Cliffs series, aircraft operations will be tailored towards ease-of-use aiming to establish bindings and modes of operation. The new Su-25 will share the same exact flight dynamics as its predecessor, accurate performance, enhanced damage modelling and new liveries.

As is the case for the Su-25T and TF-51D, the Su-25 will be a free offering for players to enjoy DCS, expanding the choices of "Red Air" aircraft alongside the upcoming, full fidelity DCS: MiG-29A Fulcrum that will be on sale soon.

January 31

4 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

expanding the choices of "Red Air" aircraft alongside the upcoming, full fidelity DCS: MiG-29A Fulcrum that will be on sale soon.

Its doesnt really expand anythng - its the same A model avaialbe now with a new frock as far as I can tell. But hey - its better than nowt.

What would expand the choice of red air would be a lovely new cockpit and exterior model for the Hip. That would expand everything to biggly proportions. Known fact.

February 1

9 hours ago, BOO said:

But hey - its better than nowt.

That is my opinion. I don’t mind FC planes so-called simplified pits. But I really wish this was a click pit version, in my head that is easier. And more cool. Keep forgetting button assignments

February 1

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

That is my opinion. I don’t mind FC planes so-called simplified pits. But I really wish this was a click pit version, in my head that is easier. And more cool. Keep forgetting button assignments

Its more outboard junk and some not inconsiderable messing about initially but I've sound the Steamdeck to be a real help is getting away from having to rely on the keyboard.

February 1

I don’t use keyboard I fly with VR

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