DCS

[Lusekofte]

13 hours ago, BOO said:

mossie

I like sitting in the Mossie.  I hate input responses it has. It just feel too responsive in the tail. I thing GB Mossie got a better feel to it. 
P 47 is in my mind together with I 16 best ww2 planes to fly hands down. 
I 16 in fun factor P 47 for its everything. 
I buy the LA 7 too just because of I 16. 
Kiowa would be nice just to fly. When it is complete I guess it will work well with Apache and A 10 and F 18 if organised flying ever happen online. Chopper squads should have very good use for it. I am not much of a squad guy myself. It is too much authority and hierarchy going on for my taste. At least in the big chopper squads. 

[Lusekofte]

On 4/15/2024 at 7:15 PM, BOO said:

never found "old" ffb to be overly realistic feeling but miss the buffer. What I dont miss is bad game implementation and it crapping out. 

VP force is heaven and in my opinion something one should buy for immersion before even considering VR 

if you like to fly it all you have a stick for all things. One click and you have a chopper profile provided by a chopper pilot. Another you have a stick that is loose while no airflow push it. entering itself once you get speed on the runway and get a “hard on” 😬 if you push the speed in a dive.    Buffering can be adjusted to the level you want it. 
It cannot be compared to any other ffb to date. Software are intuitive and can be tweaked in flight. You have a physical knob to turn more force easily accessible. If you only flew jets I think it is not worth while. But it is incredible accurate and smooth. And you can choose whatever grip you’re like for it. 
but need to decide before buying. Or else you need a adapter and possible sim skills on electric things

Edited April 17, 2024 by Lusekofte

[BOO]

@Lusekofte thanks. I wonder if it would fit a monster tech mount? 

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, BOO said:

@Lusekofte thanks. I wonder if it would fit a monster tech mount? 

 

I always set hardware feel highest on priority list. I probably am the king of changing exactly that. 
my spendings on controllers from Hong Kong , Ukraine , Poland,  USA  and EU is astronomical. I have a polish stick that give same authentic feel as my vp force but it is too big in combination with a yoke in a pit. 
just in shipping I spent thousands of dollars. 
Much is stored behind my pit. And will probably be donated. 
I guarantee you that an investment in a vp force and a quest 3 is cheaper and much more desirable and satisfying than a chrystal and a 4090 or 5090. Quest 3 runs just fine on a 3080 card for a long while in both msfs , DCs and Gb 

[Dagwoodyt]

12 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

VP force is heaven and in my opinion something one should buy for immersion before even considering VR 

if you like to fly it all you have a stick for all things....One click and you have a chopper profile provided by a chopper pilot. Another you have a stick that is loose while no
It cannot be compared to any other ffb to date. Software are intuitive and can be tweaked in flight. You have a physical knob to turn more force easily accessible.

How does the Rhino handle mid-air collisions and the like? A concern is that new ffb devices like the Rhino and even more powerful devices like the FFBeast might transmit very substantial blows to hand/wrist in event of crashes or software glitches.

Edited April 17, 2024 by Dagwoodyt

[BOO]

9 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

 

I always set hardware feel highest on priority list. I probably am the king of changing exactly that. 
my spendings on controllers from Hong Kong , Ukraine , Poland,  USA  and EU is astronomical. I have a polish stick that give same authentic feel as my vp force but it is too big in combination with a yoke in a pit. 
just in shipping I spent thousands of dollars. 
Much is stored behind my pit. And will probably be donated. 
I guarantee you that an investment in a vp force and a quest 3 is cheaper and much more desirable and satisfying than a chrystal and a 4090 or 5090. Quest 3 runs just fine on a 3080 card for a long while in both msfs , DCs and Gb 

Cheers Luse. Its a beast of a box but I found some you tubes of it fitted to a monstertech chair and it seems with a range restrictor and a small 75-90mm goosenick it would meet my requirments nicely. Whilst still a much pricier option than the CM3 base Id intended I agree with all you have said and, of course, a trusted opinion is worth a 1000 videos so thanks. 

[nirvi]

Coordinated 15 player Mossie strike on two airfields on Project Overlord:

 

 

[Chopin]

I'm curious how people's experiences are between flying WW2 on IL-2 and DCS or preferring one over the other?

 

On the one hand, I much prefer the variety of aircrafts available in IL-2 and this variety makes PvP campaigns and the WW2 atmosphere a lot more interesting and entertaining. I'm currently just doing IL-2 mostly because it offers better platforms for me to learn the fundamentals (e.g. fast practice iterations on CB Training or Berloga dogfights) and it's more fun right now.

 

On the other hand, I don't feel like I'm fully understanding some favorite aircrafts of mine (e.g. Spitfire IX) in IL-2 because they feel a lot harder to fly and to manage in DCS. And while IL-2 has many aircraft varieties, we usually encounter only a handful of airframes during a sortie (e.g. bouncing or getting bounced by Bf 109), so maybe the lack of variety in DCS doesn't diminish the fun at all?

[SCG_motoadve]

Moved form IL2 to DCSWWII when IMHO the newer DM made planes too fragile in IL2, DCS warbirds are very detailed, and fly realistically, very fun to land , take off, and manage in flight, you feel you are flying a warbird,  DM very detailed too, wake turbulence, torque and new landing gear physics are really well made, there is not a lot of variety in planes and not a proper historical match, which business wise is hard to understand,  IL2 gives you historical matches, plus better pilot physiology and better turbulence in flight, DCS maps are a lot more detailed, and prettier, performance in VR is much better in DCS via DFR.

[CUJO_1970]

Been fighting off the DCS WW2 bug for some time now, mainly because all the Luftwaffe stuff is a century old.

[AndyJWest]

My biggest gripe with DCS WW2 is with the AI aircraft. Trying to dogfight them is a joke, given that they seem not to obey the laws of physics.

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

My biggest gripe with DCS WW2 is with the AI aircraft. Trying to dogfight them is a joke, given that they seem not to obey the laws of physics.

My impression too

I find ww2 DCS to be more a module fetish. Accomplishment. Problem I face right now is we are a group of mates split in half about GB and DCS with me in the middle. Sometimes I just want to fly and not think too much. Other times I want more. We are now in the 70 flying choppers and A4 

and half flying campaign in GB. We are two flying both and it is really hard to put a finger of any advantage any of these have. 
I honestly prefer clod

2 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said:

Been fighting off the DCS WW2 bug for some time now, mainly because all the Luftwaffe stuff is a century old.

Yeah same thing with my choice of choppers. They getting old. 

21 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

How does the Rhino handle mid-air collisions and the like? A concern is that new ffb devices like the Rhino and even more powerful devices like the FFBeast might transmit very substantial blows to hand/wrist in event of crashes or software glitches.

I have no reaction in the stick if that happen. 
VP force software do warn to be careful with high settings. But I use strong force out of preference. When crash the stick will not move. In my case it will stay centered

[Lusekofte]

20 hours ago, BOO said:

Cheers Luse. It’s a beast of a box but I found some you tubes of it fitted to a monstertech chair and it seems with a range restrictor and a small 75-90mm goosenick it would meet my requirments nicely. Whilst still a much pricier option than the CM3 base Id intended I agree with all you have said and, of course, a trusted opinion is worth a 1000 videos so thanks. 

I promise you will not be disappointed.  But it is a long wait. And you need to decide for a grip. If you have vkb, warthog or Virpil grip you just use that.  I use 10 cm extension because that is what I had. It work fine with any extension of choice. 

[Blooddawn1942]

Just bought myself a Chinook... 😎

 

 

[Lusekofte]

This is a no brainer for me. I just hope I will like it as much as I think

[Blooddawn1942]

Good times for Rotorheads. The Kiowa should also be right around the corner. 

[Blooddawn1942]

I noticed sunreflections at 0:19 on the cockpitglas. Maybe a new feature coming to DCS?

[Dagwoodyt]

On 4/18/2024 at 10:18 AM, AndyJWest said:

My biggest gripe with DCS WW2 is with the AI aircraft. Trying to dogfight them is a joke, given that they seem not to obey the laws of physics.

I've been experimenting for several weeks now trying to determine if AI has superhuman capabilities flying 1v1 quick missions in the I-16 against Ace AI in I-16. I cannot answer the question but, in that matchup, it doesn't matter because I now am able to beat the AI quite frequently. It's fun to now be able to hold the aircraft in right turns using the rudder when it is desperately fighting to snap roll left and gradually reel the AI in as it runs low on E. Of course learning to use the gunsight helps to end fights early. The only immersion check is the realization that in reality most fights would end very early as the pilot has negligible protection and cockpits would routinely end up a gory mess.

[Gambit21]

8 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

This is a no brainer for me. I just hope I will like it as much as I think

 

I'm seriously stoked about the CH-47, even more so that some things I get to fly right now that I thought were going to be "IT" for me.

Turning rotor-head I think. 

[BOO]

On 4/18/2024 at 8:57 PM, Lusekofte said:

I promise you will not be disappointed.  But it is a long wait. And you need to decide for a grip. If you have vkb, warthog or Virpil grip you just use that.  I use 10 cm extension because that is what I had. It work fine with any extension of choice. 

On the wait list 🙂

 

Only 901 units before me 😞

Edited April 21, 2024 by BOO

[Lusekofte]

11 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

I'm seriously stoked about the CH-47, even more so that some things I get to fly right now that I thought were going to be "IT" for me.

Turning rotor-head I think. 

It start that way and soon you will be like me. Does this fit in that alley? Is that hangar big enough for me turning ? 
You really need nothing to enjoy a chopper. 
sadly I can’t bring myself to totally like all in the Huey. Something happened to it. I do fly it but well I don’t know. It is something. And Gazelle is neat but kind of easy. 
I am now at mi8 as a transport and favorite civil chopper. I hope this chinook going to replace it. But who knows. I never flown such a craft. I hope it will be multi crewed at some point. It would be fun being crew chief positioning the helicopter for the pilot. 

[BOO]

It'll be some time after its out before i can fly the Chinook but with that and the Hercules, Im  really pleased semi pacifists have a place in the DCS world. I think it'll please many, even if its not my bag (glass belongs in greenhouses - guages and clunking switches for the win etc etc).

 

Perhaps when enough are convinced that big load luggers are fun, the Hip will get some of the redux love that the Ka-50, A10 and P51 got.

 

 

 

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[DBFlyguy]

Until these guys get the RAZBAM issue sorted out, I can't see myself giving them anymore cash for another "Early Access" product...

 

The Kiowa is supposedly releasing as a complete module, I'll still pick up that one but gonna have to miss out on the Phantom, Chinook and whatever other "Early Access" modules I was looking forward to that are in the pipeline moving forward.

Edited April 20, 2024 by DBFlyguy

[Lusekofte]

Well I can't see any other solution than a solution on this issue. I do not bother taking sides either. When a CEO goes out public the way he did and a week later telling everyone not to do what he did. I tend to believe this is not only ED. 
And I care less. There are real war in this world. Enough for a century. I buy whatever I like and think nothing of it. We pay for access. It can be lost at any time. I will enjoy what I can while they still accessable

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, DBFlyguy said:

Until these guys get the RAZBAM issue sorted out, I can't see myself giving them anymore cash for another "Early Access" product...

 

The Kiowa is supposedly releasing as a complete module, I'll still pick up that one but gonna have to miss out on the Phantom, Chinook and whatever other "Early Access" modules I was looking forward to that are in the pipeline moving forward.

Meh

Without speaking out of turn I can tell you WRT the F-4 that you’ll be missing out.  

 

Further the Razbam crap means diddly squat with regard to any  ED module as well. 

 

 

[MiGCap]

The only two helos I want I already have: the HIND and the Huey (and I haven't learned the Huey yet).

So no pre-order from me for this (very impressive, I must admit) module. Perhaps without glass cockpit I would have decided the other way ...

[BOO]

I think like @Lusekofte I wouldnt refuse to buy early access for a module that interests me in spite of the recent nursery tantrums of both ED and Razbam (though I may hold off on the latter till the all clear is sounded). Ultimately a module is the cost of a family take out meal for me (something I usually have buyeres remorse for as soon as I finish it) so perhaps not something I can get my knickers too much in a twist for. I accept that It may be different for others. 

 

Given the length of EA, the number of modules still in EA that a quite useable and the number of modules with issies that are out of EA, the whole EA thing is meaningless to me anyway. 

[Lusekofte]

7 hours ago, MiGCap said:

The only two helos I want I already have: the HIND and the Huey (and I haven't learned the Huey yet).

So no pre-order from me for this (very impressive, I must admit) module. Perhaps without glass cockpit I would have decided the other way ...

Huey is easy. It is just a priority case to learn it. In special if you learned the hind. MI 8 is a better module than Huey in my opinion. It fly pretty much the same as the hind. And got almost the same startup procedure as the Hind. Just like flying a bus from the 1960’s

After learning pretty much everything in the Apache backseat. I would say that the glass pit might save you some time using [F10] map. Modern navigation and system will make you capable to some serious night flying 

I did wish for a Vietnam era chinook. F4 Huey and all that. But I will find good use of this

[Blooddawn1942]

8 hours ago, MiGCap said:

The only two helos I want I already have: the HIND and the Huey (and I haven't learned the Huey yet).

So no pre-order from me for this (very impressive, I must admit) module. Perhaps without glass cockpit I would have decided the other way ...

I could lend you a helping hand to get you on speed in the Huey next Friday. 💪

[DD_fruitbat]

I'm getting more intrigued by the Chinook and how it will be to fly. I see them pretty often, as they do low level training around where I am. I'm curious to how different its going to be to other helicopters in the way controls work, how the collective and cyclic interact with the 2 rotors. I'm not remotely bothered by the glass cockpit, its just a different way of displaying information. Steam gauges or glass makes no difference to me personally. 

 

In other news....

 

[DD_Arthur]

I hate choppers. I want to hear more about Boo’s takeaway….

[BOO]

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

I hate choppers. I want to hear more about Boo’s takeaway….

I can tell you that the pre order time on just eat is considerably shorter than DCS and it usually comes with all the goodies straight away. 

[DD_Arthur]

Just Eat? We don’t have any of that new-fangled stuff like Uber-Eat or fibre broadband down here.

However, I’m predicting a sudden surge in unemployment figures this autumn so I’m looking forward to my Biryani being delivered by Liz Truss in a helicopter flown by Jacob Rees-Mogg.

I used to be a dab hand with a Blowpipe missile back in the day…..

[MiGCap]

9 hours ago, Blooddawn1942 said:

I could lend you a helping hand to get you on speed in the Huey next Friday. 💪

 

Thank You, Sebastian.

But the Friday is just for playing, not for learning. I usually start learning on my own after I read the manual and initially train alone. But I haven‘t time for that until August, too much flying related work in RL now. 😊

[Gambit21]

15 hours ago, Blooddawn1942 said:

I could lend you a helping hand to get you on speed in the Huey next Friday. 💪

 

It's such a good module. Looking for a plausible story to get it on the Afghanistan map in the late 80's, or very early 90's.

 

 

Reading "Ghost Wars" and "First In" now.

Good books. 

[DD_fruitbat]

[Gambit21]

I can’t wait….BRRRRRRRRRRT!!!!

 

[AndyJWest]

10 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

I can’t wait….BRRRRRRRRRRT!!!!

 

 

Given ED's reluctance to actually say what features the CH-47 will have in early access, it might be advisable to wait. Or at least to not get your hopes up too much.

 

Personally, I'm still very much in the 'waiting' stage for new DCS content in general, until I see some clarification regarding the F-15E mess. 

[Gambit21]

34 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

 

Given ED's reluctance to actually say what features the CH-47 will have in early access, it might be advisable to wait. Or at least to not get your hopes up too much.

 

Personally, I'm still very much in the 'waiting' stage for new DCS content in general, until I see some clarification regarding the F-15E mess. 

I’ll be able to test beforehand  - that said I’m going to go ahead and pre-order soon. I want to support this module. I can’t blame you though - many feel the same way. I have to forge ahead.
 

I’m building some randomized airfield logic for a brick and mortar flight sim/training company in the U.K. that utilizes DCS. That’s going well, and when that’s done I’m on to the Chinook and Afghanistan. (maybe Kola too if it’s up to snuff)

so deep in the research phase on that.

Looking at the Mi-8 too, but it will need gameplay enhancements first.

 

 

 

 

 

[Lusekofte]

Yeah. I have no hesitation for buying it. 
Already done so. But my expectations for it is not that high in the beginning. 
much of this chopper depend on a good ai crew. And eventually multi crew.  
But that is for later. My problem is I have no idea what to expect. Will it be so stable that it become boring. Will there be adequate logistical task for it?  
I can see that people will wait it out.