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4 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

back to DCS

Until clod come with VR that is what I do. 
This Korea fixation just make my hibernation from other games than DCS longer 

Posted
25 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

Until clod come with VR that is what I do. 
This Korea fixation just make my hibernation from other games than DCS longer 

 

Dont worry. I don't think 1C-Korea or Combat Pilot will be released before 2027 anyways. So there is plenty of time to enjoy Il2-GB, CloD 6.0 or DCS for the next three years.

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I pushed CloD from my PC.

 

VR try a mess (and obviously the developers are on a wrong way as for years now it does not work properly), graphics nowhere near to IL-2GB, for me (others may have different opinions, of course) a helpless beating of an almost dead horse (i. e. much too old game).

 

Back then, I bought the CloD desert war extension to help finance the developers to move forward (especially in VR), but I never will buy anything for this antique game again.  

 

And I can spend my time only once. That is DCS and IL-2 GB and hopefully soon Korea and sometimes later Pacific. The last two modern games with modern engines and modern graphics (at least I suppose so).

 

But as I said: Only my opinion.

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I fly clod exclusive in my other house with a curved 49” screen. It is beautiful. I guessed there where problems with vr. 
Its game engine is not older than GB and got a lot more to offer. I have only one thing more to do with GB and that is finishing Tips new campaign. After that I probably uninstall it and give the account to a mates son. It bore me to death. DCS is kind of my main sim atm. 

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I don't know that game engine "age" has anything to do with "delay" in getting VR to work reliably in CloD. I doubt there will ever be an explicit admission that CloD is a VR failure. Any future iterations that might surface will likely remain 2D. That will probably be ? ? for its' most devoted followers.

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Posted
17 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

I fly clod exclusive in my other house with a curved 49” screen. It is beautiful. I guessed there where problems with vr. 
Its game engine is not older than GB and got a lot more to offer. I have only one thing more to do with GB and that is finishing Tips new campaign. After that I probably uninstall it and give the account to a mates son. It bore me to death. DCS is kind of my main sim atm. 

 

The game engine used by GB is far newer and more refined than what CloD uses.

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On 1/17/2024 at 1:42 PM, sevenless said:

Dont worry. I don't think 1C-Korea or Combat Pilot will be released before 2027 anyways. So there is plenty of time to enjoy Il2-GB, CloD 6.0 or DCS for the next three years.


2027? For CLoD yes but since native anti-aliasing and weather has been absent from that game for thirteen years even that date is optimistic.

 

However, 1C Korea and Combat Pilot are commercial entities with budgets and a business plan.
They have to produce something on a realistic timescale or they go bust.

 

I think we’re going to see something tangible released by both of them before the end of this year.

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1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

I think we’re going to see something tangible released by both of them before the end of this year.

 

Nope. Dont get me wrong, I would not mind if they publish earlier, but development of BoN took them 3 years (announced in November 2019 and released on September 7, 2022) and for that new yet officially unannounced project (Korea) they have a lot more to do than just adapting the BoBP base game. Same with combat pilot. Opening early access to the public might happen earlier, but finishing the projects is still far in the future.

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4 hours ago, sevenless said:

but finishing the projects is still far in the future.


I agree. However, a finished product (if there ever is in flightsim development) is something different from a tangible release.

I have no doubt both projects will release something in some form of early access.

 

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Well I do not think I look at things same as you guys do. I find a use of the sim , what I like to do. And do it. I do not dwell on bad stuff so much until I find the sim unusable. 
Sitting here defending every aspect of GB and talk ? about clod will not change that. 
I just do not understand it. 
Totally useless ai gunners, very bad ground textures and simplified DM and ai that is not worth a damn as buddies nor ww1 pilots opponents. With no comms at all. What is that ? I like clod for its playability on servers and yes there is sufficient people in when I fly. DCS provide a very lifelike environment and very complex systems. I wish for it to have equal complex dm. 
All in all clod give me a sense of flying in ww2 both DCs and Gb do not. For me. 
for the release dates I do not know. GB I bet be the first to give something. Like a map and a couple of flyable and some ai. 
CP might be able to give us the zero and wildcat and a sparse map for testing after that. I have no idea how anyone can afford making a new cfs from scratch. 

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I actually see less and less people that defend every aspect of GB. Even many long term GB fans show their frustration about the way this game or development this game is handled lately. On the other hand, there are still some die-hard CloD fans that seem to love every aspect of it, which is quite weird in that sense that for most simmers it has been a dead game for quite some time already.

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The brilliance of CloD development planning is that you can EVENTUALLY have all the bells and whistles you care to imagine IF you provide the coders and artists who will work to the Team's standards for FREE.  ?

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3 hours ago, Robli said:

I actually see less and less people that defend every aspect of GB. Even many long term GB fans show their frustration about the way this game or development this game is handled lately. On the other hand, there are still some die-hard CloD fans that seem to love every aspect of it, which is quite weird in that sense that for most simmers it has been a dead game for quite some time already.

I defend the playable part of clod and acknowledge its imperfections 

It is simply unbeatable dm wise got playability for bombers due to map size. Best all round ww2 is sadly old IL 2 in usage

But GB and clod is mostly a source of frustration. Funny enough those are dependant of a complete scenario. DCS do not get me that frustration. And god knows it is the less complete sim. It is just like it is easier to forgive. One cannot say it got good ai , acknowledge by all with a smile. DM is like  throwing a dime , heads you explode tail you get a vibration. It is just as much things that should make you frustrated. But they get of the hook. Every time 

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3 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

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B.17?

 

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Yes Saab. But in wrong department 

Posted
7 hours ago, Veteran66 said:

 

Now THAT is how you promo stuff!

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If only dcs had proper SAM ai.. firing at max range every time and broadcasting radar 24/7 doesn't exactly make for very interesting "weaseling." Trailer is honestly pretty misleading if people think DCS missions will play out like that. Don't think I could ever go back after trying SEAD in BMS. AI that actually uses tactics! What a concept. 

 

F-4 looks cool sure, but not $80 cool. Honestly can't believe ED has gotten away with prices like that for as long as they have. I bought the A-10C for $14 back when Steam Summer Sale meant something! used to be you could regularly pick up modules for 20 bucks after they'd been out for a little while, nowadays you're lucky if you can grab them for $40. What do you get for that added cost? some pretty new graphics? Wow the cockpit placards VIBRATE! So next gen!! still the same old broken game underneath that it was in 2014. 

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2 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

4 looks cool sure, but not $80 cool

And there our pow differed , this is the one module worth

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The F-4 Phantom II is an American two-seat, twin-engine, all-weather, long- range supersonic jet interceptor and fighter-bomber originally developed by McDonnell Aircraft for the United States Navy. After entering service with the Navy in 1961, it became adopted by the United States Marine Corps and United States Air Force. Due to its high adaptability, versatility and for its time, unparalleled capabilities, it quickly turned into the main workhorse for all 3 branches and spread beyond the borders of the United States, going on to serve and protect 12 nations across the world, with Phantoms still in operation today. Its production ran from 1958 to 1981, and with nigh 5200 Phantoms built, it became the most produced supersonic US military aircraft in the history, solidifying its place as one of the most recognizable and well known aircraft of the cold war era. 

Localization: English

Free disk space is required: 8 Gb

 
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You do know that no one will oppose BMS dynamic campaign and ai. 

Posted
12 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

If only dcs had proper SAM ai.. firing at max range every time and broadcasting radar 24/7 doesn't exactly make for very interesting "weaseling." Trailer is honestly pretty misleading if people think DCS missions will play out like that. Don't think I could ever go back after trying SEAD in BMS. AI that actually uses tactics! What a concept. 

 

F-4 looks cool sure, but not $80 cool. Honestly can't believe ED has gotten away with prices like that for as long as they have. I bought the A-10C for $14 back when Steam Summer Sale meant something! used to be you could regularly pick up modules for 20 bucks after they'd been out for a little while, nowadays you're lucky if you can grab them for $40. What do you get for that added cost? some pretty new graphics? Wow the cockpit placards VIBRATE! So next gen!! still the same old broken game underneath that it was in 2014. 

I would say, with some conviction, that Im probably one of the DCS whiners. Even so I have to disagree somewhat. You can pick up the F4 for not much more than the MSFS comanche at present (pre release admittedly) so for a full fidelity module with arguably a lor more systems Im not sure even $80 is unreasonable especailly if one intends to study it. Thats hundreds of hours of involvement. 

 

The shaking placards may seem gimmicky but it builds on the work HB did with the F14 which, for me, gives an nice feeling of an airframe under stress. Each to their own. The F4 isnt that much of leap in price from the F14 which seemed to be good value to me even then. 

 

Theres also quite a bit that can be done in the ME to improve the IADS aspect too, especially if you are picking up a well made user mission or campaign when you dont have the advantage of being the designer. Not perfect but not 24/7 max range either. If mission designers pay attention to the lanscape and/or create something akin to a multi faceted IADS, the game is capable of producing some nasty surprises albeit not yet to the level of whay Ive heard BMS could do. 

 

As for prices in general....stuff has gone up. Way of the world. My last car cost me more than my first house and last night's family pizza takeaway almost as much as my first car (though I do agree that the pricing of some older, WW2 modules is too high). I earn about £10K more than I did in 2016 yet, despite changing little in my lifstyle, my abililty to save has diminished.

 

Finally the the trailer. Cutting from internal to external shots will always make things more movie like but with 4 breathers occupying those seats and playing their roles on a mission or server thats well set up I can see how some of the intensity could be recreated though I concede SP will be a lot more stilted. 

 

DCS can still be buggy but there there is much that used to annoy me in 2016 when i started that has been resolved. In comparison with other sims, its also the only one Ive seen move forward in a meaningful way. Far from perfect but equally far from being a dud. 

 

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, BOO said:

I would say, with some conviction, that Im probably one of the DCS whiners

No you’re not in that League, not even close. Man biker is a BMS pilot.  In there eyes they are in a hierarchy above DCs players. And that might be true. It take a lot more devotion getting into BMS than DCS. What he fail to see is casual simmers do not have time for that , and maybe can’t muster enough interest. DCS is the best platform for people like me, that can pretend to have enough interest but in reality doesn’t. It let you have fun for five minutes and then you can log off. 

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This is absolutely ??? @Enigma89 Thanks for the much needed laugh on Monday morning!

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Posted
On 1/27/2024 at 8:40 PM, Mtnbiker1998 said:

 

F-4 looks cool sure, but not $80 cool. 

Right now I think it is about $60 cool. Still a lot for some of us but I understand how much work went into it. I will have to decide if it's cool enough for me now or I have to wait 2 years when it's a bit cooler ?

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On 1/29/2024 at 10:08 AM, DBFlyguy said:

 

 

 

 

This is absolutely ??? @Enigma89 Thanks for the much needed laugh on Monday morning!

thx

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On 1/27/2024 at 11:40 AM, Mtnbiker1998 said:

If only dcs had proper SAM ai.. firing at max range every time and broadcasting radar 24/7 doesn't exactly make for very interesting "weaseling." Trailer is honestly pretty misleading if people think DCS missions will play out like that. Don't think I could ever go back after trying SEAD in BMS. AI that actually uses tactics! What a concept. 

 

F-4 looks cool sure, but not $80 cool. Honestly can't believe ED has gotten away with prices like that for as long as they have. I bought the A-10C for $14 back when Steam Summer Sale meant something! used to be you could regularly pick up modules for 20 bucks after they'd been out for a little while, nowadays you're lucky if you can grab them for $40. What do you get for that added cost? some pretty new graphics? Wow the cockpit placards VIBRATE! So next gen!! still the same old broken game underneath that it was in 2014. 

 

Guffaw!!

If you just had a clue what goes into these things. Completely new level of simulation...and not about the vibrating.

F-4 should be $150.

 

 

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Ok, this is awesome

 

 

 

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Posted
22 hours ago, DBFlyguy said:

Ok, this is awesome

 

 

 

 

He get's pretty steady frame rates in that thing. :o:

 

 

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The flight model looks pretty good too....

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Well I am not upgrading to that performance. My wife would kill me ?

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Well, I have met the real world problem with cockpits. Tight and cramped and impossible to access for old people. image.thumb.jpg.14151b8b85f399c4bc5fd11b682ab0c5.jpg

I have no idea about half the assigned buttons on that Apache collective. 
I really liked my KA 50 collective but needed more buttons and as usual I overdone it. 
 

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You should be able to fly at least three different aircraft at the same time with that setup. ?

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Posted
5 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

You should be able to fly at least three different aircraft at the same time with that setup. ?


Plus 3 times the household marital tension. 

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Much of this is ordered a year or two before I got it. Some kickstarter some long delivery. 
you should see my used sim hardware behind that chair. Enough to make you weep

and the stash on my other house. I do not use that.  So I will stream line this project. 

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Posted
14 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

Well, I have met the real world problem with cockpits. Tight and cramped and impossible to access for old people. image.thumb.jpg.14151b8b85f399c4bc5fd11b682ab0c5.jpg

I have no idea about half the assigned buttons on that Apache collective. 
I really liked my KA 50 collective but needed more buttons and as usual I overdone it. 
 

It's ok Lusekofte, you have Crosswinds down on the floor. All is forgiven Sir!:joy:

 

S!Blade<><

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I find it very very very very hard to like the Apache A H 64

you have to enter digits here and there and if you fu** up u have to do it all again. 
I figured I continue my learning now by start uding the flight control radar. 
I still think it is a load of shit but somehow I get obsessed by not completing the training. And why is the training missions so inadequate 

Posted
1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

I find it very very very very hard to like the Apache A H 64

you have to enter digits here and there and if you fu** up u have to do it all again. 
I figured I continue my learning now by start uding the flight control radar. 
I still think it is a load of shit but somehow I get obsessed by not completing the training. And why is the training missions so inadequate 


Pass.

I’m waiting for the AH-1W.

 

 

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I think I will marry that module

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