DCS

[DBFlyguy]

45 minutes ago, SCG_motoadve said:

its always the same 8 or 10 people who in reality are a vast minority, but very loud and rude, unfortunately developers seem to be listening to them, and IL2 is in the worst state it has ever been.

Baffling how the same crowd gets away with basically trolling folks on the regular and never get a timeout or ban. 

 

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

What I struggle with in DCS is their reluctance of making general purpose aircraft for ww2. Until then I stay away from it. 
It will never be a full blown ww2 sim without them. Only fastest and best

I've always wondered why ED didn't just hire a third party(ies) to make AI models for them.  If they fleshed out their AI model catalogue to cover WWII more thoroughly discussions about what the "best WWII sim" is would be very much in their favor.  Currently it takes them years to update/add AI units which is just insane IMHO

[Varibraun]

3 hours ago, SCG_motoadve said:

I am planning to start flying DCS WWII, a bit tired of how easy IL2 has become, how is your VR performance on the campaign?

 

 

Just did the same myself a couple of weeks ago.  I have a 4090/13900 and am getting pretty consistent 90fps with the stock DCS VR settings with OpenXR.  I have seen it occasionally dip into the low 80s in the Blue Nosed Bastards Campaign (a LOT of aircraft), but I have not seen any transition stutters in my limited experience so far.  I have not tried to adjust the resolution higher than the stock VR settings since I am still in my Reverb G2.  I am guessing it looks absolutely awesome in the Aero.

 

1 hour ago, SCG_motoadve said:

I am going to give it a try at WWII DCS single player, IL2 is becoming boring and leaning towards arcade more and more.

 

I am enjoying the voice acted DCS scripted campaigns more than the ones in IL2 (excluding Hell Hawks - which was awesome), but I can already tell that for my playstyle, @PatrickAWlson and PWCG will continue to bring me back to IL2.  I am happy to have DCS WWII as an option, especially with at least a little taste of the Pacific on their agenda, but I guess I need that dynamic pilot career to really keep me engaged.  Even in the scripted campaigns, it doesn't really matter to the squadron or pilot what happens in the mission - just a "do over" when flak puts you in the Channel.  We will see what their long awaited Dynamic Campaign brings to SP in the future, but I don't know how squadron focused it will be based on some of the snippets I have read.

 

Finally, I will say that I have enjoyed clicking switches more than I thought I would and I do feel more connected to the aircraft with that option.  Knowing you are a RL pilot with your own warbird, I think you will find a lot appealing about the DCS WWII aircraft.  I am interested to hear your thoughts...

[dburne]

Woohoo Mission 2 of The Big Show is now in the books as a success. 40 plus plane furball was quite exhilerating, just glad I survived  that one and able to get back across the channel safely to my airbase. Incredible, feels like I am a part of something much , much bigger.

[Lusekofte]

Reflected got so good Voice actors. It feel very real

[Picchio]

2 hours ago, Varibraun said:

stock DCS VR settings

 

You're not actually forcing yourself to endure that level of image quality with your hardware... are you? ?

Edited January 19, 2023 by Picchio

[Varibraun]

8 minutes ago, Picchio said:

You're not actually forcing yourself to endure that level of image quality with your hardware... are you? ?

 

LOL...well I planned to experiment with graphics once I become better acquainted with DCS overall, but I haven't looked at anything else yet (other than a small tweak to gamma).  But I find your post to be encouraging for my future visual pleasure - especially when I upgrade headsets. 

[Picchio]

Even with the G2, you owe it to your hardware to at least try just for once to lock your maximum framerate (OXR allows that) to whatever lower level you find acceptable (you know it can't be 90, come on!) and use as high graphics options as you can (MSAA at 2x, leave SSAA, SSLR and SSAO off).

[Lusekofte]

1 minute ago, Picchio said:

Even with the G2, you owe it to your hardware to at least try just for once to lock your maximum framerate (OXR allows that) to whatever lower level you find acceptable (you know it can't be 90, come on!) and use as high graphics options as you can (MSAA at 2x, leave SSAA, SSLR and SSAO off).

He can make several of them and save it. I recommend doing that for easily change settings. Some missions and maps can’t handle optimal settings you usually can have. 
just finished a campaign in Marianas map, and tuned down the settings a little bit for that map. But saved my previous setting in order to easily go back

[Picchio]

Yeah, presets are surely handy! But one of them is just too ugly! ?

[AndyJWest]

Back on the Hornet, groping around in the dark...

 

 

I don't think you're supposed to use NVG for night AAR, but without it, I can't see a damn thing unless I turn gamma up unrealistically.

 

[Trooper117]

That looks really difficult!

[dburne]

Yeah those tankers do not do a very good job of lighting themselves up good at night. 

[Picchio]

Do it with the Tomcat... ?

 

Edited January 19, 2023 by Picchio

[Gambit21]

45 minutes ago, Picchio said:

Do it with the Tomcat... ?

 

 

☝️

 

Tomcat!!

 

 

 

 

[DBFlyguy]

1 hour ago, Picchio said:

Do it with the Tomcat... ?

 

 

37 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

☝️

 

Tomcat!!

 

 

 

 

All this Tomcat fanboying.... I'm gonna need a detailed review of the "Speed and Angels" campaign when it drops ?

 

 

 

 

[SidtheGit]

Slowing it down a bit...this is a great community addition. Easy to fly and great to look at...I think anyway  More my brain speed...

Edited January 20, 2023 by SidtheGit

[Gambit21]

40 minutes ago, DBFlyguy said:

 

All this Tomcat fanboying.... I'm gonna need a detailed review of the "Speed and Angels" campaign when it drops ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I caught a show with these two very intelligent guys discussing people who fly the Hornet at the exclusion of the much better plane...the Tomcat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lusekofte]

4 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

Back on the Hornet, groping around in the dark...

 

 

I don't think you're supposed to use NVG for night AAR, but without it, I can't see a damn thing unless I turn gamma up unrealistically.

 

So that is what I am doing wrong. It must be the sun in my face making me fail. I should try it in pitch dark. You really really ….

[Varibraun]

13 hours ago, SidtheGit said:

Slowing it down a bit...this is a great community addition. Easy to fly and great to look at...I think anyway  More my brain speed...

 

Wow...that's my old ride! (USMC version, backseat AO)  I had no idea the Bronco was coming to DCS, 35 years later and I can finally sit up front...

[DD_Crash]

It is a mod. Look to the DCS forum.

[DBFlyguy]

New sale (Lunar New Year) running including a bunch of new bundle deals:

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/newsletters/b6add23313282894dfbdce3915653ec7/

[dburne]

i think I am going to have to find a little easier campaign than The Big Show. Mission 3 is absolutely hammering me, there are just too many enemy ai to handle ( over 20). Granted there are as many of us but I just can't get through it. Spend a half hour getting there only to die in 5 minutes gets a little frustrating.

[Gambit21]

Really.

You can’t hang back, climb, change tactics/do something different? 

What happens when you get killed in mission 3 of the next campaign?

 

Change it up - climb above the fray or stay out of the way.

 

 

 

 

 

I can build you a similar dogfight, quick practice mission…but you’d need to change the player aircraft to a player controlled Spit on your end. 

[DD_fruitbat]

Or once you've done it, send it to me, and i'll do the last part, and send it on lol!

[dburne]

Well reckon all I had to do was complain, just finished another go at it and was successful this time. Just got to pick my fights and know when it is time to get out of there.

 

 

52 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Really.

You can’t hang back, climb, change tactics/do something different? 

What happens when you get killed in mission 3 of the next campaign?

 

Change it up - climb above the fray or stay out of the way.

 

 

 

 

 

I can build you a similar dogfight, quick practice mission…but you’d need to change the player aircraft to a player controlled Spit on your end. 

 

 

No I am coming from using IL-2 for WWII stuff and used to much smaller action, rather than 20 plus enemy aircraft at one time LOL.

I must admit I am liking this, seems a much more alive world from getting into the cockpit with soldiers walking around and jeeps driving around and planes taxiing for take offs. 

Edited January 20, 2023 by dburne

[sevenless]

I wish it would be available yet...

 

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

Got the AH-64 less than two weeks ago.  Now, with another sale, what should I buy next?? (not a serious question)

[Trooper117]

Just got Black Shark 3, plus another campaign... I like these sales!

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, dburne said:

Well reckon all I had to do was complain, just finished another go at it and was successful this time. Just got to pick my fights and know when it is time to get out of there.

 

 

 

 

No I am coming from using IL-2 for WWII stuff and used to much smaller action, rather than 20 plus enemy aircraft at one time LOL.

I must admit I am liking this, seems a much more alive world from getting into the cockpit with soldiers walking around and jeeps driving around and planes taxiing for take offs. 

That’s just it  Fly like your actual life is on the line (sort of). When I started doing that online, my kill/death ratio went way up. That was years ago mind you. Haven’t flown DCS online PvP.

 

Point being - even against humans it really pays off, never mind AI. 

 

 

Edited January 20, 2023 by Gambit21

[dburne]

Man I must not know how to manage my fuel tanks properly or something. Was on my way home after having success in Mission 4 of the Big Show campaign, all I needed to do was make it back to base. Fuel ran out engine stopped, I switched to the other tank and nothing. I know at least one time previously when I did that it started running again. Is there maybe a procedure I am missing here? Had to bail out and mission ended up in a draw rather than success. I will have to try it again but would love to know what I missed first.

 

Edit: Ok watched a youtube vid, apparently when switching to drop tank I also need to turn off the main fuel selector as well, that must be it.

Will give it another try in the morning. Sounds like maybe I should go ahead and switch to drop tank early on and consume that fuel first.

Edited January 20, 2023 by dburne

[DD_fruitbat]

The procedure irl I believe was to take off on internal tank and then when up and clear, switch to the drop tank straight after. I believe it was a safety measure in case the drop tank wasn't attached properly, and fuel starvation at wheels up not a good thing.

 

Definitely map the fuel tank switches, as you need to be fairly quick when the drop tank runs out, and obviously when switching tanks after take off, turn drop tank on before turning internal off!

Edited January 20, 2023 by DD_fruitbat

[Trooper117]

1 hour ago, dburne said:

Sounds like maybe I should go ahead and switch to drop tank early on and consume that fuel first

 

I've copied extracts from the Mk IX manual concerning the use of drop tanks... I'm not sure if DCS has all these functions however, hope it helps.

 

From the Spit Mk IX manual.

 

Handling

When fitted with a drop tank

Start the engine, warm up, taxy and take-off on the main tanks;

then, at 2,000ft, turn ON the drop tank and turn OFF the main tanks cock.

When the fuel pressure warning light comes on, or the engine cuts, turn OFF

the drop tank cock and reselect the main tanks.

 

NOTE. When it is essential to use all the fuel from the drop tank its cock

must be turned OFF and the throttle closed immediately the engine cuts;

a fresh tank should then be selected without delay. The booster pump in the

newly selected tank should be switched ON, or the hand wobble pump operated,

to assist the engine to pick up but in addition to this it may be necessary to 

windmill the engine at high r.p.m, to ensure an adequate fuel supply.

 

Drop tanks should only be jettisoned if this is necessary operationally. if a

drop tank is jettisoned  before it is empty a fresh tank should be turned ON

before the drop tank cock is turned OFF.

 

The drop tank cock must always be off when the tank has been jettisoned

or is empty, otherwise air may be drawn into the main fuel system thus

causing engine cutting.

[dburne]

Much thanks very helpful guys!!

I will definitely be better prepared when I try that mission again in the morning.

Edited January 20, 2023 by dburne

[dburne]

Does the DCS Spit seriously not have any internal cockpit lighting? I had a look through control assignments and do not see one anywhere. 

Kind of tough doing a cold start in the dark.

 

Edit: scratch that I found it under illumination rather than lighting.

Edited January 21, 2023 by dburne

[SidtheGit]

Loving the reinstalled Viggen...just looks awesome!! Along with the Mirage 2000, Sabre and Mig15....

 

 

Edited January 21, 2023 by SidtheGit

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, SidtheGit said:

Loving the reinstalled Viggen

I am in the process of learning all over again the Viggen. It is a great module

[SCG_motoadve]

On 7/13/2015 at 3:35 AM, carve_gybe said:

Does anyone fly both IL-2 BOS and DCS?

 

How do they compare? 

 

I only returned recently to flight sims after decades of non-play. Things have surely changed since my F-15 Strike Eagle plane was able to fly straight up from take off to 80,000 feet....and landings were made by flying over a triangle on the ground...

 

I just learned about the existence of DCS and wonder if I should try it. I don't have a lot of spare time and my biggest fear is that I'll get addicted and cause my wife to boot me out with my PC and joystick...

 

I understand the high-level difference between the two, but more specifically how do they compare in terms of:

 

- flight modelling

- immersion

- learning curve

- difficulty

Just got into WWII DCS.

So far single player a P51D campaign.

Flight modelling IMHO the best of any sim out there, entering a spin really feels like the real thing, airplane feel like they have weight, and torque.

Very immersive, finally a sim that feels what is like to fly an airplane, was enjoying it so much no need to do time compression, flew  across the channel and back, radio is immersive too, in VR with the Varjo and 4090 looks amazing!

The clouds and water look realistic.

Learning curve not too bad , take off and landings are still a bit easier than real life, but not boring.

Damage Model,  good (flaps damage from flak) and not so good on other aspects, on mission #2 my right wing had 2 very big holes caused by flak, I could let go the stick and the plane was flying hands off straight and level, which seems to be those holes did not add any drag.

AI as bad as IL2? ? Need more missions to have a better idea, at least its not as easy to shoot down planes as in IL2 where you finish each mission with 5 or 7 kills no problem.

I am not bothered and just do auto start, instead of a proper starting procedure.

 

With Il2 going more and more towards being arcade, I don't see a reason to do Single player in IL2 anymore, MP is where I will continue flying it.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, SCG_motoadve said:

Need more missions to have a better idea, at least its not as easy to shoot down planes as in IL2 where you finish each mission with 5 or 7 kills no problem.

I am not bothered and just do auto start, instead of a proper starting procedure.

 

 

I'll limit my comments to simply pointing out that the AI of the warbirds will be revised, as is currently happening with the Jets as we speak.

So whatever you think of it's current state, it's going to improve drastically I think.

 

 

[Oyster_KAI]

1 hour ago, SCG_motoadve said:

Just got into WWII DCS.

So far single player a P51D campaign.

Flight modelling IMHO the best of any sim out there, entering a spin really feels like the real thing, airplane feel like they have weight, and torque.

Very immersive, finally a sim that feels what is like to fly an airplane, was enjoying it so much no need to do time compression, flew  across the channel and back, radio is immersive too, in VR with the Varjo and 4090 looks amazing!

The clouds and water look realistic.

Learning curve not too bad , take off and landings are still a bit easier than real life, but not boring.

Damage Model,  good (flaps damage from flak) and not so good on other aspects, on mission #2 my right wing had 2 very big holes caused by flak, I could let go the stick and the plane was flying hands off straight and level, which seems to be those holes did not add any drag.

AI as bad as IL2? ? Need more missions to have a better idea, at least its not as easy to shoot down planes as in IL2 where you finish each mission with 5 or 7 kills no problem.

I am not bothered and just do auto start, instead of a proper starting procedure.

 

With Il2 going more and more towards being arcade, I don't see a reason to do Single player in IL2 anymore, MP is where I will continue flying it.

WWII warbird with takeoff assistance100% as easy as IL-2 GB, I suggest to set takeoff assistance 0%, very enjoyable takeoff and landing.

Yes, after many years, the current DCS WWII has made great progress in terms of ground control and DM.
In addition to encountering too few types of aircraft, it is a very immersive and good WWII experience.
I'm amazed that DCS WWII is now so much more immersive than IL-2 GB, even though it took them 3-5 years to make many things plausible.

[RedeyeStorm]

Like GB however the biggest downside in DCS is the AI and control of your wingman. There are a lot more commands than in GB but they are mostly ignored or when obeyed have weird results. Order to attack targets ground or air have them ignore the nearest target and go for the target 170 miles away at full afterburner.

 

Or my favorite immersion killer that they basically ignore air defense zones so when ordered to attack ground targets they fly inside the enemy’s air defense umbrella and get shot down even when equipped with JDAM, JSOW or Maverick’s. 
 

Many more of that stuff going around. In GB if you leave the AI alone it will do its thing. Not optimal but better then the target drones in DCS.

 

My opinion and have been flying the series since ‘Flanker’ and still return to it but the AI always makes me leave for a time.