DCS

[AndyJWest]

Don't be mean. I'm sure that a DCS recreation of the massed battles between Fw-190 Ds and Corsairs over the Strait of Hormuz will be entirely authentic.

 

Seriously though, nice looking plane, and I'm sure some will get enjoyment out of it, but a bit more effort towards creating some sort of historical consistency would have done a great deal towards attracting new buyers. As it stands, I've entirely lost interest in DCS WW2 content.

[Lusekofte]

@AndyJWest you know making plane and maps actually fits to each other, will destroy their image

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, Rolling_Thunder said:

Ah yes, the iconic sight of corsairs escorting B17s. Can't wait to recreate those battles.

 

Just another chapter in Disjointed Combat Simulator.

 

EDIT: now I see the next plane a bunch of people are pining for is the An-2 because (in one person's words) "it definetly could be one and can act like one" (meaning a WWII plane).

 

?

Edited May 12, 2019 by LukeFF

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

Seriously though, nice looking plane, and I'm sure some will get enjoyment out of it, but a bit more effort towards creating some sort of historical consistency would have done a great deal towards attracting new buyers. As it stands, I've entirely lost interest in DCS WW2 content.

 

...yep.

Maybe SOME effort even would have been nice.

The amount of development resources that are arguably being wasted is staggering.

Imagine all those man hours being directed toward a cohesive goal...sad really.

 

 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

No resources are ever wasted if final product will make customers happy. 

 

[Fennec]

I am considering getting into DCS since I get weary of waiting for IL2 to finish the eastern front or start the Pacific instead of going into tanks and yet another western front scenario that so many sims did already.

 

What modules would you advise me please? I have read that FC3 is the way to start as you get more planes apparently but they also talk about low fidelity... what does it mean? Does that mean that it is a straight port of Lomac (that I already own) with better graphics or is it really much better and realistic?

 

I am looking for max 2 modules( looking to empty my steam wallet but cant afford more )  with jets only but dont know what to choose. I would favour the Korean War planes like F86 Sabre or Mig15 but is there a fully fleshed and realistic campaign around it? But then i have seen how amazing the Hornet module looks and there is also the Mirage.  

 

I dont know where to start, can someone give me an advice before i splash the 100 euros please? Thank you in advance.

 

 

Edited May 12, 2019 by Fennec

[Cunctator]

Yeah. The last time any Corsair was made for a state of the art combat flight sim was Pacific Fighters in 2004 (!). And even then people were complaining about the half baked and incomplete Pacific scenario. I don't want to die from old age waiting for the "perfect" Pacific sim, flying virtual Mustangs and Bf-109s forever.

 

Yes, it could have been an F4U-4, fitting into Korea  as well, but at least with the upcoming Fw 190A8/F8 and a bunch of AI planes the material will be there for some convincing missions featuring Fleet Air Arm Corsairs. British Corsairs over Normandy during the Summer of 1944 is as realistic as F-14s over the Caucasus and nobody is complaining about that. 

[Hoots]

I take DCS as more of an “FSX with better graphics and the option to bomb things” kind of thing rather than a Digital Combat Simulator and that way it sort of works. In my head anyway...

[InProgress]

2 hours ago, Cunctator said:

British Corsairs over Normandy during the Summer of 1944 is as realistic as F-14s over the Caucasus and nobody is complaining about that. 

Bunch of people does... even few posts above. This is whole problem with DCS and why many people don't even want to get into it. Also it's not very good idea to compare ww2, which is event that already happended and ended so it has clear realism when it comes to representing it in games. While modern warfare is something we have today, F14 over caucasus could be a futute secenatio and make sense. While making ww2 game that does not care about historical realism can be a problem. This is pretty much complaining about black woman fighting in german army CoD WW2 while no one says anything about woman in modern war games because we already have woman in army. Makes sense even if it's just future stuff while ww2 is not.

 

2 hours ago, Fennec said:

I am considering getting into DCS since I get weary of waiting for IL2 to finish the eastern front or start the Pacific instead of going into tanks and yet another western front scenario that so many sims did already.

 

What modules would you advise me please? I have read that FC3 is the way to start as you get more planes apparently but they also talk about low fidelity... what does it mean? Does that mean that it is a straight port of Lomac (that I already own) with better graphics or is it really much better and realistic?

FC3 is something like IL2, you don't have full realism clickable cockpits and all this hardcore stuff. It's kind of like il-2 with modern planes. This is why it's much cheaper. There is one plane like this in free version so you can try it. Also DCS ww2 is about western front so it's not like you will get something new and fresh. Just another normandy game.

 

If you want modern planes then it's up to you. Hard to recommend something, depends what you want to fly. F18 is nice multi role fighter, A10 is nice ground attacker. There is bunch of diffrent planes. It also depends what country would you like to fly for. I think F14 and F18 is the best choice, F14 is a bit old but still good. I think it's a bit easier because you have AI Jester guy that you can give orders to so you don't have to bother with some stuff that you would have to deal with in F18.

 

You can also try a helicopters, Mi8 is fun, Mi24 should come soon. You can roleplay as poland with them   I would not get Mig15 or F86 or even huey. This is very alone dlc, all 3 of these are old and there is not much you can do with them(it's pretty much I16, you have plane but not map or anyone to fight against, here you can at least fight 1 jet but that's all). Mig 15 vs F86 only, there is nothing else in that timeline + huey. Also no map for them so it's not so much fun if you care about some realism when it comes to world building. Get Mi8 or F14 or F18 and Persian Gulf map.

Edited May 12, 2019 by InProgress

[Fennec]

Thank you very much for your help and taking the time to explain Inprogress, i really appreciate it.

 

 

[Lusekofte]

3 hours ago, Fennec said:

What modules would you advise me please?

Personally I advice you to dl DCS world and fly the SU 27 T. It is free of charge. 

It is one of my favorites. I am into ww2 but only use those modules for free flight. In some ways they give you a sense of accomplishment you do not get in gb. 

You will in my opinion be very disappointed in ww2 modules if you look at it as a complete cfs game. 

For me I am in it for the choppers. They are incredible. Best chopper sim available for public hands down

Edited May 12, 2019 by LuseKofte

[Sharpe43]

53 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

Personally I advice you to dl DCS world and fly the SU 27 T. It is free of charge. 

It is one of my favorites. I am into ww2 but only use those modules for free flight. In some ways they give you a sense of accomplishment you do not get in gb. 

You will in my opinion be very disappointed in ww2 modules if you look at it as a complete cfs game. 

For me I am in it for the choppers. They are incredible. Best chopper sim available for public hands down

He means the Su25. That plane is included in DCS world for free.

[Rolling_Thunder]

14 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Just another chapter in Disjointed Combat Simulator.

 

EDIT: now I see the next plane a bunch of people are pining for is the An-2 because (in one person's words) "it definetly could be one and can act like one" (meaning a WWII plane).

 

?

they want to dust the lush DCS crops. I noticed a cow static object. maybe they're after the farming crowd?

[Lusekofte]

Do not know why this critique . What a marvelous plane to fly

[Gambit21]

9 hours ago, Cunctator said:

British Corsairs over Normandy during the Summer of 1944 is as realistic as F-14s over the Caucasus and nobody is complaining about that. 

 

Read the thread.

[Fennec]

Wow, i was flying for 6 hours straight in that Su-25 and had an absolute blast. This DCS sim is amazing!

 

I am thinking what to do next, overly excited at the moment.

 

There is that old Mirage 2000C which rings true in my heart. But then I have seen that fantastic Persian gulf map on steam and the multirole FA/18 with carrier ops which could be really fantastic as well. Sheet, i want them all now... I checked on youtube how amazing the F14 is then there is the iconic Mig19 & 29s..  I dont see the F16 on steam, does it exist as a module? 

 

Oh my, what to do... this could get me broke in no time. I may have to ignore Flaming Cliff 3 for now and focus on the newer stuffs perhaps? Then there are the choppers as well...well they will have to wait till i get rich..

 

What could be decisive is the campaigns included or not in the modules. I've read on youtube the Mirage campaign is good. 

 

Can anyone tell me what are the best recent modules that include a very good campaign please? Or is it unnecessary because there are community made campaigns that would make this irrelevant?

 

2 modules and the Gulf map sounds like a smart choice, not sure. But i need to make sure that I'll also get enough high quality content mission/campaign wise. 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 12, 2019 by Fennec

[Lusekofte]

Many like the Mirage. It can do all. I have not even sat up the controls for it. 

Do not go into the pit of buying modules you won’t fly. 

Mirage is a good start. It compete well with other modules. 

Ask yourself what you want. Mig 21 era early Cold War. Or modern warfare. 

You need to relax and make a plan. Or you going to be broke. You will not be able to fly them all 

[Sharpe43]

33 minutes ago, Fennec said:

Wow, i was flying for 6 hours straight in that Su-25 and had an absolute blast. This DCS sim is amazing!

 

I am thinking what to do next, overly excited at the moment.

 

There is that old Mirage 2000C which rings true in my heart. But then I have seen that fantastic Persian gulf map on steam and the multirole FA/18 with carrier ops which could be really fantastic as well. Sheet, i want them all now... I checked on youtube how amazing the F14 is then there is the iconic Mig19 & 29s..  I dont see the F16 on steam, does it exist as a module? 

 

Oh my, what to do... this could get me broke in no time. I may have to ignore Flaming Cliff 3 for now and focus on the newer stuffs perhaps? Then there are the choppers as well...well they will have to wait till i get rich..

 

What could be decisive is the campaigns included or not in the modules. I've read on youtube the Mirage campaign is good. 

 

Can anyone tell me what are the best recent modules that include a very good campaign please? Or is it unnecessary because there are community made campaigns that would make this irrelevant?

 

2 modules and the Gulf map sounds like a smart choice, not sure. But i need to make sure that I'll also get enough high quality content mission/campaign wise. 

 

 

 

 

Try turning it around then. Check the user content section 1st, before choosing modules.

[Fennec]

Thank you Sharpe i will do that. Thank you very much LuseKofte as well!

 

I really want to buy this tonite, i need a last minute advice please : If you had the choice between the F14 Tomcat and the F/A 18 Hornet, which would you choose and for what reasons please? Thanks! 

 

I read the the Hornet is not yet fully finished and that the radar has issues, is that true?

Edited May 12, 2019 by Fennec

[Cunctator]

8 hours ago, InProgress said:

Also it's not very good idea to compare ww2, which is event that already happended and ended so it has clear realism when it comes to representing it in games. While modern warfare is something we have today, F14 over caucasus could be a futute secenatio and make sense. While making ww2 game that does not care about historical realism can be a problem. This is pretty much complaining about black woman fighting in german army CoD WW2 while no one says anything about woman in modern war games because we already have woman in army. Makes sense even if it's just future stuff while ww2 is not.

 

USN F-14 are out of service since 2006, the planes scrapped or in museums now. F-14s operating from carriers are as much history as WW2 or the Cold War. Almost any airframe in DCS is either already phased out, at the very end of its career or upgraded far beyond the capabilities in the sim, while almost every truly modern fighter is missing entirely. No Growler, Super Hornet, Eurofighter, Rafale, F-22 etc. Any realistic future scenario is impossible in DCS. 

 

There were no black woman fighting in the German army in WW2, that would be fantasy. But several Royal Navy home fleet carriers had Corsair squadrons deployed during the summer of 1944. Instead of bombing the Tirpitz in Norway they could have appeared over Normandy within days, if the the order had been given. It is an entirely plausible scenario that could have happened under different circumstances. Just as Fw 190A3 over Stalingrad.

[ZachariasX]

27 minutes ago, Fennec said:

If you had the choice between the F14 Tomcat and the F/A 18 Hornet, which would you choose and for what reasons please? Thanks! 

Get the F-14. The Jester crew system is absolutely great and put the whole thing in a league of its own.

 

29 minutes ago, Fennec said:

I read the the Hornet is not yet fully finished and that the radar has issues, is that true?

It is a beautiful yet extremely complex module. It is finished enough for great fun.

[Sharpe43]

I wouldn't really know what to answer to that question, since I consider choices much like taste to be personal.

 

I chose the F14 because I fully expected 'Top gun' missions and skins to be released for that module, but also because I remembered an older dedicated flightsim about the f14 called Fleet Defender and the fun I had with that little gem...

 

[Fennec]

Thanks guys ! Yeah apparently the F14 has a campaign included on both maps plus it has potential online in coop to fly with a friend familiar with the systems. Thanks a lot for your advices. That'll be Gulf map, Mirage and F14 for now. Should get me busy for months... 

 

The only thing is I have a bit of a carrier ops fetish since i am a kid... not sure i can use the Tomcat from a carrier since it isn't listed in the steam shop whereas they clearly state that we get the USS J.C. Stennis carrier in the F/A 18. Oh well, I'll get the Hornet and the Harrier at some point anyway. Many thanks once again! 

[Sokol1]

12 hours ago, Fennec said:

I am considering getting into DCS since I get weary of waiting for IL2 to finish the eastern front or start the Pacific instead of going into tanks and yet another western front scenario that so many sims did already.

 

Thing is that typical DCS buyer like brag that clickable cockpits is "real"... even some using "CTRL+HOME" for engine start. ?

 

But this feature - clickpit  just is practical and needed in modern planes with dozens of commands, instead memorize dozens of LCLT+LALT+key,

just click in some switch in cockpit, of course need memorize what the switch do and where are in middle of dozens. 

 

Some say that the meaning of DCS should be  "Digital Cockpit Simulation".

 

You can have a good idea of this "fuzzi-uzzi" for free, download DCS Word and try with Su-2T without 'clickpit' but detailed weapons operation.

And TF-P51D trainer with "clickpit' but without weapons - available only in the payware P-51 D-25-NA and 30-NA versions.

 

Then decide what you like more.

 

BTW - Besides F3C DCS has promised another  "low fidelity" version  with their more actual jet planes, DCS: Modern Air Combat.

To be released in a year of two - announced in July, 2018 but all in DCS take time, is released in "beta" and remain as is.

 

Look at DCS just as plane simulator, like FSX, X-Plane... but that can be used as "what if combat simulator", like the Battle of Casino's

and you will be happy and not frustrated with they lack of coherence like some poster in this topic, including myself. ?

[Lusekofte]

I would like you to try choppers. Here is me a while ago. never get tired about the MI 8

And yes I like the clickable pit in MI 8 . But that make it easier, not more realistic. I like the start procedure, and clickpits help you remember the procedure

 

 

Edited May 12, 2019 by LuseKofte

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

3 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Read the thread.

Yeah, I do. Every week. Not a page goes by without you complaining. I get it. You got a lot to say about platform you dont even play. 

[Sharpe43]

Tbh, choppers are a rather separate breed in DCS. Although if they ever get around to doing some kind of Vietnam map, Im sure YouTube will be flooded with even more music videos of CCR, the Rolling Stones and Ride of the Valkyries!

[Lusekofte]

Well choppers can play a major role in the servers. But basically flying slow transports give  just the same kudo as in GB. 

No glory and a juicy inresistable target for fighter jockeys. 

But it is very well modeled. If I had to choose one thing to fly in one sim. It would be MI8 in DCS

24 minutes ago, =362nd_FS=Hiromachi said:

Yeah, I do. Every week. Not a page goes by without you complaining. I get it. You got a lot to say about platform you dont even play. 

 

Frustrating as it is. DCS will never easily be explained. And if you not take the time and give it a good chance. DCS never will be a game for anyone

For me it took many years from buying it to actually tolerate it. And a bit longer to love it. 

You cant really get involved in the negative meanings here. Some of their points are correct

but despite all the faults many simply can’t imagine not flying it. Like me

[Gambit21]

37 minutes ago, =362nd_FS=Hiromachi said:

Yeah, I do. Every week. Not a page goes by without you complaining. I get it. You got a lot to say about platform you dont even play. 

 

I paid for a module - and I’ll feel free to post within the UA - thank you.

[Rolling_Thunder]

F-18 or F14? Definately the F14. Jesters eyes help a great deal in air to air. Don't hold your breath on the campaigns yet, they, like the carrier, haven't been released yet and I understand the "A" version will be released before either.

2 hours ago, Cunctator said:

But several Royal Navy home fleet carriers had Corsair squadrons deployed during the summer of 1944. Instead of bombing the Tirpitz in Norway they could have appeared over Normandy within days, if the the order had been given. 

Yes but I doubt leatherneck will include a clipped wing corsair. 

[dburne]

The first and so far only chopper I have taken the time to truly learn flight, systems , and combat is the KA-50.

Have not got it set back up since building this new system in Jan, but I hope to here very soon. Have also changed controllers since.

Have had some great flying and combat in that thing.

 

I got part way through the A-10C, more recently got part way through the F/A-18C ( carrier take offs and landings) and a little of the F14. So much more still to learn on the latter two.  Have many more modules but not sure when I will ever find the time to truly learn them.

And I have had DCS since the original Black Shark stand alone release in 2008 I believe it was.

 

IL-2 gets bulk of my time as I am such a fan of WWII era, and being a single player only guy , well IL-2 just shines so well in that area nothing

can really touch it. But I still also enjoy DCS and try to always find some time in the week to spend with it as well.

I love both sims, for what they both offer.  And I get something very satisfying from each one.

[CanadaOne]

I still want an F-104 and am prepared to pay through the nose for it.

 

The CaptainSim F-104 for FS2004 was some of the best flightsim fun I ever had. A DCS version would be the cat's whiskers.

 

[InProgress]

13 hours ago, Cunctator said:

USN F-14 are out of service since 2006, the planes scrapped or in museums now.

They are still in use, not by usa but still. No one is forcing you to fly with usa skin. You can get Iran one and done, 100% realistic future scenario on Persian Gulf map.

[Lusekofte]

I disagree in those claiming startups is a joke and everyone use cheat on it. I do it all the time. And once you see the sense in the systems it is not complicated. But it shows the need for click pits.

This is 1 / 3 of my mission # 5 in bordercampaign, to be honest my cockyness killed me a few times ending the flight in Vortex Ringstate and one probably damaged slingload.

I punish myself starting the campaign over again if I die. So the not successful mission was saved and I had to do it again. If you turn on text you see roughly what I am doing in startup. Sorry for bad quality. it looks better when I fly. 

Startups do not take long time and it motivate you to do the rest of the mission properly And you tend to plan it better too

 

 

Edited May 13, 2019 by LuseKofte

[Fennec]

Totally cracked yesterday night, and got the F/A 18 on top of Mirage2k and F14 and oh boy, there are so many things to learn! Could not sleep a single minute since yesterday and realized I have my work cut out for the next 2 years if i want to know these aircrafts very well and do a respectable job with them.

 

I am totally shocked how incredibly amazing and detailed this DCS simulation is. I absolutely had no idea during all this time that there was something like that on the market. I thought it was a reskinned Lomac with fancy clickpit modules. 

 

But now that i have tried it, i have to say i am in love with the concept. As much as i find it unnecessary in a WWII prop plane,  here with all the electronics, radio, radar and weapons subsystems to operate, it is so much more immersive and feel so important to have access to every single switch in the cockpit and learn it by heart. Assigning these things on shortcuts would be an absolute hell to use it. 

 

I am a total noob at the moment but i can imagine that the feeling of reward and being in control of your aircraft is immense once i will make sense of every single switch and button at my disposal in the cockpit. The level of detail is really staggering.

 

I may come to regret the patriotic expense for the Mirage on the short term as I won't be able to buy anything sim related for the next 6 months or more.. and not sure I can learn 3 of such complex aircrafts at the same time.. I will have to specialize in one initally. I should have listened to reason like LuseKofte advised me and gotten the F14 and F/A 18 only  

 

Oh well, but on the other hand that Mirage is a child's dream for us and once they decommission the Rafale, that will surely be the last time our country will produce an aircraft on its own. Next ones will be EADS which is a good thing but that Mirage is already arising nostalgia and a pure joy to fly. 

 

Yeah talking about the Persian Gulf... it is hot lately in the news with last week's US carrier deployment so DCS could be spot on with that Persian Gulf map. American F/A 18s, UAE's Mirages and Iranian F14 Tomcats could meet in the skies over there.. 

 

Edited May 13, 2019 by Fennec

[Lusekofte]

8 minutes ago, Fennec said:

I am a total noob at the moment but i can imagine that the feeling of reward and being in control of your aircraft is immense once i will make sense of every single switch and button at my disposal in the cockpit. The level of detail is really staggering.

 

 

If you are like me you will feel like a noob for years to come. I simply do not get the terms they use .

Amrams? buddyspike? Rifle? 

In what I fly it is usually ))Boom((( or in KA 50 Piiiiip ))Boom(( and your dead 

[=WoVi=cercataa]

On 5/11/2019 at 4:31 PM, Rolling_Thunder said:

Nothing similar. ED "took over" the WW2 kickstarter because they were partners. They didn't take over the hawk and VEAO, even though "some people already bought it", because they werent partners.

 

Technically It was similar, someone else were doing the job.

Legally it was different ...

[Cunctator]

6 hours ago, InProgress said:

They are still in use, not by usa but still. No one is forcing you to fly with usa skin. You can get Iran one and done, 100% realistic future scenario on Persian Gulf map.

 

Not the F-14B, the only one currently flyable, USN only and it will get its official campaign on the Caucasus map. What would you do if some news site reports tomorrow that Iran has retired the last Tomcats? Uninstall the module because there no more realistic future scenarios left? Play Gulf of Sidra or Desert missions forever, never utilizing the F-14 in the fleet defense/ bomber interceptor role it was designed for? 

[Sokol1]

5 hours ago, Fennec said:

 Assigning these things on shortcuts would be an absolute hell to use it. 

 

That's the beautiful of "clickpicks", just look for the switch and click above, specially in VR.

[DD_Arthur]

15 minutes ago, Sokol1 said:

 

That's the beautiful of "clickpicks", just look for the switch and click above, specially in VR.