"Pack 184" missions & campaigns

[TIGRE88]

moustache , anyway I will provide the link of the pack as soon as I have Normandie and the CHurchill and that I have integrated the Churchill in the Pack. whether the bug is fixed or not, as promised.
I have just started downloading the update, I will see the result tonight....

[TIGRE88]

the turret bug is still not fixed! 
surprising though, with all the promises of bug fixes for the tanks I heard... and finally there are only the planes that have been improved or taken care of........ as always...  

 

turret bug.zip

Edited September 8, 2022 by TIGRE88

[Regingrave-]

2 часа назад, TIGRE88 сказал:

and finally there are only the planes that have been improved or taken care of

Improvements for plane DM were announced and planned for BON release from the start, not to mention, planes are coded by separate department. And fixing any bugs is extra work we will get on to after we'll finish our current tasks of polishing Normandy.

[moustache]

[Jake]

1 hour ago, Regingrave said:

Improvements for plane DM were announced and planned for BON release from the start, not to mention, planes are coded by separate department. And fixing any bugs is extra work we will get on to after we'll finish our current tasks of polishing Normandy.

That's good to read, but is there an approximate time frame? When can we expect it? This bug has been around for some time now. 

[TIGRE88]

2 hours ago, Regingrave said:

Improvements for plane DM were announced and planned for BON release from the start, not to mention, planes are coded by separate department. And fixing any bugs is extra work we will get on to after we'll finish our current tasks of polishing Normandy.

 

I really hope so because I trusted you, in the meantime I bought Normandy and the Churchill plus the ton of work I did for the campaign PACK.

but in truth this bug should have been fixed a long time ago.
the problem is that for the tanks I notice that :  new bugs and problems are introduced but when it's time to fix a bug it takes months or even more than a year. 
the problem of turret is present since more than 1 year, before that, in 2019 the tanks worked well, their turret did not turn in all the directions when the tank rolled ..  

 

this is what really annoys me, everything is fine, and then problems are introduced and the game stays like that all this time.

there is a problem with the choice of priority management. the game should be functional before new content is introduced. 
in french we call that : mettre la charrue avant les boeufs 

[Dalogan72]

34 minutes ago, TIGRE88 said:

mettre la charrue avant les boeufs 

 

In any language goes I think. Thanks you for your hrad work regarding this game.

[BladeMeister]

Yep, I have to agree with the gentleman here. This problem was introduced by a patch over a year ago and was promised to be corrected with this release update of BON. Don't promise what you can't deliver and always give notice in advance to whom you have made the promise to if it is inevitable that you will not make the deadline. Everyone knows 1C is busy, and thankfully so, but never be to busy to give professional curtecy to the customers that support you.

 

S!Blade<><

[Regingrave-]

6 минут назад, BladeMeister сказал:

Yep, I have to agree with the gentleman here. This problem was introduced by a patch over a year ago and was promised to be corrected with this release update of BON. Don't promise what you can't deliver and always give notice in advance to whom you have made the promise to if it is inevitable that you will not make the deadline. Everyone knows 1C is busy, and thankfully so, but never be to busy to give professional curtecy to the customers that support you.

No one was promised anything, except that after we're done with the Normandy (and we're not, even though the map is released), there will be spare time to adress other issues like this one.

[BladeMeister]

28 minutes ago, Regingrave said:

No one was promised anything, except that after we're done with the Normandy (and we're not, even though the map is released), there will be spare time to adress other issues like this one.

Alright, my apology then. I was under the impression that Tigre88 had been promised a fix with this specific update. I was misinformed then. Hopefully this will happen soon then

 

S!Blade<><

[TIGRE88]

free time ? I didn't think I understood that, I understood that the problem would be corrected at the same time as Normandie or just after.
and now the condition has visibly changed, when will you have free time? so in this case it could very well be in 2024 or 2025 or never.

in fact from what you said, I should have only remembered "free time" and not "during or after Normandy" and yet it is logical that at least just after Normandy there is free time.. but your real and only condition of "free time" means nothing, as I said, you can say that you have free time after 10 years or never.  

hoping you don't have a new project to make the Tobruk map or the italy map .. because then we would have to wait until 2040 before you can have free time.

 

the truth is that when it affects planes, the problem is corrected in the week, but when it's tanks, ha then, it's when you have free time..... say it directly frankly, yet the game of tank costs as expensive as the game of plane .. but the after-sales service is not assured in the same way.

 

why sell such an expensive tank game in this case? lower the price, put it at 15 euros. like that it will be neglected at the height of its price.

 

what is very surprising is that you have free time to introduce bugs and problems for the tanks, you have free time to put unrealistic ricochets, you have free time to put HE shells which neutralize in a way not credible tank guns in 1 shot, you have free time to introduce bugs that make the turret move constantly, for all this obviously you have free time. but when it comes to correcting your mistakes, you have no more free time.

why do you use your free time to introduce problems and bugs when the game was working well before? 

 

you want to be respected but you don't respect your customers and you don't respect the people who work to provide content. but keep it up guys you are doing a great job.... it's all very well managed, you're right, the only thing that matters is the money earned.

 

you should ask the question to the people who are waiting for me to publish the link of the PACK206, it would make them happy if tomorrow I told them: I will give you the link of the PACK the next week, when i have free time... hey yes but it turns out that I never have free time.. so how do we do it? will they wait until 2040?  

have a good evening, I'm really pissed off

Edited September 8, 2022 by TIGRE88

[SCG_Junkman]

Well customer support is >>>>>>>>>>?

[Regingrave-]

2 часа назад, TIGRE88 сказал:

I should have only remembered "free time" and not "during or after Normandy"

You don't need to recall anything as my exact words are still there, quote:

21.06.2022 в 15:51, Regingrave сказал:

The only thing I could promise you, as I already said, is that we will fix the bug, when we'll have time to develop additional functionality and revise some of the algorythims that are required to solve the problem. It's not an easy task, it requires a dedicated time window for our programmer to work on it, so it will be not earlier than the release of Normandy.

[TIGRE88]

27 minutes ago, Regingrave said:

You don't need to recall anything as my exact words are still there, quote:

 

Regingrave.... I no longer need to hope for anything from this company..
put all your time guys, even better do nothing. it wouldn't change anything anyway.

 

read the private messages exchanged, you will understand that you misled me.. if you are talking about "during or after Normandy" and at the same time "free time".. for me that just means during or after Normandy... because it is logical that once Normandy is finished, there is free time... but good after that if you add that Normandy is far from being finished.... in this case indeed we may have to wait another 2 years or more for Normandy to be completely finalized, and the bugs fixed. ..........in short I will not debate for hours on that,....i wast my time 

 

off topic but : 
for my part, I bought the Normandie at 80 euros plus the Churchill.. moreover, I was fooled because the Normandy at 80 euros is useless to me, planes don't interest me.. would have needed the Normandie at 50 euros.. I lost 30 euros for nothing.. and now how do I get reimbursed?

Edited September 8, 2022 by TIGRE88

[Steamhead]

This looks more and more like an abandoned game....

Sorry to say, but that is what it is.

[TIGRE88]

Steamhead , the problem is that since the beginning the management of the priorities of this game is catastrophic, I do not know who is the leader who gives the orders to the development team, but this person takes the bad decisions.   

from the beginning the problem has always been the same, the game has problems that seriously handicap it and instead of dealing with solving problems as a priority so that the game works correctly, taking a few days or even a few weeks to correct the problems, no they use their time to add content, options, new problems and bugs and let the game rot like that for months or years.

 

and during this time the planes are much improved and their bugs fixed quickly and on the other hand for the tanks it's always after, after, when we have free time.. and during this time they use again and again their free time which they were supposed to not have, to add new problems and bugs for the tanks, while not fixing issues that have been around for a very long time.

result :  people get upset because they paid for a working product that doesn't work well forever.

if tomorrow your tank starts to go to the left while you are driving straight, well they will let this problem drag on for years, under the pretext of finishing Normandy or something else. it's not legit, not serious to do like that, and they forget that people have paid.

 

Tank crew is not the priority? as some say? so in this case they have to stop reprogramming Tank crew.

in 2019 everything was working fine and from 2020 they only introduced bugs and problems, nothing else. the turret which starts to move on its own during the combat phases, the shells which ricochet non-stop when they shouldn't, the HE which explodes your cannon in 1 shot .. etc etc .. you have no free time for Tank crew? so don't touch Tank crew .. it's simple .. when you touch it it's only to add problems and bugs. Where is the interest ? or use your free time to correct problems..   

in fact there's no point talking to them, they're stubborn, it looks like I'm talking to robots  

 

if they annoy the customers like that, they should not be surprised that we end up talking badly to them. in life we get what we deserve, they should not take people for idiots 

 

Edited September 10, 2022 by TIGRE88

[Sandinourcoffee6]

Yes I paid full price for tank crew,granted I had steam vouchers that I got as a gift!

I must admit I am not really a tank guy but then I enjoyed the experience and enjoyed playing quite a few missions in your pack ( some quite difficult but that kept me with the challenge )

All this was a new experience for me ( a change from flying )

well the last time I played I just got things happened,like the game was not working the same,I made an effects pack for it but have not really used tank crew for awhile now.

This is a huge shame as it really is or was or could be very good.

I think now that BON is finished or nearly finished they should spend the next six months fixing things in tank crew.

so yes I agree people that really know about tank combat are going to pick up on everything,it’s not war thunder or battlefield but a tank sim,no blowing up over wells,do wells still have mines attached!

If people start putting bad reviews on steam then that could effect their sales ( I am not one to complain on steam and put reviews )

I put on here instead because tank crew need the love it deserves

 

[CIPPOZ]

Non ho parole....vi prego non lasciate andare tank crew, non è giusto io poi non ho neanche il pack 184 perché non si può scaricare, allora rimettetelo!! A questo punto almeno qualche missione funzionerà, ma ero così contento del rilascio del pack 204, poi ho speso solo per avere tank crew con un paio di mappe " Stalingrado-Mosca" Più di 150euro, e credetemi di soldi non ne ho'!! Io sono speranzoso che voi farete la cosa giusta!! il mio primo gioco di aerei è stato agli inizi del 2000 con IL2 STURMOVIK ,che era anche in italiano, poi chissà perché  la lingua italiana fine, e sarebbe bello capire tutto quello che è scritto mentre gioco con le campagne e le missioni," spesso non so cosa devo fare" mi fa un po' arrabbiare questa cosa, ma il gioco dovette sistemarlo perché se no incominceranno a girare brutte voci su i network e a la lunga come finirà?? avevo letto che sarebbe uscito con la mappa Normandia, più o meno, e adesso...????IO ho ancora speranza, dai che siete fantastici, un abbraccio da un amico!!! cippe 

I have no words....please don't let tank crew go, it's not fair I don't even have the 184 pack because it can't be downloaded, so put it back!!! At this point at least some missions will work, but I was so happy with the release of the 204 pack, then I spent just to have tank crew with a couple of maps "Stalingrad-Moscow" More than 150euros, and believe me I don't have any money'!!! I am hopeful that you will do the right thing!! my first aircraft game was at the beginning of 2000 with IL2 STURMOVIK, which was also in Italian, then who knows why the Italian language end, and it would be nice to understand everything that is written while I play with the campaigns and missions, "often I do not know what to do" makes me a little 'angry this thing, but the game had to fix it because if not will begin to turn bad rumours about the networks and a la lunga how will it end? ? i had read that it would come out with the Normandy map, more or less, and now...???? i still have hope, come on you guys are great, a hug from a friend!!! cippe

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[TIGRE88]

CIPPOZ , dont worry, the PACK206.. now 207 .. will be available shortly after the Churchill appears, 
I need to include the Churchill in PACK 207... there is a mission dedicated to the Churchill and I need to put the Churchill in other missions as an enemy.    
It's not going to take me 6 months to do it... you can count on me, as always, I think people have always been able to count on me when they had a request or a concern. ...

 

 

CIPPOZ, non preoccuparti, il PACK206... ora 207... sarà disponibile poco dopo la comparsa del Churchill, 
Devo includere il Churchill nel PACK 207... c'è una missione dedicata al Churchill e devo inserire il Churchill in altre missioni come nemico.    
Non mi ci vorranno 6 mesi per farlo... potete contare su di me, come sempre, credo che le persone abbiano sempre potuto contare su di me quando avevano una richiesta o una preoccupazione. ...

 

Edited September 10, 2022 by TIGRE88

[CIPPOZ]

Non ho dubbi ,anzi grazie di tutto, non vedo l'ora!!! yeeaaahhhh!!!!!?

I have no doubt ,indeed thank you for everything, I can't wait!!! yeeaaahhh!!!!!?

[TIGRE88]

first mission made for Normandy : michael wittmann villers bocage
this mission will be available in PACK208 

sorry for the video bugs... I have a bad software 
question who made this tank skin ? i completely forgot .... 
if the person who made this skin shows up I can quote him on youtube.   

 

 

Edited September 11, 2022 by TIGRE88

[Dalogan72]

@TIGRE88when do you think are you gonna release your missions pack, I only come here for your work nothing else. I am not interested in the developers, I am just interested in your missions and campaigns. 

[Spinnetti]

Will be ironic if they fix the turret bug, but leave the even more egregious penetration bugs recently introduced. 88 still bounces more often than not, even point blank.

[moustache]

13 minutes ago, Spinnetti said:

Will be ironic if they fix the turret bug, but leave the even more egregious penetration bugs recently introduced. 88 still bounces more often than not, even point blank.

it seemed to me that the devs said that they would fix it, and even that it appeared in the bug fixes of the update?

[Spinnetti]

Well, played some yesterday, and seems inconsistent. Further, some of the delivered missions seem to have bugs now - like missions not advancing when objectives are completed. 

[scal1310]

I agree with Tiger88 in his complaint. I was attracted by Tank Crew but I feel like I'm being ripped off by the price and the lack of content in addition to the bugs. I think the lack of follow-up is a lack of respect for the customer. This is just my opinion.

If they don't have the time then why did they release an extension and not take care of it. By charging a lot of money at the same time.

[TIGRE88]

scal1310 , 

it is exactly that, it is however extremely logical: 
a team of developers has neither the time nor the money to spend on a game like Tank Crew, so why they dont stop adding more and more bugs and problems?   they should fix the bugs instead .

before 2020 the game Tank Crew was perfect... in the sense that it was operational, frankly who was complaining about big problems? 
the turret problem, imagine it, This problem has existed for over a year.... it's not like it just appeared last week...

they managed to poison my life for more than a year with this bug problem, and it's not over, it's obviously never going to be over. expect them to add more bugs to Tank crew with the free time and money they are supposed to not have.. as always   

[eastriverman]

13 minutes ago, TIGRE88 said:

scal1310 , 

it is exactly that, it is however extremely logical: 
a team of developers has neither the time nor the money to spend on a game like Tank Crew, so why they dont stop adding more and more bugs and problems?   they should fix the bugs instead .

before 2020 the game Tank Crew was perfect... in the sense that it was operational, frankly who was complaining about big problems? 
the turret problem, imagine it, This problem has existed for over a year.... it's not like it just appeared last week...

they managed to poison my life for more than a year with this bug problem, and it's not over, it's obviously never going to be over. expect them to add more bugs to Tank crew with the free time and money they are supposed to not have.. as always   

Greetings Tigre,

 

I couldn't agree more to your justified complaints about TC because they are equally true for all of GB as far as we talk about the singleplayer career part and I know about a ton of bugs in there that persist since years.

 

However, I think the explanation how this comes is plain simple.

 

In the world of computer games flight simulators are niche products with probably a few hundred thousend copies sold which, compared to blockbuster games like The Wicher 3 with 40 million copies sold, are almost negligable.

 

Thus, companies developing fight simulators or simulators in common can afford only a comparatively small developer team and income can only be generated by putting out new content, but not by fixing bugs. The latter one makes all of us, who bought the game already, very happy, but not the company guys since the have to earn money for their living.

 

So, putting out new content also puts new bugs on top of those already existing and that's what one could call a vicious circle, or, speaking as an scientist, a control circuit with negative feedback ?

 

The bottom line for me is, that I don't expect any changes for the better in the forseeable future.

 

With this in mind I've decided to draw a line under this affair and stop to buy any further content because it will make me only more frustrated and that's bad for health.

 

It hurts because I was a faithful fan of Sturmovik since the very first one came out in the 90s and I bought almost every content since then, but enough is enough.

 

What a pity, but in the end it's only a computer game and right now with a war raging in the middle of europe we have by far more serious problems than this "nuisance".

 

best regard

eastriverman

 

[TIGRE88]

eastriverman , hello ! 

the new content they put, is new content that no one wants to see, like fancy ricochets, HE shells that destroy a cannon in 1 shot, etc.. it's this kind of content that is useless, that wastes time and money, and they should fix bugs instead of adding this kind of content, they waste their time and money and waste our time and our money.

you see now what i mean about "new content" ?  

it is this the problem ..... 

 

adding things that are useless requires work and money and in the end it brings nothing but people who complain even more and who do not want to play the game anymore. it is a bad calculation, they lose customers, reputation and in the end it is not good

 

when I call it useless content, in fact it's worse than useless content, it's actually content that deteriorates the quality, so it's harmful content.  
it makes a game that is supposed to be a simulation, at least sold as a simulation, much less credible in the end 

 

to answer your remark, concerning the current war, I think I'm well placed to be aware of what's going on, few people know what I know, in fact to tell the truth if people knew what I know, nobody would come to play anymore... they would suddenly be all terribly anxious... . you can be sure that there would be almost no one left on Tank crew or on the airplane game, but I'm enjoying life as if I were going to die the next second, that doesn't stop me from doing my projects and doing everything else, even the most insignificant things, and also to concern myself with problems less serious than the present war. because in life there are always more serious problems, but in reality all problems are important. I would like to see the face that the players of the airplane game would have if tomorrow a bug affects the wheels of the planes which do not want to come out or the flaps of the wings which go into landing position when they should be in flight position ..  

 

Edited September 15, 2022 by TIGRE88

[MajorMagee]

I learned a long time ago that any government exists within multiple levels of truth. At the lowest level there is what they want the public to know, to either control them, or reassure them enough to let them live an unencumbered life. In between there are people that know different versions of the truth (at the time I was one of them about four levels up the chain). The higher you go, the closer to reality the story is. I suspect that even at the highest official levels there are things that are hidden away in a side branch through compartmentalism. (e.g. details the President doesn't need to know for plausible deniability).

 

[TIGRE88]

i just added something to my answer :  

for me the turret bug is an important problem, it is not in the category of superficial bugs or you just have to blink to forget it, it is present in about 30% of the work I did for the campaign PACK missions. I remind you that this campaign PACK cost me 2 years of hard work.  
for me it is not superficial. it is my project which was partially destroyed
this bug affects the operation of a turret that becomes abnormal.  
It's exactly like I said above, it's like if your plane put itself in landing position while you're in full combat. ..  

 

 

[scal1310]

As it is, it is not worth the price.
I regret my purchase and I can't get a refund

[TIGRE88]

the Churchill is coming soon, I'll give you the campaign PACK soon but honestly be prepared to have a game that does not work well, as you know the problem of the turret which moves by itself and points in an empty direction is present for more than 1 year, and recently since the last updates, new problems have been added, the shells no longer manage to pierce what they should pierce easily, such as the 88mm which must fire between 3 and 5 times on a Sherman to destroy it, plus another problem, the missions that are not validated while all the enemy tanks counted as destroyed should validate the mission.. and yes because their engine is not destroyed, they are no longer counted as destroyed and the mission does not end.. unfortunately it is the game in this state that you will experience while playing soon.. do you still want to play?

 

there is also the problem of HE shells which neutralize the guns in 1 or 2 shots .. good for once this problem does not concern me, it only concerns multiplayer .. obviously the AI tanks are more logical and more realistic that the humans who decreed that in this game the HE could neutralize a cannon so easily... anyway.......?    let's laugh there is more serious problems in life...

Edited September 29, 2022 by TIGRE88

[Spinnetti]

Well, that's what we get for complaining. Tank crew has more defects now than when it launched.

[Regingrave-]

We've already fixed the problem with tanks not counted as destroyed, the fix will be released with the next update.

 

Oh ricochets again — the particular case with distance, angle of hit and the place of hit is required, as exaggerated statements of nothing piercing anything anymore is not a valid bug report.

On HE shells damaging cannons: recently I've came across a very good example. Look at this fingernail-deep indentation here — that's a damage from nearby HE shelling that is enough to render smoothbore gun inoperable, in the pinned comment author confirms that the barrel now requires a replacement, though the damage could not look so serious. Considering the stress on the barrel of a smoothbore cannon during the shot is significantly lower than a stress on a rifled barrel, that should be enough to demonstrate the vulnerability of gun barrels to the shrapnel to no further questions.

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[TIGRE88]

regingrave, you should really try the game longer and make up your mind, I've tested it enough, I can confirm that, since I'm making a lot of missions, I'm forced to test things many, many times and I can clearly see that there is a problem with the Sherman which is much too resistant.

Just yesterday, the Shermans were taking 88mm hits at less than 800 meters and they continue to advance and shoot as if they had been thrown a paper ball. 

I'm not exaggerating... try the game more often and you'll see that something is wrong, it doesn't represent reality. I've been reading history books on the war for several weeks now, it's clear that the Sherman can't withstand that much... but you seem to be in over your head in this development team, so it's no use me explaining things to you.

 I thought the game was supposed to be a realistic simulation? if that's still the case then there's a problem, this tank in the game is not a Sherman but a m26Pershing to be able to continue the fight after having received 4 or 5  88 mm shots at less than 800 meters, even at less than 400 meters it does it.   

when things are explained to you you tend to get angry and deny reality.  

 

same for the HE that can destroy a gun, ok you showed me a picture, an explanation, but you just have to test the game to see that it is not credible, try the game, and give your feeling, you just have to align 6 heavy tanks and neutralize them all in 1 or 2 HE... it takes a few seconds... do you really find that normal? credible?

 

they should have done that during the war, the war would have been won by the medium tanks against the heavy tanks...   how do you explain a war story like the one about Will Fey who destroyed 15 shermans with his only Tiger tank and he was hit by a lot of armor-piercing shells to the point that his Tiger was very damaged but he kept destroying the shermans until the 15th. . why didn't the Sherman neutralize him with 2 HE shells ? that's the question you have to ask yourself... so you find written data, pictures and you conclude that a HE shell can neutralize a gun very easily......sorry but it's wrong , 

 

I would like to see the face of the American tankers of 1940 if someone says to them: guys don't worry stay in your sherman you will have little chance of getting pierced by the 88 m in 1 shot, you can fight even after to have received 4 shells of 88.
in my opinion from the first hit you will find the guys in a bad state, the pilot with his head half torn off, the tank commander cut in 2 .. and the fire which begins to burn the tank .. a real disaster.. it's fanciful to think that depending on their angle they can make an 88mm shell ricochet 4 or 5 times at 400 meters

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by TIGRE88

[Regingrave-]

1 час назад, TIGRE88 сказал:

regingrave, you should really try the game longer and make up your mind, I've tested it enough, I can confirm that, since I'm making a lot of missions, I'm forced to test things many, many times and I can clearly see that there is a problem with the Sherman which is much too resistant.

Just yesterday, the Shermans were taking 88mm hits at less than 800 meters and they continue to advance and shoot as if they had been thrown a paper ball. 

I've just bothered to run some tests again, straight hits to Sherman's front glacis from 800 metres do penetrate as expected, unless a plate junction is hit. Although, with some bad luck and improper angling with the target you could get a ricochet from a hundred metres, which is not entirely impossible either.

So, next time this happens — record a track, so the exact conditions of the hit can be clearly seen.

 

1 час назад, TIGRE88 сказал:

same for the HE that can destroy a gun, ok you showed me a picture, an explanation, but you just have to test the game to see that it is not credible, try the game, and give your feeling, you just have to align 6 heavy tanks and neutralize them all in 1 or 2 HE... it takes a few seconds... do you really find that normal? credible?

That is simply not true. This is the result of my test: six Tigers, some direct hits of Sherman HEs at each of them plus extensive indirect 152-mm HE barrage right in front of the tanks. None of the guns were silenced by that, except one Tiger, that got destroyed by a direct 152-mm HE hit.

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3 часа назад, TIGRE88 сказал:

I'm not exaggerating... try the game more often and you'll see that something is wrong, it doesn't represent reality. I've been reading history books on the war for several weeks now, it's clear that the Sherman can't withstand that much... but you seem to be in over your head in this development team, so it's no use me explaining things to you.

3 часа назад, TIGRE88 сказал:

they should have done that during the war, the war would have been won by the medium tanks against the heavy tanks...   how do you explain a war story like the one about Will Fey who destroyed 15 shermans with his only Tiger tank and he was hit by a lot of armor-piercing shells to the point that his Tiger was very damaged but he kept destroying the shermans until the 15th. . why didn't the Sherman neutralize him with 2 HE shells ? that's the question you have to ask yourself... so you find written data, pictures and you conclude that a HE shell can neutralize a gun very easily......sorry but it's wrong , 

3 часа назад, TIGRE88 сказал:

I would like to see the face of the American tankers of 1940 if someone says to them: guys don't worry stay in your sherman you will have little chance of getting pierced by the 88 m in 1 shot, you can fight even after to have received 4 shells of 88.
in my opinion from the first hit you will find the guys in a bad state, the pilot with his head half torn off, the tank commander cut in 2 .. and the fire which begins to burn the tank .. a real disaster.. it's fanciful to think that depending on their angle they can make an 88mm shell ricochet 4 or 5 times at 400 meters

No more of this «I've read books» and speculations on historical anecdotes, please.

 

[TIGRE88]

15 minutes ago, Regingrave said:

 

No more of this «I've read books» and speculations on historical anecdotes, please.

 

 

You are basically confirming that I am wasting my time talking to you, we are showing you something that is logical and well known anyway, just watch the videos on American war veterans, they know better than you what happens when a Sherman is hit.

but no, you want to do it your way, you want to put things that are not realistic at all, well go on, you are on the wrong path, but it is useless for me to waste my time 
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and you tell me with your pictures and your explanations? they are not speculations? you are the first one to make speculations which are all but logical... why talk to me about the 152 mm? what is the relation with an explosive shell of 75? in short .....  

 

[Nblg_Magni]

4 часа назад, TIGRE88 сказал:

try the game, and give your feeling, you just have to align 6 heavy tanks and neutralize them all in 1 or 2 HE... it takes a few seconds...

 

In version 5.001 this bug was fixed, now Shermans and T34s HE shells do not disable the tiger's cannon. 

 

But in an online game, high-explosive shells can be effectively used in order to kill from a distance the tiger commander who leaned out of the hatch like at a military parade. I doubt that during a real battle, the commanders of the tigers did not hide in the tower  

Edited September 30, 2022 by Nblg_Magni

[[F.Circus]sith1144]

On 9/30/2022 at 5:47 PM, TIGRE88 said:

they should have done that during the war, the war would have been won by the medium tanks against the heavy tanks...   

You should really get to the end of those books, the winner may surprise you ?

 

On 9/30/2022 at 5:47 PM, TIGRE88 said:

it's fanciful to think that depending on their angle they can make an 88mm shell ricochet 4 or 5 times at 400 meters

If they can do it once why couldn't they do it multiple times?

 

Anyway you wouldn't happen to have any tracks of these engagements would you? In the interim, if it's so effective, I recommend shooting HE back.