GrislyAccord Posted December 29, 2019 Posted December 29, 2019 I'm just recently returning to flightsims after about a three or four year hiatus. Dusted off my CH Products rudder pedals and fighterstick, dug my TrackIR out of the drawer, and reinstalled DCS World (i have the P51, A-10c, and Black Shark 2 modules), Rise of Flight (which I bought long before it was free-to-play--I still have the original installation CD), and just bought a couple of Il-2 Great Battles modules, which I've particularly enjoyed. I've been watching a lot of Il-2: GB videos, particularly from DerSheriff (good stuff there) and playing a couple of Il-2 "iron man" campaigns. (My first pilot died after three sorties, and two confirmed kills--got hit by AA while pursuing a 110 over an enemy airfield...bad decision, lol. My second pilot died after a single a sortie in which I'd shot down down three planes. That one I am not even sure who got me. I was turning low over some trees and the screen suddenly turned dark and red and I tumbled into said trees. My third pilot has flown four successful sorties, and I've gotten three air-to-air kills and two ground kills.) What I'm trying to do is get some of my skills back before I jump into the competitive bedlam of MP. My dilemma, however, is Flying Circus. I absolutely LOVED RoF. It's one of my favorite combat flight sims of all time, and believe me, I've owned ALL of them. I loaded it up last night and it still looks and flies fantastically. (The Albatros D.II engine sounded amazing on startup and idle!) And man, I own a LOT of planes in that game! (I counted. I've got 31 of them, including the Sikorsky S-22. The only planes I didn't buy before were a few of the bombers and some double-seaters, which I rarely flew.) But comparing my RoF plane roster to that of Flying Circus is just...sad. It's also got My dilemma, here, is whether I should bother buying Flying Circus at all...or just wait until the price is drastically reduced. Which I am reluctant to do, because I believe in supporting the developers that I like, but the RoF-to-FC comparison videos I've seen and the FAQ here don't seem to highlight any substantial changes except integration with the Il-2-GB engine, graphical improvements, and a multiplayer experience that, unlike RoF apparently, still exists. (And don't get me wrong--these things are great and appreciated.) Also, I can't seem to tell whether it has the single-player career mode, or just some missions and a mission editor. Does it? $80 just seems like an awful lot for a module that offers substantially less (fewer planes, fewer maps, and possibly fewer game modes) than the great WWI combat game that I already own and enjoy... I guess what I want is for someone who's been playing it regularly to tell me how awesome it is. Help me overcome my price and content related reluctance.
J37_Daedallus Posted December 29, 2019 Posted December 29, 2019 It's awesome - buy it Pat Carter has done a career mode, and one of the SYNNs has created a mission generator and there are single missions available from Motherbrain I think plenty to keep you busy I've just left J5s server, there were over 40 ppl in multiplayer
No.23_Gaylion Posted December 29, 2019 Posted December 29, 2019 If you have IL2 already, you can jump in 2seater gun and at least check it out online. Join now and you'll find some 1
WWBiker_ Posted December 29, 2019 Posted December 29, 2019 just throw some more money in the bucket for VR and that will make up your mind for you ?
US63_SpadLivesMatter Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 Wait for it to be reduced in cost. Unless you specifically want to send the devs a message by putting up money to support it. At it's current price, it just isn't worth it otherwise. 1 1
JGr2/J5_Baeumer Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 For anyone who does not already own RoF, now is the best time to buy RoF! 75% off. You just need to want to fly by yourself is all. Come to think of it, none of us should have bought RoF until right now. We are all schmucks! All that money wasted over the past, what, 7 years, while it was developed! I should have kept on flying Red Baron 3D once a month with a dozen or so people for the past 7 years. I don't want to encourage anyone to make the same mistake we all did when we bought RoF all those years ago; we don't want anyone else to "waste" their money supporting the genre or sim or this community and make the same mistakes we did! Save your money. $80.00. Hmmmm.... with any luck not a single person will buy Flying Circus from here on out and none of us will ever see a Volume 2 for sale. Wow! Those that didn't buy FC will save twice as much or mabey more if that happens (or more precisely, doesn't happen). All of us who bought RoF AND FC are double schmucks. Don't listen to ANY of us! 1
ShamrockOneFive Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 Let me start off by saying that I loved my time with Rise of Flight (it being shorter than most of you) and I absolutely love Flying Circus as well and I think it's the best WWI flying experience you can have right now. The planes feel great, they look great, and multiplayer flying has been very satisfying for me. There are some issues with content for Flying Circus and with no career mode and no official campaigns right now it does feel a little slim. I write things out in much more detail in my review that I wrote recently which you can see here: https://stormbirds.blog/2019/11/18/flying-circus-vol-1-full-review/ There's also been a development community side that has seen several come together to put out a 6 mission mini campaign (actually its two 3 mission mini campaigns) and I suspect this won't be the last: There's also SYN Vander's Easy Mission Generator and Pat Wilson's PWCG, both which can make up for the content issues.
NO.20_W_M_Thomson Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 I say buy it, really not that much money for years of fun, I look at it this way, if you have kids how much do you spend on video games? each game can run you up to $100.00 and how long does it last, kids go through games like diapers. in a week and they finish it. If you have one of those cell phone games and they can cost you 20 bucks a week if your hooked on the damn things. I don't play any, hell I got my first cell like a month ago. I have dcs and il2 as well as ROF but this is all I fly, Loving my Bristol and the squad is coming along, Up to 5 members and looking for more. 1
DD_Arthur Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 6 hours ago, J28w-Broccoli said: Wait for it to be reduced in cost. Unless you specifically want to send the devs a message by putting up money to support it. At it's current price, it just isn't worth it otherwise. The logic of these sort of statements escapes me. When I first bought RoF it cost nearly as much as FC does now and had two planes! If you take inflation over the previous ten years into account then in real terms my original purchase of RoF cost nearly twice as much as FC does now. Was it worth it then? I dunno but luckily enough people thought like me and took a punt on it which allowed it to grow into the all encompassing sim that it is now. RoF is still a great game but further development ceased several years ago and the way forward now is FC. As part of the Great Battles series FC will continue to benefit from the constant upgrades that the game engine receives. Bottom line is quite simple; if we want more content we have to buy stuff. No amount of internet posturing is going to change that. 1
SYN_Vander Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said: ... There's also been a development community side that has seen several come together to put out a 6 mission mini campaign (actually its two 3 mission mini campaigns) and I suspect this won't be the last: ... actually it's 2 x 6 missions! 3 days -2 missions per day. Edited December 30, 2019 by SYN_Vander
Zooropa_Fly Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 I'm not sure the 'buy it to support the devs and get FC2' is still a credible statement. Yes it's great and way ahead of RoF in many respects, but $80 is a lot of money to some. 1
FTC_Snowy Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 Up to you to decide how you spend your money. For me it represents great value and I have already had many hours of enjoyment with many more to come no doubt.
DD_Arthur Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, Zooropa_Fly said: I'm not sure the 'buy it to support the devs and get FC2' is still a credible statement. Really? Are you party to some info. that the rest of us are unaware of? I very much doubt it. Is "Don't buy it, just hope the they give us more" a credible statement? $80 may well be a lot of money to some but probably represents around one twentieth of the cost of the hardware spend we've all made to enjoy this software and I've yet to see a thread that bemoans the likes of Nvidia, AMD, Intel, et all for the cost of their products.
Zooropa_Fly Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 I said "I'm not sure.." Are you telling me I have to believe there'll be an FC2 ? Sorry for conveying an opinion.
Trooper117 Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 Jason is yet to inform us if the FC bullet will travel any further... with that in mind, I'd say you are still going to get a lot more satisfaction playing RoF and all the choices it gives you than FC. I do not agree that FC is 'way ahead of RoF'... it is a step in the right direction though. If I had used my head and not my heart, I would have probably decided against buying FC, and just sat on the fence and see what develops. And there is the problem... because if FC does not sell well, there will probably not be an FC2. When all said and done, an individual has to decide whether they are interested enough to spend money on FC so that there may be the 'chance' of future development. It may present a problem with people on a tight budget, and that is no joke when you are struggling to make ends meet. 1
DD_Arthur Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 28 minutes ago, Zooropa_Fly said: I said "I'm not sure.." Are you telling me I have to believe there'll be an FC2 ? Sorry for conveying an opinion. You don't have to apologise for your opinion. You're entitled to it but this is a public forum so be prepared for your opinion to be challenged occasionally.
US63_SpadLivesMatter Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, DD_Arthur said: The logic of these sort of statements escapes me. It's possible that it escapes you because you can easily afford it. Of course people can save their pennies and delay gratification to buy it later- but if you're going to do that, you can also wait for it to go on sale... Meanwhile the dollar to dollar value of FC is arguably lower than any other title in the great battles line right now. I would like this guy to buy it, because I haven't seen a new face in multiplayer for a couple weeks now (when there's even anyone on during my times); but not everybody can easily afford that- and without detailed knowledge of OP's finances, I can only give my own viewpoint. Which is that were I to go back and do things over, I'd have waited for it to go on sale. If OP wants to pay full price in support of the devs, in *hope* of an FC2, I'm not going to stop him. Edited December 30, 2019 by J28w-Broccoli
Cynic_Al Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 17 hours ago, Daedallus said: I've just left J5s server, there were over 40 ppl in multiplayer Just to keep things in perspective, that was a scheduled event and not representative of typical activity. 2
J99_Sizzlorr Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Trooper117 said: Jason is yet to inform us if the FC bullet will travel any further... with that in mind, I'd say you are still going to get a lot more satisfaction playing RoF and all the choices it gives you than FC. I do not agree that FC is 'way ahead of RoF'... it is a step in the right direction though. If I had used my head and not my heart, I would have probably decided against buying FC, and just sat on the fence and see what develops. And there is the problem... because if FC does not sell well, there will probably not be an FC2. When all said and done, an individual has to decide whether they are interested enough to spend money on FC so that there may be the 'chance' of future development. It may present a problem with people on a tight budget, and that is no joke when you are struggling to make ends meet. I have faith in Jason, Han, Viks, Petrovich and the rest of the team. They always work hard and manage to exceed my expectations. I think FC2 is coming, it is just a question of when the break even point is reached... The foundation to build more up on is there. In multiplayer that is. We have WW1 ground units and scenery, they now just have to make more planes, probably the ones we know from Rise of Flight and the career mode system working for ww1. 3
HiIIBiIIy Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Trooper117 said: I do not agree that FC is 'way ahead of RoF'... it is a step in the right direction though. You are almost right, "it is a giant step". I have seen gun crews fleeing their post when attacked, NEVER seen that in ROF, Red Baron, or any other flight sim. 1
Cynic_Al Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 29 minutes ago, HiIIBiIIy said: You are almost right, "it is a giant step". I have seen gun crews fleeing their post when attacked, NEVER seen that in ROF, Red Baron, or any other flight sim. Presumably the next step should be to animate their execution for desertion in the face of the enemy.
GrislyAccord Posted December 30, 2019 Author Posted December 30, 2019 Thanks for the replies. I appreciate it. I was about to buy it...but then @J5_Baeumer made such a great argument against. He's right, you know. I paid $60 for the RoF CD all those years ago, and now people can play it for FREE! What a chump I was! Well, I'm not about to make the same mistake again! It's not the money I'm concerned with, so much as the value. It's hard to justify yet another $80 flight sim purchase...when I've already got a sim in RoF that gives me pretty much the same experience as FC, except with far fewer planes and maps, and no built-in career mode. I fired up RoF last night, got into an MP match and had a pleasant bunch of duels with a fella in there and it was a lot of fun, even though I lost every engagement except one. (Got my first online kill since the original Il-2 days. Huzzah.) For now, I'll just stick with RoF for all of my WWI aviation needs. How many sims can one guy own, after all? Besides, the DCS: I-16 looks suh-wheet! And it's on sale!
JGr2/J5_Baeumer Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, J5_Klugermann said: What a chump I was! Well, I'm not about to make the same mistake again! Good for you! You are an ace already! Edited December 30, 2019 by J5_Baeumer
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